EPTOn February 26 2013 00:20 Erasme wrote:
tbf aa is super strong solo mid
its almost like him losing mid against a ta
tbf aa is super strong solo mid
its almost like him losing mid against a ta
seriously, who beats AA mid
hero is so good
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Klonere
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seriously, who beats AA mid hero is so good | ||
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crms
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I'm not saying SeleCT can't be a great dota professional, far from it. I just don't like the mechanics argument. | ||
TheEmulator
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On February 26 2013 02:24 crms wrote: I don't think SeleCTs mechanical skill in RTS means much of anything in a game like dota 2. Honestly, mechanics in dota2 aren't that high and are high levels are easily attainable (for most heroes). The factors that make you good on a professional level have less to do with mechanics and more to do with knowledge and teamwork. Someone who is used to competing in 1v1 games but has high mechanics might not necessarily be a 'shoe in' for an amazing player in a game entirely reliant on teamplay. I'm not saying SeleCT can't be a great dota professional, far from it. I just don't like the mechanics argument. Well, you're absolutely right, but I wasn't trying to argue his mechanics would make him good enough to go pro or anything, even though it may have sounded like that. I was just giving one example of some of his natural talents that set him apart from the average page 1-5 player, and which makes him improve at a faster rate than most. He will need decision making, and teamwork to be pro level, however, I feel like he has those skills, just needs to adapt them to DotA. On another note, mechanics do matter quite a bit, and someone with his skill will definitely be more consistent with things like last hitting, skill shotting, etc. Although it isn't the most important factor, but to say it doesn't mean much of anything isn't correct imo. | ||
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PassiveAce
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 , does anyone have it linked or know where it is? | ||
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Vaelone
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Searched tower and boom. | ||
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TheEmulator
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On February 26 2013 02:50 Klonere wrote: does anyone know of any guides for last hitting under tower? I know it sounds stupid but I'd like to have some sort of consistent information to go off. I know some basics but its still kinda a mystery to me. Thanks to Flamewheel as he provided a Mathematics of Last Hitting under tower guide not too long ago. Here it is - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375120 edit: ahh, someone beat me to it. | ||
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On February 26 2013 02:53 Vaelone wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=375120 Searched tower and boom. fantastic thanks gotta practice | ||
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crms
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On February 26 2013 02:48 TheEmulator wrote: Well, you're absolutely right, but I wasn't trying to argue his mechanics would make him good enough to go pro or anything, even though it may have sounded like that. I was just giving one example of some of his natural talents that set him apart from the average page 1-5 player, and which makes him improve at a faster rate than most. He will need decision making, and teamwork to be pro level, however, I feel like he has those skills, just needs to adapt them to DotA. On another note, mechanics do matter quite a bit, and someone with his skill will definitely be more consistent with things like last hitting, skill shotting, etc. Although it isn't the most important factor, but to say it doesn't mean much of anything isn't correct imo. what i meant when I said 'doesn't mean much of anything' is that his increased mechanical ability doesn't matter that much. I feel most dota players: professional, amateur or even good pubbers have the mechanics to land skill shots and CS well enough compared to 'professionals'. His mechanical skill in RTS might let him hit the ceiling faster, but it won't matter in the end when it comes to if he is going to be successful or not because countless players are mechanically good at dota and never amount to anything but pubs. This is the exact opposite of SC2/BroodWar where barely anyone outside the highest skill tier is mechanically proficient. | ||
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On February 26 2013 02:23 SilverStar wrote: Seriously. Look at fnatic. Don't expect them to do big plays within the next few months. Maybe in about 6 months or more. Elaborate? | ||
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TheEmulator
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On February 26 2013 03:17 Mandini wrote: Everyone ever needs to read that, its so frustrating when people just miss every last hit whenever a tower gets involved. I agree. One time I watched a game that was first on the live game tab, so obviously it was fairly high level, and the AM I was obsing missed every single one whenever his support pulled. Maybe he doesn't play carry often, but either way it's bad at that level. | ||
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maru~
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On February 26 2013 03:16 crms wrote: what i meant when I said 'doesn't mean much of anything' is that his increased mechanical ability doesn't matter that much. I feel most dota players: professional, amateur or even good pubbers have the mechanics to land skill shots and CS well enough compared to 'professionals'. His mechanical skill in RTS might let him hit the ceiling faster, but it won't matter in the end when it comes to if he is going to be successful or not because countless players are mechanically good at dota and never amount to anything but pubs. This is the exact opposite of SC2/BroodWar where barely anyone outside the highest skill tier is mechanically proficient. I think you are underestimating the skill ceiling in Dota. | ||
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Kupon3ss
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On February 26 2013 04:03 maru~ wrote: I think you are underestimating the skill ceiling in Dota. The purely mechanical one (aka apm related sc2 capable one) is really just that low. If you practice for a few hours in a row with an individual hero you can more or less master the animation, the difference is stuff like game understanding and the conversion of mentality from an individual centric, highly planned out game like sc2 to a team-oriented adaptable game like Dota. It's not really his mechanics holding him back, it's more an issue of things like game knowledge and decision-making | ||
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- EternalEnvyy 2013 man anime is so weird sometimes | ||
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