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Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
June 13 2013 00:26 GMT
#61681
GD and SQ, SA, aka the Ask Yango Anything threads

and thank god for quicker razes, if they bring DotA's animations over everything would be perfect
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Teton
Profile Joined May 2010
France1656 Posts
June 13 2013 01:07 GMT
#61682
On June 13 2013 09:26 DoNotDisturb wrote:
GD and SQ, SA, aka the Ask Yango Anything threads

and thank god for quicker razes, if they bring DotA's animations over everything would be perfect


fuck yeah private stancel <3

LSF
Profile Joined April 2012
469 Posts
June 13 2013 01:13 GMT
#61683
On June 13 2013 08:58 TheYango wrote:
It's downloading all the audio tracks for the commentary. If the game had 3 active broadcaster channels, you're downloading 3 audio tracks for the entire game.

I'm pretty sure the audio is a LOT more data than the replays themselves.

Hopefully Valve has some ideas for only downloading selected audio because I think it's rare that people will listen to commentary in every language.


Well, I just downloaded another replay from the Raidcall series (Navi vs VP game 2, pretty epic btw) and the replay file is approx. 100meg. This one took even longer to download, nearly 10 minutes. With a 50mbit connection this should take more like 20-30 seconds.
My guess would be that they're just not allocating enough server bandwith to downloading replays.
(unless the audio tracks are a) seperate files stored in a different location and b) huge)
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
June 13 2013 02:00 GMT
#61684
Not a big fan of the new puck. Didn't much like the old one either, though, which is a shame because I love the hero itself.

Please stop calling quickcast "smartcast", smartcast is a totally different thing.

I have never understood why dota uses approximately 9000 times more bandwidth than sc2. It's really frustrating for those of us who live in countries with useless internet and actually care about download limits. I can play sc2 smoothly on 64kbps ffs.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
June 13 2013 02:09 GMT
#61685
dota 2s such a fat hog
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
June 13 2013 03:09 GMT
#61686
On June 13 2013 08:19 FinestHour wrote:
dead game

also smartcast isnt actually that useful in dota with cast animations and turn rates while lol has neither

Inb4 people whining about how magmus can smartcast blinkdagger and smartcast pulling teams in 0.1second.


Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
June 13 2013 03:20 GMT
#61687
On June 13 2013 12:09 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 08:19 FinestHour wrote:
dead game

also smartcast isnt actually that useful in dota with cast animations and turn rates while lol has neither

Inb4 people whining about how magmus can smartcast blinkdagger and smartcast pulling teams in 0.1second.




Uhh, smartcast has absolutely no effect on blink rp. You blink maybe .1 second faster but it reduces your accuracy by a shitload. RP is instant once you hit r anyways, there's no second click.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 03:21:20
June 13 2013 03:20 GMT
#61688
On June 13 2013 12:20 Infernal_dream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 12:09 canikizu wrote:
On June 13 2013 08:19 FinestHour wrote:
dead game

also smartcast isnt actually that useful in dota with cast animations and turn rates while lol has neither

Inb4 people whining about how magmus can smartcast blinkdagger and smartcast pulling teams in 0.1second.




Uhh, smartcast has absolutely no effect on blink rp. You blink maybe .1 second faster but it reduces your accuracy by a shitload. RP is instant once you hit r anyways, there's no second click.


hes talking about blink skewering people which indeed is going to be extremely interesting with smart/lol/quick/cast whatever its called
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 13 2013 03:27 GMT
#61689
Except the limiting factor on that is still how you account for the Skewer cast animation and turning time when you aim the Skewer, not how fast you click. It will have a slight impact due to Blink being instant, but still very little of what actually makes Blink-Skewering hard is made easier.
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Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
June 13 2013 03:27 GMT
#61690
On June 13 2013 12:20 FinestHour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 12:20 Infernal_dream wrote:
On June 13 2013 12:09 canikizu wrote:
On June 13 2013 08:19 FinestHour wrote:
dead game

also smartcast isnt actually that useful in dota with cast animations and turn rates while lol has neither

Inb4 people whining about how magmus can smartcast blinkdagger and smartcast pulling teams in 0.1second.




Uhh, smartcast has absolutely no effect on blink rp. You blink maybe .1 second faster but it reduces your accuracy by a shitload. RP is instant once you hit r anyways, there's no second click.


hes talking about blink skewering people which indeed is going to be extremely interesting with smart/lol/quick/cast whatever its called


I forsee a lot of people fucking that up with smart cast to be honest. They blink and skewer in the wrong direction because they spam it too fast.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
June 13 2013 03:29 GMT
#61691
On June 13 2013 12:27 TheYango wrote:
Except the limiting factor on that is still how you account for the Skewer cast animation and turning time when you aim the Skewer, not how fast you click. It will have a slight impact due to Blink being instant, but still very little of what actually makes Blink-Skewering hard is made easier.

not to mention you still have to move the mouse to where you want to skewer toward.
yyfpulls
Profile Joined November 2012
United States2185 Posts
June 13 2013 04:31 GMT
#61692
On June 13 2013 08:11 NB wrote:
with the current WCS treatment blizzard did to GOM plus the endorsement of World of Tank, no doubt in my mind GOM gona switch platform into team games soon. Tastetorsist were doing a dual stream world of tank this morning. Notice it was multiplayer and tasteless has NEVER streaming himself playing a multiplayer game.


What do you mean by WCS treatment? Wasn't it mostly positive I haven't followed sc2 lately
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 13 2013 05:30 GMT
#61693
On June 13 2013 13:31 yyfpulls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 08:11 NB wrote:
with the current WCS treatment blizzard did to GOM plus the endorsement of World of Tank, no doubt in my mind GOM gona switch platform into team games soon. Tastetorsist were doing a dual stream world of tank this morning. Notice it was multiplayer and tasteless has NEVER streaming himself playing a multiplayer game.


What do you mean by WCS treatment? Wasn't it mostly positive I haven't followed sc2 lately



Blizzard is pretty much backing OGN for the TV exposure now instead of GOM.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 07:44:41
June 13 2013 07:41 GMT
#61694
On June 13 2013 14:30 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 13:31 yyfpulls wrote:
On June 13 2013 08:11 NB wrote:
with the current WCS treatment blizzard did to GOM plus the endorsement of World of Tank, no doubt in my mind GOM gona switch platform into team games soon. Tastetorsist were doing a dual stream world of tank this morning. Notice it was multiplayer and tasteless has NEVER streaming himself playing a multiplayer game.


What do you mean by WCS treatment? Wasn't it mostly positive I haven't followed sc2 lately

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hI5vLdcPA


Blizzard is pretty much backing OGN for the TV exposure now instead of GOM.


IMO not surprising. OGN is on TV, good production while GOM isn't on TV but does have good production. OGN level production? I don't know.

If you want people to watch your game, the obvious choice is OGN in Korea.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 13 2013 08:32 GMT
#61695
On June 13 2013 16:41 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 14:30 NB wrote:
On June 13 2013 13:31 yyfpulls wrote:
On June 13 2013 08:11 NB wrote:
with the current WCS treatment blizzard did to GOM plus the endorsement of World of Tank, no doubt in my mind GOM gona switch platform into team games soon. Tastetorsist were doing a dual stream world of tank this morning. Notice it was multiplayer and tasteless has NEVER streaming himself playing a multiplayer game.


What do you mean by WCS treatment? Wasn't it mostly positive I haven't followed sc2 lately

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hI5vLdcPA


Blizzard is pretty much backing OGN for the TV exposure now instead of GOM.


IMO not surprising. OGN is on TV, good production while GOM isn't on TV but does have good production. OGN level production? I don't know.

If you want people to watch your game, the obvious choice is OGN in Korea.

there are up and down side. GOM caters the world audience much better than OGN meanwhile OGN is much more loved in Korea. Obviously the big target overall is still the world audience and GSL title worth much more world wide compare to OSL/MSL right now, the decision of blizzard to backing OGN instead of GOM do no good but harm the pro scene overall. If GOM end up dropping sc2 completely one day, ESF will die with them and everything will go back to Kespa format, the global view into the Korean scene will also be hurt.

tbh, i think picking up world of tank and DotA2 is incredibly smart move from GOM. It put pressure back on Blizzard on their value plus giving them good back up plan. GOM has always been the one that pick up new contents first in the Korean scene so we will see how this turn out compare to LoL on OGN.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
fleeze
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany895 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 08:42:11
June 13 2013 08:41 GMT
#61696
On June 13 2013 17:32 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 16:41 Grettin wrote:
On June 13 2013 14:30 NB wrote:
On June 13 2013 13:31 yyfpulls wrote:
On June 13 2013 08:11 NB wrote:
with the current WCS treatment blizzard did to GOM plus the endorsement of World of Tank, no doubt in my mind GOM gona switch platform into team games soon. Tastetorsist were doing a dual stream world of tank this morning. Notice it was multiplayer and tasteless has NEVER streaming himself playing a multiplayer game.


What do you mean by WCS treatment? Wasn't it mostly positive I haven't followed sc2 lately

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hI5vLdcPA


Blizzard is pretty much backing OGN for the TV exposure now instead of GOM.


IMO not surprising. OGN is on TV, good production while GOM isn't on TV but does have good production. OGN level production? I don't know.

If you want people to watch your game, the obvious choice is OGN in Korea.

there are up and down side. GOM caters the world audience much better than OGN meanwhile OGN is much more loved in Korea. Obviously the big target overall is still the world audience and GSL title worth much more world wide compare to OSL/MSL right now, the decision of blizzard to backing OGN instead of GOM do no good but harm the pro scene overall. If GOM end up dropping sc2 completely one day, ESF will die with them and everything will go back to Kespa format, the global view into the Korean scene will also be hurt.

tbh, i think picking up world of tank and DotA2 is incredibly smart move from GOM. It put pressure back on Blizzard on their value plus giving them good back up plan. GOM has always been the one that pick up new contents first in the Korean scene so we will see how this turn out compare to LoL on OGN.

Dota2 on GOM would be great. especially if they bring known english casters to korea like in sc2.

I don't think OGN could host a Dota 2 tournament anyway if they want to continue with LoL given the history of tencent and their exclusivity deals.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 08:53:56
June 13 2013 08:43 GMT
#61697
Yeah, i do agree with you. GOM picking up Dota2 and WoL is definitely a smart move. But the big question is, is it better for Koreans and "Korean scene" to have it on GOM or OGN? It should be obvious that growing the scene and making it known in Korea is the main goal right now. If international fans will watch, it's just a plus. Thats why i brought up the TV aspect of it, because i think OGN is the one that is better for Korean audience/market when it comes to bringing exposure.

Of course, GOM has done excellent and even better job overall (for international and Korean fans) and i'm sure they would take International viewership into consideration. Bringing in known casters (or English casters at least) as Fleeze above did mention.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Alexc26
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom222 Posts
June 13 2013 08:45 GMT
#61698
I think the new Puck looks much better than the old one, prior to the update I didn't really think Puck needed a change, but I'm happy they did.

Don't think I'll use the Quick Cast option, although It's nice it's there for people who do want to use it.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 13 2013 08:55 GMT
#61699
Man, i wish there is someone casting these CDEC games in english, the game quality is generally pretty high with some creative pick.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
yyfpulls
Profile Joined November 2012
United States2185 Posts
June 13 2013 08:56 GMT
#61700
Ok no wonder GOM with Tastosis had like less than half viewers than OGN even when Doa was casting. That's pretty shitty of Blizz to fuck over GOM like that.
I don't know how Riot's LCS works but damn their All star game had the most amazing stage it was like Hollywood style.
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