EPTIf they are AFK their accumulated gold will eventually be distributed to their allies(5 minutes with no exp gain IIRC), but you can not sell their items unless they leave. If someone abandons you can sell their stuff and get their gold a lot faster.
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
If they are AFK their accumulated gold will eventually be distributed to their allies(5 minutes with no exp gain IIRC), but you can not sell their items unless they leave. If someone abandons you can sell their stuff and get their gold a lot faster. | ||
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beef42
Denmark1037 Posts
On May 31 2013 02:58 Kipsate wrote: Qualifiers are nice for up and coming teams but im not going to watch stomps or games between tier c teams. Well, you should. For the good of esports. Tournament organizers need viewers so they can rationalize their cost to their sponsors. Meanwhile players need to produce results to rationalize their costs to their sponsors. For this reason they run all these invite tournies with big name teams that are sure to suck in the viewers, and established players love it since they don't need to play all this boring stompy games vs Joe Random's stack. If you have too many invite tournaments, we get all these complacent as fuck teams that actually play some bleh dota (na'vi, EG, I'm sure you know names) but somehow manage to stay in the scene all on their name, without actually producing remarkable results. Moreover, we make it extremely difficult for unknown teams to break into the scene. These two factors contribute to a decreasing level of play, as teams get too comfortable, knowing they'll just get invited next time, and always playing against the same known opponents. If you, the viewer, would watch a shitty B-team get destroyed once in a while, we might be able to nudge the organizers into having more qualifiers, which would get more people on the scene. Remember, for the shitty B-team, just the priviliege of getting their arse kicked on stream is a big deal for these guys. They're just struggling to become "known." end naive idealistic hippie rant | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Netherlands12045 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On May 31 2013 04:10 Torte de Lini wrote: Is S&Y now pretty good for people like Bloodseeker or...? I don't think a minor change in stats will really change anything about the item, it should still be good on the heroes it used to be good on. | ||
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Yurie
12163 Posts
On May 31 2013 04:09 beef42 wrote: Remember, for the shitty B-team, just the priviliege of getting their arse kicked on stream is a big deal for these guys. They're just struggling to become "known." It is an even bigger deal for the C level teams that never get the opportunity to play against them normally. They will lose but some of the "best" memories of playing CM is getting stomped by the top tier teams with a decent amount of spectators. That is part of what makes them keep playing seriously when they in reality can never get to a level where they win money. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On May 31 2013 04:14 Torte de Lini wrote: Who did it used to be good on still? Racecar builds. Naix is the best example. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On May 31 2013 04:14 Torte de Lini wrote: Who did it used to be good on still? Racecar builds in general I guess. Naix was the most common one for sure. I think I even saw Gyro's get it in pro games for some reason, even though I wouldn't advise that. I don't think it's core on anyone, it's just a decent item if you need the mobility and don't want Manta. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On May 31 2013 04:16 SKC wrote: Racecar builds in general I guess. Naix was the most common one for sure. I think I even saw Gyro's get it in pro games for some reason, even though I would advise that. I don't think it's core on anyone, it's just a decent item if you need the mobility and don't want Manta. Loda ^_^ | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
I think Hvost also built it to kite a Lycan in some game. It's hard to take Navi games seriously though. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On May 31 2013 04:21 SKC wrote: I think Hvost also built it to kite a Lycan in some game. It's hard to take Navi games seriously though. I don't think I watched that Hvost game. I just remember Loda building it and everybody in the LR thread berating him for such a shitty item pickup. On May 31 2013 04:21 Slardar wrote: Now this is an odd as hell niche thing, but for some reason I really like going full racecar with Bounty Hunter. Treads+Drums+SnY/BKB then split SnY and make Heavens Halberd and eventually Manta or just never. Shouldn't you be at the movespeed cap with just drum Yasha and track? | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On May 31 2013 04:09 beef42 wrote: Well, you should. For the good of esports. Tournament organizers need viewers so they can rationalize their cost to their sponsors. Meanwhile players need to produce results to rationalize their costs to their sponsors. For this reason they run all these invite tournies with big name teams that are sure to suck in the viewers, and established players love it since they don't need to play all this boring stompy games vs Joe Random's stack. If you have too many invite tournaments, we get all these complacent as fuck teams that actually play some bleh dota (na'vi, EG, I'm sure you know names) but somehow manage to stay in the scene all on their name, without actually producing remarkable results. Moreover, we make it extremely difficult for unknown teams to break into the scene. These two factors contribute to a decreasing level of play, as teams get too comfortable, knowing they'll just get invited next time, and always playing against the same known opponents. If you, the viewer, would watch a shitty B-team get destroyed once in a while, we might be able to nudge the organizers into having more qualifiers, which would get more people on the scene. Remember, for the shitty B-team, just the priviliege of getting their arse kicked on stream is a big deal for these guys. They're just struggling to become "known." end naive idealistic hippie rant That will never work. You can't force demand for something that there simply isn't demand for. It's not healthy for the scene at all, and will lead to there being an excess of supply for games that no one actually wants to watch with the idea that it will somehow help "esports" | ||
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beef42
Denmark1037 Posts
Shit for all I care, you can just put the stream on and go AFK - the ad money guy doesn't know if you're there or not. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On May 31 2013 04:31 beef42 wrote: So what you're saying is that lowtier teams can go fuck themselves, your precious viewing time can under no circumstances be wasted on them. Shit for all I care, you can just put the stream on and go AFK - the ad money guy doesn't know if you're there or not. Thats like saying you should go to shitty restaurants that no one likes, because even if it has no demand we shouldn't leave them to "fuck themselves". It's pretty basic supply and demand mate. | ||
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beef42
Denmark1037 Posts
Anyway you're of course free to watch whatever the fuck you want, all I'm saying is that qualifier tournaments are good for the scene and the community should support them the only way we can, by watching them. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 31 2013 04:37 Zealos wrote: Thats like saying you should go to shitty restaurants that no one likes, because even if it has no demand we shouldn't leave them to "fuck themselves". It's pretty basic supply and demand mate. Don't use terrible analogies to try prove a point. It only inhibits real discussion on the point. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On May 31 2013 04:41 beef42 wrote: No it's not. That comparison doesn't make sense. This is a sporting event and new blood is needed for the reasons I outlined in my first post. Anyway you're of course free to watch whatever the fuck you want, all I'm saying is that qualifier tournaments are good for the scene and the community should support them the only way we can, by watching them. If new blood is needed then it will come. There is no point making it seem like there is demand for something when there simply isn't, because eventually people will get bored watching qualifiers they aren't interested in, and anything invested in making the qualifiers good (The investment due to people "Watching" it in the first place) will be wasted. | ||
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