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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
May 30 2013 16:18 GMT
#59161
But people can easily know there's a big match starting soon and would rather watch that than the start of a worse match. Either ways it just shows there's always a bigger profile match they will be able to see during the day, so they don't really pay attention to the Defense group stages.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 16:22:44
May 30 2013 16:20 GMT
#59162
VP vs best.KZ is clearly the better match to Na'Vi vs Fnatic.

Anyway, I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'm getting the feeling that Tobi isn't as big of a personal draw and the production gap is hurting. I'll bring graphs next time.
Once you Goblak...
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 30 2013 16:24 GMT
#59163
On May 31 2013 01:20 teapoted wrote:
VP vs best.KZ is clearly the better match to Na'Vi vs Fnatic.

Anyway, I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'm getting the feeling that Tobi isn't as big of a personal draw and the production gap is hurting. I'll bring graphs next time.

Fnatic and navi have some of the biggest fan bases in the West.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
May 30 2013 16:25 GMT
#59164
It's clearly not true that people would rather watch Next.kz vs VP than Navi vs Fnatic
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 16:43:09
May 30 2013 16:25 GMT
#59165
On May 31 2013 01:24 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 01:20 teapoted wrote:
VP vs best.KZ is clearly the better match to Na'Vi vs Fnatic.

Anyway, I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'm getting the feeling that Tobi isn't as big of a personal draw and the production gap is hurting. I'll bring graphs next time.

Fnatic and navi have some of the biggest fan bases in the West.
I would have never guessed. Do I need to use some sort of special punctuation for you guys?
Once you Goblak...
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
May 30 2013 16:26 GMT
#59166
Guys, jesus
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 30 2013 16:32 GMT
#59167
Oof, I had to update all my guides due to this patch.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
May 30 2013 16:37 GMT
#59168
I love the new patch so much, i can't wait to see what kind of dota we'll have by the time of TI3.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
May 30 2013 16:48 GMT
#59169
Is tobi still doing that show with puppy and synderen?
the patch shows were always pretty funny
Cackle™
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 16:52:31
May 30 2013 16:51 GMT
#59170
No they won't be doing a patch show, Tobi confirmed on twitter.

The Luminous patch analysis has always been my favorite.
Once you Goblak...
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
May 30 2013 16:55 GMT
#59171
Apparently it's not happening
Religion: Buckethead
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 17:24:36
May 30 2013 17:23 GMT
#59172
Tobi isn't neccesarily getting worse, his competition is getting better. Moreover we are reaching more of a stage in the game where people are fans of teams rather then casters(even more so then before). More people will watch Sheever(No offense but you know what I mean by this I suppose) if she is casting the relevant match between like navi and alliance then tobi, Casters are less of a draw, teams become more the draw.

With SL I can see TD getting superior numbers if its the same unknown teams but I don't see it happening to D2l because the teams in D2l are simply of a much higher average skill and it is being played in a bo3 format.(yes I know the stream quality sucks)
WriterXiao8~~
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 17:44:12
May 30 2013 17:41 GMT
#59173
On May 31 2013 02:23 Kipsate wrote:
Tobi isn't neccesarily getting worse, his competition is getting better. Moreover we are reaching more of a stage in the game where people are fans of teams rather then casters(even more so then before). More people will watch Sheever(No offense but you know what I mean by this I suppose) if she is casting the relevant match between like navi and alliance then tobi, Casters are less of a draw, teams become more the draw.

With SL I can see TD getting superior numbers if its the same unknown teams but I don't see it happening to D2l because the teams in D2l are simply of a much higher average skill and it is being played in a bo3 format.(yes I know the stream quality sucks)
I don't think he's getting worse either, if anything I think he's getting better, but the personal draw is diminishing.

And without that Tobi draw what's jD? A bad news site with a bunch of generic and forgettable tournaments?
Once you Goblak...
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 30 2013 17:47 GMT
#59174
On May 31 2013 02:41 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 02:23 Kipsate wrote:
Tobi isn't neccesarily getting worse, his competition is getting better. Moreover we are reaching more of a stage in the game where people are fans of teams rather then casters(even more so then before). More people will watch Sheever(No offense but you know what I mean by this I suppose) if she is casting the relevant match between like navi and alliance then tobi, Casters are less of a draw, teams become more the draw.

With SL I can see TD getting superior numbers if its the same unknown teams but I don't see it happening to D2l because the teams in D2l are simply of a much higher average skill and it is being played in a bo3 format.(yes I know the stream quality sucks)
I don't think he's getting worse either, if anything I think he's getting better, but the personal draw is diminishing.

And without that Tobi draw what's jD? A bad news site with a bunch of generic and forgettable tournaments?

IMO, TD is the biggest online tournament that's run in the West that isn't related to The International or qualifiers to some Chinese tourney.
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
May 30 2013 17:54 GMT
#59175
On May 31 2013 02:47 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 02:41 teapoted wrote:
On May 31 2013 02:23 Kipsate wrote:
Tobi isn't neccesarily getting worse, his competition is getting better. Moreover we are reaching more of a stage in the game where people are fans of teams rather then casters(even more so then before). More people will watch Sheever(No offense but you know what I mean by this I suppose) if she is casting the relevant match between like navi and alliance then tobi, Casters are less of a draw, teams become more the draw.

With SL I can see TD getting superior numbers if its the same unknown teams but I don't see it happening to D2l because the teams in D2l are simply of a much higher average skill and it is being played in a bo3 format.(yes I know the stream quality sucks)
I don't think he's getting worse either, if anything I think he's getting better, but the personal draw is diminishing.

And without that Tobi draw what's jD? A bad news site with a bunch of generic and forgettable tournaments?

IMO, TD is the biggest online tournament that's run in the West that isn't related to The International or qualifiers to some Chinese tourney.


And the defense also has qualifiers which is a big plus in my book considering that most tournaments are invitational ( stupidest thing ever imho ).
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
May 30 2013 17:54 GMT
#59176
IMO all of these western online leagues end up with playoff brackets that look pretty similar and teams aren't going to play any better for TD prize pool than D2L or TPL or Weplay or RDL or Whatever. So none of them is significantly bigger than the others to me.
Once you Goblak...
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 30 2013 17:58 GMT
#59177
Qualifiers are nice for up and coming teams but im not going to watch stomps or games between tier c teams.
WriterXiao8~~
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 18:06:00
May 30 2013 18:01 GMT
#59178
Well The Defense has invited qualifiers anyway. I don't see the argument for 'qualifiers good, invites bad' if the qualifiers are invited.

You can have a qualifier without ending up like Defense where you get tons of stomps. You just have to get less teams. If you only have 1-2 amateur teams there's an actual story there. If there's like 8, then it's just annoying.
Once you Goblak...
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 18:45:56
May 30 2013 18:45 GMT
#59179
If you have enough invites that you get every team that has any chance of qualifying I don't think it's a big deal. The qualifiers are supposed to allow B level teams the chance of proving they can win against A level teams, if there is a C level team that believes they have a shot, there are smaller tournaments where he can prove he can win against B teams and make a name for himself.

Open qualifiers can be annoying to run and the rewards in a game like Dota are ussually very little when compared to the time and effort wasted.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 30 2013 19:07 GMT
#59180
When will the most obvious problems with this game be fixed? I'm in a game and I get half my team AFK, and half the other team abandon. So while their 3 heros make around 20000000 gold per second, we get 2 hero's sitting in spawn accumulating gold. Is this differentiation deliberate?
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