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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
January 29 2013 10:42 GMT
#40541
Terrifying spectre illusion on your ass that you can't juke? Terrifying stuff. Psyops right there
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
January 29 2013 10:54 GMT
#40542
On January 29 2013 18:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Because you could also argue nyx counters rhasta/lion by 1 shotting them any time they're alone. Also, you can't just afford to use hex on a support in a team fight. And even if you do hex him, you can get stunned if you auto after in that period. It doesn't really matter. It's kind of a waste of a hex if you do that because you can't burst him anyway while he's disabled. Like, the whole idea behind trying to counter a support is evidence for how OP/strong that support is.

Well Nyx can pretty much solo any support if he is catches them alone and off guard. You could argue a disable-heavy support can even hold Nyx pinned down till help arrives if the Nyx player makes a mistake. Hexing a Nyx that is out of position is worth it imo, the amount of pain he can cause if he is NOT in the middle of the fight to Carapace off random attacks/aoe is severely reduced.

Also about shackle, it has a positional requirement and is not instant. Nothing beats a reliable point and click disable.

Still I do believe Nyx is at least partially suffering from the Lycan syndrome. People ban him so much because they don't want to bother finding ways to lower his impact on the game. It is also more than likely that the Asian scene will figure him out as the Western teams are not really known for innovating.
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
January 29 2013 11:02 GMT
#40543
Dotabuff just has to be down when I just had the most intense game.
Basically everything was screwed from the get go, our sniper even 40mins in had like, treads and a deso. just zero farm and a lot of deaths. our lane;s were off, we had no real carry.
I swear I was playing FTFC because the enemy team got to all of our T3 towers, destroyed our mid tower and then we wiped them on the rax, pushed up mid, and throned. After getting our asses handed to us every fight, to wipe them last second and push all the way through mid.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Dota.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
January 29 2013 11:13 GMT
#40544
On January 29 2013 18:23 Kupon3ss wrote:
Though combined with the recent buff to haunt she might be somewhat viable if we gave her a bit more agi

maybe an extra 2 agi growth would do it
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 29 2013 11:26 GMT
#40545
On January 29 2013 20:02 ReignSupreme. wrote:
Dotabuff just has to be down when I just had the most intense game.
Basically everything was screwed from the get go, our sniper even 40mins in had like, treads and a deso. just zero farm and a lot of deaths. our lane;s were off, we had no real carry.
I swear I was playing FTFC because the enemy team got to all of our T3 towers, destroyed our mid tower and then we wiped them on the rax, pushed up mid, and throned. After getting our asses handed to us every fight, to wipe them last second and push all the way through mid.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Dota.


You can still get the match ID from your history.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 29 2013 11:37 GMT
#40546
On January 29 2013 20:13 Dead9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 18:23 Kupon3ss wrote:
Though combined with the recent buff to haunt she might be somewhat viable if we gave her a bit more agi

maybe an extra 2 agi growth would do it

doesnt fix her farming issue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
January 29 2013 11:44 GMT
#40547
On January 29 2013 20:37 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 20:13 Dead9 wrote:
On January 29 2013 18:23 Kupon3ss wrote:
Though combined with the recent buff to haunt she might be somewhat viable if we gave her a bit more agi

maybe an extra 2 agi growth would do it

doesnt fix her farming issue

Putting her in a strong denfesive trilane with that kind of buff would just make her the new PL, honestly..
In the woods, there lurks..
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
January 29 2013 11:51 GMT
#40548
The strongest point of Spec is arguably her uber late game team fight presence. Your team spent 30seconds to focus her down and everyone would be almost half dying from her splash (and maybe half of the team is dead killed by her team mates), she buyback and ulti, you call GG. Her ulti is called haunting for good reasons lol. And imagine if she had an aegis.

So as the balance goes, spec cannot get a buff treatment like PL. Quite similar to the case of Medu, they simply dont belong to this era of dota Hope for some tweak on spec's dagger or desolation.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 29 2013 11:56 GMT
#40549
On January 29 2013 20:44 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 20:37 Erasme wrote:
On January 29 2013 20:13 Dead9 wrote:
On January 29 2013 18:23 Kupon3ss wrote:
Though combined with the recent buff to haunt she might be somewhat viable if we gave her a bit more agi

maybe an extra 2 agi growth would do it

doesnt fix her farming issue

Putting her in a strong denfesive trilane with that kind of buff would just make her the new PL, honestly..

pl farms quicker than spectre with diffu even when she has radiance, an agi buff wouldnt make her more mobile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
January 29 2013 12:46 GMT
#40550
Yo guys, does anyone know what rules they use in china for 1v1 sf mid only tournaments?
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 12:54:07
January 29 2013 12:50 GMT
#40551
On January 29 2013 21:46 thOr6136 wrote:
Yo guys, does anyone know what rules they use in china for 1v1 sf mid only tournaments?

On October 20 2012 16:36 kdgns wrote:
I know this is for dota 2 but since the games are so similar and this tournament includes big names like 430, I thought people might like to see





The tournament is meant to showcase both professional and non-professional (but still highly skilled) dota, basically its purpose is to be a stage for non-professional players to go up against pros and show their stuff.

Game format is as follows: All matches will include runes, the reasoning is that rune control is a key part of being a good solo mid, couriers are allowed but no bottlecrowing, soul ring is banned, first to 3 kills or 2 towers wins, or when opponent concedes. Neutrals can not be touched. Bo3 format is as follows

Game 1: Solo mid mirror match shadowfiend
SF is considered the hallmark of a chinese solo mid dota player, it highlights the fundamentals of the player's last hitting, creep control, reaction time and decision making.

Game 2/3: Winner of previous game bans first and picks first,1-2-2-1 style ban stage, each player ends up banning 3 heros then picks their hero

Since mid heros can be countered, the loser of the previous game will gain an advantage in the next game

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDY0MTYxMTQ0.html (round of 16 stage)
Air vs 杀意来袭
+ Show Spoiler +


Air is a professional player from DT
杀意来袭 is an amateur highly ranked player who made it through the qualifiers,

Game 1: Solo mid shadowfiend mirrormatch
+ Show Spoiler +
Air is on sentinal (radiant), 杀意来袭 is on scourge (dire)


Game 2: 1-2-2-1

+ Show Spoiler +
Air Bans : [Skywrath mage, Shadow Demon]) Obsidian destroyer (outworld destroyer)




EDIT: For some reason half of my post has gone away, Can anyone tell me if its possible to revert a post to a previous edit??? =(

Here are the links to the other games without summaries that was cut off
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDY0MTYxMTQ0.html 430VS夜夜笙歌,AIRvs杀意来袭
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDY0NjUyODcy.html HAOvsSTICK,小乖vs你咬我呀
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDY2MDc2MDcy.html sumnusm和sylar登场,妖刀对决C

Ro8+ Show Spoiler +

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDcwNTcwNzYw.html Air对Mu (MU replaces HAO, all players agreed to this switch)
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDcwODkyMDE2.html Sumnus丶M对430
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDczNjkxNTgw.html cty对sylar


Finals
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDg1ODg2Mzc2.html


from http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1&topic_id=376757
WriterXiao8~~
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
January 29 2013 13:02 GMT
#40552
I don't understand why cloak/hood/tranqs aren't banned in sf vs sf.

Also "rune control" is only used in a real match where you have supports checking for runes&ganking...in 1vs1 it just makes the match-up luck based like Fistful of Tangoes demonstrated a few times.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 29 2013 13:22 GMT
#40553
On January 29 2013 20:44 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 20:37 Erasme wrote:
On January 29 2013 20:13 Dead9 wrote:
On January 29 2013 18:23 Kupon3ss wrote:
Though combined with the recent buff to haunt she might be somewhat viable if we gave her a bit more agi

maybe an extra 2 agi growth would do it

doesnt fix her farming issue

Putting her in a strong denfesive trilane with that kind of buff would just make her the new PL, honestly..


Spec doesn't farm as well and currently doesn't have the same itemisation that allows PL to join the fights early. PL is strong currently because he can fight early and still be a late game boss. If spec could do the same then she would be viable. In fact every carry you play has to come online in mid game to an extent or you just lose the game. PL also has a far better laning phase than Spec. I think if they changed dagger into something more usable then spec might see play again, currently she lacks a bit too much.
SirMilford
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1269 Posts
January 29 2013 13:42 GMT
#40554
Surprised the patented TL General forums build of Phase +drums+ diffusal hasn't popped up yet.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 29 2013 13:50 GMT
#40555
I haven't used the build before so can't comment but just from first impressions how is her farming on it? PL works wonders because he can still farm really fast while going a more fighting oriented build.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 29 2013 13:57 GMT
#40556
hello everybody
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
January 29 2013 14:05 GMT
#40557
Hello , welcome to the best thing that happened to dota since sliced Guinsoo!
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
January 29 2013 14:06 GMT
#40558
Anyone know what happened to NoTidehunter's sponsor/team signing??
I remamber they were hinitng about it, but then it all got silent, cant find anything about it...
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
January 29 2013 14:13 GMT
#40559
The problem isn't the build. It's that if you're building those team fight items on your carry, why not actually play a carry that is good at team-fighting like Chaos Knight instead of Spectre. The meta just isn't there currently.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
January 29 2013 14:27 GMT
#40560
On January 29 2013 22:42 SirMilford wrote:
Surprised the patented TL General forums build of Phase +drums+ diffusal hasn't popped up yet.


isn't it tranq+aquila+drums

although Zhou started it
ffxiv enjoyer
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