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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 16:10:29
February 07 2013 16:10 GMT
#42301
EG vs Fnatic same time as Empire vs Navi
Nth vs 3DMAX same time as Liquid vs Mouz

No EU/NA matches before or after those 2.

Nice scheduling guys.
Once you Goblak...
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 07 2013 16:11 GMT
#42302
It isn't that hard to watch two streams. There is a relatively small chance of a huge teamfight happening in both games at once.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 16:13:01
February 07 2013 16:12 GMT
#42303
It's not hard, but it's not good for either of them to have all their matches at the same time, it's not like it's just today.
Once you Goblak...
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
February 07 2013 16:12 GMT
#42304
I don't fancy the chances of liquid vs mouz, mouz has been destroying lately, only the most solid teams managed to beat them
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 07 2013 16:15 GMT
#42305
I'd argue that competition is actually good for the viewer. If organizations have agreements to not broadcast at the same time then they have no reason to improve. If I need to choose between D2L and The Defense then both of them need to try their hardest to get me to watch.

Of course, I normally just have both streams up so it's ^_^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 16:23:24
February 07 2013 16:20 GMT
#42306
On February 08 2013 01:15 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
I'd argue that competition is actually good for the viewer. If organizations have agreements to not broadcast at the same time then they have no reason to improve. If I need to choose between D2L and The Defense then both of them need to try their hardest to get me to watch.

Of course, I normally just have both streams up so it's ^_^
Competition can exist without being counter-productive.

If all the matches are at the same time then all organisations will lose viewers and all the teams will get less exposure. I don't think they should have an agreement to not broadcast at the same time. But they should at least try to stagger the games a bit. D2L moving 30 minutes back and TD moving 30 minutes forward, that's really all it would take and it wouldn't really be a problem.
Once you Goblak...
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
February 07 2013 16:23 GMT
#42307
On February 08 2013 01:20 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2013 01:15 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
I'd argue that competition is actually good for the viewer. If organizations have agreements to not broadcast at the same time then they have no reason to improve. If I need to choose between D2L and The Defense then both of them need to try their hardest to get me to watch.

Of course, I normally just have both streams up so it's ^_^
Competition can exist without being counter-productive.

If all the matches are at the same time then all organisations will lose viewers and all the teams will get less exposure. I don't think they should have an agreement to not broadcast at the same time. But they should at least try to stagger the games a bit.

I think there is probably a huge challenge in scheduling teams to play at certain times - conflicts in schedules is a big deal D:
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 07 2013 16:24 GMT
#42308
On February 08 2013 01:20 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2013 01:15 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
I'd argue that competition is actually good for the viewer. If organizations have agreements to not broadcast at the same time then they have no reason to improve. If I need to choose between D2L and The Defense then both of them need to try their hardest to get me to watch.

Of course, I normally just have both streams up so it's ^_^
Competition can exist without being counter-productive.

If all the matches are at the same time then all organisations will lose viewers and all the teams will get less exposure. I don't think they should have an agreement to not broadcast at the same time. But they should at least try to stagger the games a bit.


They might lose more viewers by not playing in that timeslot. A television company might not want to compete with big name shows at the 8pm timeslot, but if they're still going to get more viewers than if they dodged it and played their show at 1am it doesn't seem as bad. Considering how many tournaments are ongoing right now you'd be hard pressed to fit them all without overlap, especially if you want to broadcast at a decent Euro and US time so that you get viewers from both regions.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 16:27:29
February 07 2013 16:25 GMT
#42309
I'm sure it's difficult but they probably booked them to play at this time a couple of days ago.

If they talked to each-other they could say "We will try to book our first match at 5pm, and second at 8" and the other can say 6 and 9.

It won't always work, but at the moment there seems to be no communication and it's bad, for everyone, viewers, teams, tournaments.
Once you Goblak...
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 16:42:01
February 07 2013 16:36 GMT
#42310
On February 08 2013 00:54 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2013 00:44 Lightspeaker wrote:
On February 07 2013 11:40 trinxified wrote:
I am 5-19 with my last 24 games. I feel like shit and I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Now, every game I lose is like a temptation of just quitting dota2 altogether.


I know what you mean. The last time I had three wins in a row was thirty games ago. I've had 11 wins in the last 30 games, the vast majority because of someone feeding horrendously. My winrate has dropped to sub-48% (when it was nearly up to 54% at one point). On the verge of quitting myself.

Personally I started playing Drow for 1 game a night. Because if there's one way to guarantee I'll get a win its to pick drow.

Why are you so obessed with winrate in pubs?

Got to have a 100% winrate in pubs #swag

Also if you are really thinking about quitting the game because you are losing you should probably do it. You are going to lose ~50% of the times, dont have to be mad.


Losing isn't maddening. And losing a close game can be fun.

On the other hand...
Losing because your carry doesn't know how to farm or what items to build is maddening.
Losing because one of your lanes insists on repeatedly tower diving the opponents and feeding the enemy carry is maddening.
Losing because the enemy picked five carries and you're the only one on your team who realises you need to try to pressure them and attack early is maddening.
Having your teammates repeatedly refuse to engage and instead get picked off one by one is maddening.
Having people who can't last hit or who don't even know how or why to last hit is maddening.
Having teammates who refuse to buy detection or even use detection that you've bought and GIVEN them is maddening.

I, like everyone else who isn't playing in major tournaments, am a pretty bad player. But these are very basic things. Not complicated or clever. They require basic reasoning and logic and a tiny bit of game experience. When I started my grand total of experience with this genre was a bit of SC2's SotIS; so I chose the lowest starting option. But over the past few hundred games and a bit of reading I've learned these basic ideas. So why the hell do I see a 300-win TA come down bottom and begin autoattacking my creep lane (when I'm playing PL); then firing off insults when I ask him to at least last hit if he's going to stay there? Not to mention he actually seemed CONFUSED as to what last hitting was. I literally don't know how this is even physically possible, but it happens...repeatedly. Sometimes in multiple games in a row. This isn't even a skill thing, its a common sense thing.


As for winrate...winrate is the only metric to measure whether or not I'm going to start getting to play with people who actually know not to autoattack the lane for the first fifteen minutes of the game.


Eh...I don't even know why I'm writing this. This comment:
Got to have a 100% winrate in pubs #swag


Clearly indicates your view. Because clearly nobody should ever aspire to play with other people who have more than five braincells, right?
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
February 07 2013 16:40 GMT
#42311
What about losing when you have megacreeps, the opponents have killed 0 of your raxes, and then your antimage farms 2 rapiers and gives them away?

I found that game hilarious actually.
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dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
February 07 2013 16:41 GMT
#42312
On February 08 2013 01:40 Firebolt145 wrote:
What about losing when you have megacreeps, the opponents have killed 0 of your raxes, and then your antimage farms 2 rapiers and gives them away?

I found that game hilarious actually.

I would blame porkie.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/Q1jSb9X.jpg (c) Shiro; http://i.imgur.com/lSDLLKb.png (c) drav
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
February 07 2013 16:43 GMT
#42313
Navi vs Empire in 20mn on Tobi, posting it because it's not in the calendar.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
February 07 2013 16:45 GMT
#42314
On February 08 2013 01:41 dfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2013 01:40 Firebolt145 wrote:
What about losing when you have megacreeps, the opponents have killed 0 of your raxes, and then your antimage farms 2 rapiers and gives them away?

I found that game hilarious actually.

I would blame porkie.

Actually this one wasn't with porkie.
Moderator
dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
February 07 2013 16:46 GMT
#42315
On February 08 2013 01:45 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2013 01:41 dfs wrote:
On February 08 2013 01:40 Firebolt145 wrote:
What about losing when you have megacreeps, the opponents have killed 0 of your raxes, and then your antimage farms 2 rapiers and gives them away?

I found that game hilarious actually.

I would blame porkie.

Actually this one wasn't with porkie.

This changes nothing.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/Q1jSb9X.jpg (c) Shiro; http://i.imgur.com/lSDLLKb.png (c) drav
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
February 07 2013 16:47 GMT
#42316
On February 08 2013 01:40 Firebolt145 wrote:
What about losing when you have megacreeps, the opponents have killed 0 of your raxes, and then your antimage farms 2 rapiers and gives them away?

I found that game hilarious actually.



I'd probably be laughing too hard to be honest. Losing because of something like that is pretty funny.

General incompetence less so. To cannibalise a phrase I saw attributed to a pro-SC2 player in somebodies signature: for me the majority of DOTA 2 games are 15 minutes of playing then one side wins and theres a thirty minute death animation for the losing side.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 16:49:26
February 07 2013 16:48 GMT
#42317
The worst game I ever won had a Bh on the other team feed us purposely 2-3 rapiers, and eventually it became a rapier fest where I think there were 6-8 rapiers at the end of it.

I think I died over 20 times as ogremagi.

http://dotabuff.com/matches/29503359
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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
February 07 2013 16:49 GMT
#42318
@Lightspeaker

Winrate has nothing to do with skill. If you believe that you are delusioned. SingSing has a very low winrate. Doesn't mean he is bad. You are supposed to have 50% winrate unless you are one of the very best. That's how matchmaking is supposed to work. If you are matched against equally good opponents then in the end you will get a 50% winrate.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 07 2013 16:49 GMT
#42319
Eric Tams on matchmaking - "I was amazed to find out that 1 good player doesn't cancel out 1 bad player on a team." That might help explain some MM woes. But we have a QQ thread for this anyways.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 17:07:38
February 07 2013 17:04 GMT
#42320
On February 08 2013 01:49 DrPandaPhD wrote:
@Lightspeaker

Winrate has nothing to do with skill. If you believe that you are delusioned. SingSing has a very low winrate. Doesn't mean he is bad. You are supposed to have 50% winrate unless you are one of the very best. That's how matchmaking is supposed to work. If you are matched against equally good opponents then in the end you will get a 50% winrate.


For one; I know winrate is not directly correlated with skill already. I'm not a goddamn idiot so cut the damn attitude.

However there IS a generally relevant effect here on winrates which you yourself highlighted. You will get a 50% winrate matched with people that the system deems of a similar skill level to you. Therefore the implication being that if you're BEATING those people then you will have a modestly higher winrate. Its not a very good measure but in the absence of any other metric... *shrug* I'm a scientist IRL; I like numbers.


Don't mind me. I'm just being slowly mentally destroyed by game after game of feeders, terrible support and awful carries. Its not even people playing bad...its literally people not understanding the game. When I'm the weakest on my team its because my execution is bad, not because I literally don't know how to play.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
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