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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On May 13 2013 15:56 Gheizen64 wrote:All western teams look like they're worse than last year What what what? Only because the western scene doesn't have a long-time dominating team, it doesn't mean that the scene is looking weaker. I dare say this, I expect Fnatic to place top-6 this tournament if they play everything right. | ||
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Crissaegrim
2947 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On May 13 2013 16:23 WindWolf wrote: What what what? Only because the western scene doesn't have a long-time dominating team, it doesn't mean that the scene is looking weaker. I dare say this, I expect Fnatic to place top-6 this tournament if they play everything right. I expect Alliance in the semi-finals, they're playing out of their minds Liquid will place higher than people think too imo | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On May 13 2013 16:23 WindWolf wrote: What what what? Only because the western scene doesn't have a long-time dominating team, it doesn't mean that the scene is looking weaker. I dare say this, I expect Fnatic to place top-6 this tournament if they play everything right. That n0tail prophet still gives me nightmares. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 13 2013 16:31 Shaella wrote: I expect Alliance in the semi-finals, they're playing out of their minds Liquid will place higher than people think too imo I think Alliance can beat anyone except iG. *Can* but they really need to learn how to play Chinese style and conservative. Western dota right now is too pubby. If they can minimize mistakes they're definitely one of the top teams. Everyone else needs to get lucky. They don't have the skill to back it up even with conservative playstyles. | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On May 13 2013 16:36 Itsmedudeman wrote: I think Alliance can beat anyone except iG. *Can* but they really need to learn how to play Chinese style and conservative. Western dota right now is too pubby. If they can minimize mistakes they're definitely one of the top teams. Everyone else needs to get lucky. They don't have the skill to back it up even with conservative playstyles. I think na'vi has the individual skill, they just need more practice getting to a 1mind-level as a team | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 13 2013 16:33 r.Evo wrote: That n0tail prophet still gives me nightmares. Fnatic took 40 minutes to realize that n0tail's Prophet was supposed to be the 1st position carry in their lineup when a retired Chinese commentator had it figured out at picks (and was subsequently yelling at him the entire game about his item choices). W/E, can't complain about a Liquid win. | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
On May 13 2013 15:56 Gheizen64 wrote: Roles discussion aside, anyone feeling that this year international will be even more lopsided than last years' one? All western teams look like they're worse than last year, while eastern look stronger (LGD is the same team as last year and i'd put VG, Zenith and Orange above them this year). I feel this TI will be so lopsided i won't enjoy it as much as last year's one (and even that was basically salvaged by Na'vi making the most amazing comeback of their life). lets wait for g1-league before we give up on all the western teams. last year there was a lot of dead weight like darer, m5 or mtw in it as well as a non trained mouz. this year all 8 teams that are invited do very well and the skill difference between an alliance (strongest team right now) and the other invited teams are not that big. if nothing happens, the western lineup is stronger than last year i would say. if they closed the gap the eastern teams is unclear of course, but thats why we have g1-league soon  (next week?) | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On May 13 2013 16:36 Itsmedudeman wrote: I think Alliance can beat anyone except iG. *Can* but they really need to learn how to play Chinese style and conservative. Western dota right now is too pubby. If they can minimize mistakes they're definitely one of the top teams. Everyone else needs to get lucky. They don't have the skill to back it up even with conservative playstyles. I disagree Why would you play the Chinese style? All the chinese teams can play against the chinese style You may say that the western scene's dota style is too 'pubby', but i prefer to use the words versatile, experimental, aggressive, and unexpected And those values are just as important as being conservative, farming ect. If western teams try to play the Chinese style, they'll fail, they're not going to be able to beat the chinese at their own style because the chinese have been playing it for much longer. Western teams should play their own dota, with its outside of the box style, they'll be more effective. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
So far I haven't seen those results, I guess I'll be proven wrong when western teams take top #3 at TI3. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On May 13 2013 16:52 r.Evo wrote: No one cares about how "versatile" or "experimental" you are when you can't show the results to back it up. If those aren't there you are plain and simply bad in comparison to others who can do so. So far I haven't seen those results, I guess I'll be proven wrong when western teams take top #3 at TI3. ... Alliance hasn't produced results? Liquid hasn't? | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On May 13 2013 16:53 Shaella wrote: ... Alliance hasn't produced results? Liquid hasn't? You were just comparing "western" and "eastern" styles, in that context results against people from the same side so to speak are rather irrelevant. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On May 13 2013 16:53 Shaella wrote: ... Alliance hasn't produced results? Liquid hasn't? they are big fishes in a small pond it's like korea vs the rest of the world in stacraft,no one gives a shit that you are the best in NA because a korean B teamer will rape you any day 9/10 times. Until liquid and alliance meet asians at a lan it's kinda pointless to talk about how good they are fyi I want liquid to do good and wish them all the best but personally I think TI3 and G1 will be a disgusting beat down for every team from the west lol | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On May 13 2013 16:58 TheKefka wrote: they are big fishes in a small pond it's like korea vs the rest of the world in stacraft,no one gives a shit that you are the best in NA because a korean B teamer will rape you any day 9/10 times. Until liquid and alliance meet asians at a lan it's kinda pointless to talk about how good they are Well I suppose we'll see in two weeks then I think everyone underrates the western scene by a ton. -.- | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
On May 13 2013 17:00 Shaella wrote: Well I suppose we'll see in two weeks then I think everyone underrates the western scene by a ton. -.- ^ This. On May 13 2013 17:05 Laserist wrote: Western teams do mistakes, Chinese don't. Also western seems one level below of top SEA and chinese teams and even 2 level below of IG. Navi is definitely weaker now so I don't expect any solid results from western teams in TI3. Also Alliance and Liquid hype will end when solid Chinese play appears. Results probably will be IG> Chinese & SEA > West. I'd be surprised if any west team drags beyond quarter. Yeah totally. What a nice analysis. "Chinese teams don't make mistakes" plz... | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
On May 13 2013 17:04 EmilA wrote: Predictions on Empire v DD? Empire 59 % bets on the lounge. I've betted against them ever since their redraft, aren't these odds pretty obscure for a team consistently fucking everything up? havent seen DD yet but their new roster looks pretty good. Empire did not perform at all in the last few games i saw. (i think they lost every single game, but i dont think i watched all their games in the last 2 or 3 weeks) | ||
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