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Fwizzz
Philippines4420 Posts
On June 08 2013 13:21 igotmyown wrote: Is it worth talking about the role of a hero that isn't in cm and likely will be changed quite a bit before he returns to cm? It will just make me miss Terrorblade. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 08 2013 13:32 Comeh wrote: To me, it seems like he is too vulnerable of being chain stunned once he is half HP and focused with whatever physical damage exists (IE a lifestealer or whatever). I think its worthy of considering it situational based on lineups. so if you have aghanims you should be able to dodge some/most stuns. if they are blowing all their on you, and DON'T kill you within that stun duration (due to inner vitality or whatever) you can mek up, ghost scepter and keep going. all while your team is doing their spells/attacks. unless they have physical/pure spells then evasion + inner vitality can easily keep you alive 4-5 seconds against a lifestealer. and if they don't stack you with stuns, you kill the big teamfight heroes and win the fight because the mag/chen/ect is unable to cast their spells. | ||
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yyfpulls
United States2185 Posts
On June 08 2013 12:40 Shaella wrote: armlet is easily the best item in the game for any str hero. It gives extra health, gives great raw damage, gives attackspeed, gives armor. I don't see why you wouldn't get it. I'm convinced you live longer with ghost scepter over armlet. You literally can't die during the 4 secs of ghost form and that's 4 more seconds of chucking op as fuck burning spears at 200IAS. If you go aghs after its like 2 more ults probably. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
also xizor, have you actually tried aghs? because it's not very strong in teamfights, nor is it a strong item in general have you tried dodging stuns with it? it's the same as dodging stuns on storm except it has a cd, so it's not exactly something you can count on and how exactly are you going to kill "the big teamfight heroes" if they position themselves properly? | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 08 2013 13:59 Dead9 wrote: razor puts out a lot of his damage via his skills and can avoid a lot of damage by kiting around. huskar generally leaps into the middle of a teamfight and autoattacks until things die. i think huskar is more comparable to ta than razor also xizor, have you actually tried aghs? because it's not very strong in teamfights, nor is it a strong item in general have you tried dodging stuns with it? it's the same as dodging stuns on storm except it has a cd, so it's not exactly something you can count on and how exactly are you going to kill "the big teamfight heroes" if they position themselves properly? 10 damage, 10 IAS, 1.3 armor, 2 extra casting of vitality, 390 hp, ability to dodge any spell every 4 seconds and perma slow any hero as well as deal massive damage for decreasing cost as the fight goes on? its really good. its the same as dodging stuns on storm, except it costs next to nothing and has a cooldown in tradeoff. old huskar did that, new huskar jumps in becomes a threat, weathers a storm, jumps again, ghost scepters meks and does damage, jumps again does damage where he needs to re applies inner vitality to someone who needs it, attacks for a few seconds and jumps again to finish it. yeah i've tried aghs, it makes new huskar impossible to deal with, unless someone is dumb enough to go aghs after building pure damage items "Positioned properly" so that they can't be reached by huskar would imply that they are over 950 units from the nearest ally. or around 2k units out of the fight. i can deal with them being that far out, and biding my time for them to try to approach closer. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10666 Posts
I am posting this cause Korok is doing some crazy Armlet Morphling build. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On June 08 2013 14:19 PrinceXizor wrote: 10 damage, 10 IAS, 1.3 armor, 2 extra casting of vitality, 390 hp, ability to dodge any spell every 4 seconds and perma slow any hero as well as deal massive damage for decreasing cost as the fight goes on? its really good. its the same as dodging stuns on storm, except it costs next to nothing and has a cooldown in tradeoff. old huskar did that, new huskar jumps in becomes a threat, weathers a storm, jumps again, ghost scepters meks and does damage, jumps again does damage where he needs to re applies inner vitality to someone who needs it, attacks for a few seconds and jumps again to finish it. yeah i've tried aghs, it makes new huskar impossible to deal with, unless someone is dumb enough to go aghs after building pure damage items "Positioned properly" so that they can't be reached by huskar would imply that they are over 950 units from the nearest ally. or around 2k units out of the fight. i can deal with them being that far out, and biding my time for them to try to approach closer. so your teamfights last 30 seconds somehow? you should probably try to avoid exaggerating and making baseless assumptions anyways this is a waste of time. i'll challenge you to a 1v1 grudgematch since you have no idea what you're talking about | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 08 2013 14:29 Dead9 wrote: so your teamfights last 30 seconds somehow? you should probably try to avoid exaggerating and making baseless assumptions anyways this is a waste of time. i'll challenge you to a 1v1 grudgematch since you have no idea what you're talking about Let's 1v1, to prove that team huskar is more of a utility teamfight carry now.. ohwaitwat. also including the last jump which may or may not even be needed, thats only 20 seconds. Are you somehow having every teamfight last less than 16 seconds? I'm more interested in how you are saying that new huskar somehow does more damage with straight damage than his spells, and aghs ghost scepter huskar somehow isn't good at avoiding trouble. Huskar does 140 per burning spear and 65% current hp with his ultimate, which comes off cooldown every 4 seconds with aghs. fighting a 1000 enemy (somehow) he does 650+(140+Damage)#ofattacks. in order for his damage to overcome that 140 from burning spears at level 16 he needs 80 damage, which is relatively easy to get, but then the difference of (Total damage - 140)#numberofattacks has to be > 650 so for having 120ish bonus damage at level 16 (armlet + phase + demon edge) he has to attack 17 times. but by the time he attack 17 times, his burning spears and ulti would have killed the target 14 attacks ago. if we ramp this up to attacking a target with 10000 hp, then his ulti does 6500 damage, and you'd need 170 attacks, which again takes too long. on enemies of less than 500 hp you still lose out to his spell damage. there is no value of an opponents HP in which damage will outscale his abiltiy damage. within a reasonable amount of damage (a divine huskar would outdeal his abilities for instance, if you rushed divine instead of ghost scepter aghs. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
i'll play up to 10 games, if you can win 2 of them i'll concede that i was wrong and awful at dota well when you said "re applies inner vitality" i assume you meant that it came off cooldown and you used it again rofl edit: also if i lose i'll give you your choice of 10 non-mythical/legendary/immortal/taunt items from my inventory | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On June 08 2013 14:21 icystorage wrote: korok playing armlet-toggling morphling holy shit. so fucking imba. I missed it, what did he do? any vod link exact time? :D | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 08 2013 14:43 Alur wrote: Xizor you have nothing to lose, don't dodge this. but maths prove him wrong. why do i need to load up dota 2. lol. On June 08 2013 14:46 NB wrote: I think Valve just gave me 10 dota invites in 1 day... happened to me like a month ago. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
i actually want one thing: rights to your sig for a week you can rights to my sig for a month if you win | ||
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Witten
United States2094 Posts
On June 08 2013 14:47 PrinceXizor wrote: but maths prove him wrong. why do i need to load up dota 2. lol. happened to me like a month ago. It's like betting, only if you lose you don't lose anything except street cred and your sig for a week, but if you win you get 10 rares and his sig for a month. Set up a date and a time, I will cast and provide "expert" insight. This community needs this grudge match. Ain't you a man? | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 08 2013 14:50 Witten wrote: It's like betting, only if you lose you don't lose anything except street cred and your sig for a week, but if you win you get 10 rares and his sig for a month. Set up a date and a time, I will cast and provide "expert" insight. This community needs this grudge match. Ain't you a man? but i don't know who he even is? | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 08 2013 14:52 SKC wrote: he is Dead9 touche. | ||
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