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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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tauon
Australia1278 Posts
On May 31 2013 13:34 hunts wrote: I'm curious, is carry tiny something that's actually legit, or just like a one time miracle from TI2? I've been having a lot of fun going mid tiny and building to carry, especially lothars tiny, but keep having people bitch at me that tiny isn't a legit carry, also haven't seen him in any pro games since that one TI2 game that he carried in and beat the morph. Tiny is a legit carry and EHome played him sucessfully many games at TI2 (although beating Mushi's morphling in EHome vs Orange probably had more to do with Mushi's mistakes). More recently, I've seen teams like Dignitas play a carry Tiny. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On May 31 2013 13:34 hunts wrote: I'm curious, is carry tiny something that's actually legit, or just like a one time miracle from TI2? I've been having a lot of fun going mid tiny and building to carry, especially lothars tiny, but keep having people bitch at me that tiny isn't a legit carry, also haven't seen him in any pro games since that one TI2 game that he carried in and beat the morph. Its legit - the problem is getting him there. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On May 31 2013 14:01 TheYango wrote: The thing to remember about Tiny is that the choice between "ganker Tiny" and "carry Tiny" isn't a binary decision as many players make it out to be, but a much more granular division that should be re-evaluated at each stage of your item progression. Arcanes->Blink does not prevent you from transitioning into Agha/AC physical damage lategame items, and Phase->Drums does not mean it wouldn't be appropriate to follow up with more supportive items like Force Staff or Sheepstick. You have to make a judgment of your role and items at every step and that will often mean that your role will evolve differently throughout the game. Or you know, if you feel safe you can just go straight up aghs, increase your farm like whoa, and carry. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
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w.s
Sweden850 Posts
On May 31 2013 13:34 hunts wrote: I'm curious, is carry tiny something that's actually legit, or just like a one time miracle from TI2? I've been having a lot of fun going mid tiny and building to carry, especially lothars tiny, but keep having people bitch at me that tiny isn't a legit carry, also haven't seen him in any pro games since that one TI2 game that he carried in and beat the morph. Ask aui_2000.. On a serious note I think tiny is one of the best late game carries in the game right now.. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On May 31 2013 14:40 teapoted wrote: Luminous is apparently doing his change-log analysis with Fluff this time around. well i'm interested in fluff. not really lumi, i value his opinion on dota balance like i value tobi's. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On May 31 2013 14:44 PrinceXizor wrote: He's been doing them for a long time and quite frankly has a more realistic view of the effect of changes than someone like Puppey. And especially in comparison to the other patch analysis that's out there from bruno/cyborg/pyrion/purge/whatever.well i'm interested in fluff. not really lumi, i value his opinion on dota balance like i value tobi's. But hey, given your obsessive need to hate on Lumi I take it you've never actually listened to one so what you think about it isn't all that interesting. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On May 31 2013 14:01 TheYango wrote: The thing to remember about Tiny is that the choice between "ganker Tiny" and "carry Tiny" isn't a binary decision as many players make it out to be, but a much more granular division that should be re-evaluated at each stage of your item progression. Arcanes->Blink does not prevent you from transitioning into Agha/AC physical damage lategame items, and Phase->Drums does not mean it wouldn't be appropriate to follow up with more supportive items like Force Staff or Sheepstick. You have to make a judgment of your role and items at every step and that will often mean that your role will evolve differently throughout the game. I just think of getting agh on tiny as AM getting his Bfury. Blink tiny have never work out in any of the game i play. | ||
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Yurie
12163 Posts
So instead of a team being named: Random NB Yurie teapoted PrinceXizor It would be called: Blue Teal Purple Yellow Orange Would perhaps show how much is based on pre-conceived notions from the nickname. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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PromisE
Philippines151 Posts
On May 31 2013 14:40 teapoted wrote: Luminous is apparently doing his change-log analysis with Fluff this time around. Good. At least we have someone with credibility doing these things. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On May 31 2013 16:09 hunts wrote: On the note of tiny, what items would you get before aghs on him if you want to build towards carry, and is lothars actually good or just good for trolling around? I've been going with bottle, drums, phase, lothars, aghs, then ac and crit. If you're 1st position (i.e. you really need to carry hard) then I would just do the aui2000 build and go straight treads aghs and farm 2-3 big items really fast. When I go shadowblade I usually skip drums because it delays your invis ganking by too much (you don't really need the extra movespeed due to phase and shadowblade and while the stats are nice, they're by no means necessary for pulling off invis ganks). So that would be bottle phase lothars aghs. http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1a5rtx/yasha_vs_hyperstone_on_tiny/c8ufdex Here's aui2k's take on AC vs manta and why AC is bad compared to other possible lategame carry items. Personally I prefer going hyperstone->daedalus->mjollnir->bfly if I just need damage and manta->bfly->daedalus if I need more survivability. A more standard safelane tiny (assuming you're not doing the treads->aghs->farm thing) might be phase/treads -> drums -> yasha -> aghs -> daedalus/manta/ac/bfly/mjollnir. EDIT** this kind of question is what the simple questions simple answers thread is for!  | ||
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run.at.me
Australia550 Posts
On May 31 2013 16:09 hunts wrote: On the note of tiny, what items would you get before aghs on him if you want to build towards carry, and is lothars actually good or just good for trolling around? I've been going with bottle, drums, phase, lothars, aghs, then ac and crit. I personally skip the lothars and go straight into aghs, then yasha, into AC, into manta (can be situational, so can the AC tho). Generally speaking you want the yasha and hyper stone as they will boost your dps enormously for the cost. Even though I wouldn't prioritize blink on carry tiny, as the game progresses, I really feel it can be a major boost to your mobility (again, situational, you might not need it) Edit, you might also need bkb, just like other carries, so don't ignore it | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On May 31 2013 16:25 run.at.me wrote: I personally skip the lothars and go straight into aghs, then yasha, into AC, into manta (can be situational, so can the AC tho). Generally speaking you want the yasha and hyper stone as they will boost your dps enormously for the cost. Even though I wouldn't prioritize blink on carry tiny, as the game progresses, I really feel it can be a major boost to your mobility (again, situational, you might not need it) Edit, you might also need bkb, just like other carries, so don't ignore it By giving up the fast yasha or shadowblade and rushing straight to aghs you sacrifice a lot of midgame ganking power which is especially important if you're playing mid. Safelane tiny, sure go aui2k and treads aghs farm farm farm it up. If you need a midgame presence then the lothars is really great since it provides relevant carry stats while serving a similar purpose to blink. Of course, you can still transition from an arcanes/blink tiny into carry tiny if the ganking goes well. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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RuskiPanda
United States2906 Posts
On May 31 2013 15:31 Yurie wrote: Would be interesting if Valve removed player names and disabled the links allowing you to look up a player for a week or two in MM. So instead of a team being named: Random NB Yurie teapoted PrinceXizor It would be called: Blue Teal Purple Yellow Orange Would perhaps show how much is based on pre-conceived notions from the nickname. I think the only thing that would solve is people pregame dodging pro/well-known player pub stacks. | ||
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