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On January 24 2013 02:14 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 02:11 ChrisXIV wrote:On January 24 2013 02:02 superstartran wrote:
I'm getting the feeling you don't want your MMR publicly shown because you're not as good as you thought you were at DotA 2. Two can play at that game. I'm an OK carry, a mediocre mid and a horrible support. According to your system, where good overall MMR means getting the important roles, I'd never get to play the role I'm decent at, unless I get paired with players worse than me overall. And again, I'm pretty sure you would flame the shit out of people with lower ranking than yours taking mid. The system is not going to skew you where you are position 5 every single game. What do people not understand about this? By having a set order based on MMRs, you get to actually play every position more often than you normally would, because sometimes you would be forced to pick supports when you don't like to play supports, and sometimes you are forced to play mid when you don't like to play mid.
Basic statistics, carry being the 1 position and mid being the 2 position means you are more likely not to get those roles.
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On January 24 2013 02:15 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 02:08 superstartran wrote:
People who play for fun generally don't end up in the bracket I play in. So for the most part, I am only addressing people who are playing to win and like to play semi-competitively in pubs.
Right now in DotA 2 there are no IHLs that are good. The VH level bracket games (as in most of the shit that shows up on page 1) play very similar to what you would see in an IHL, so thinking that those people shouldn't play to win is hilarious. So what bracket are you in?! I'm on page 1 from time to time, and I don't have this experience of a bracket where people never play for fun.
If you're playing a NADota stack, you have no choice but to play to win if you want to have any semblance of fun. If you try to play non-try hard/fun, you're gonna get fountain fed on within the first 15 minutes of the game.
On January 24 2013 02:16 ChrisXIV wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 02:14 superstartran wrote:On January 24 2013 02:11 ChrisXIV wrote:On January 24 2013 02:02 superstartran wrote:
I'm getting the feeling you don't want your MMR publicly shown because you're not as good as you thought you were at DotA 2. Two can play at that game. I'm an OK carry, a mediocre mid and a horrible support. According to your system, where good overall MMR means getting the important roles, I'd never get to play the role I'm decent at, unless I get paired with players worse than me overall. And again, I'm pretty sure you would flame the shit out of people with lower ranking than yours taking mid. The system is not going to skew you where you are position 5 every single game. What do people not understand about this? By having a set order based on MMRs, you get to actually play every position more often than you normally would, because sometimes you would be forced to pick supports when you don't like to play supports, and sometimes you are forced to play mid when you don't like to play mid. Basic statistics, carry being the 1 position and mid being the 2 position means you are more likely not to get those roles.
No, you're not understanding me. The system is not going to put you at the bottom of the list in terms of MMR every single time out of your entire team. You're going to have the chance to play higher impact positions, because the system will put you with people that are lower MMR than you sometimes.
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Hate to break it to you super, but your "page 1" pubs....are still pubs.. they are casual games bro, they don't matter, they are there for fun, and you won't convince any of the people who dominate those games that they are anything but for fun matches. IF you don't like the IHLs in dota 2, then keep your mouth shut and wait, or make your own. thats the way dota has always worked.
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On January 24 2013 02:16 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 02:15 Firebolt145 wrote:On January 24 2013 02:08 superstartran wrote:
People who play for fun generally don't end up in the bracket I play in. So for the most part, I am only addressing people who are playing to win and like to play semi-competitively in pubs.
Right now in DotA 2 there are no IHLs that are good. The VH level bracket games (as in most of the shit that shows up on page 1) play very similar to what you would see in an IHL, so thinking that those people shouldn't play to win is hilarious. So what bracket are you in?! I'm on page 1 from time to time, and I don't have this experience of a bracket where people never play for fun. If you're playing a NADota stack, you have no choice but to play to win if you want to have any semblance of fun. If you try to play non-try hard/fun, you're gonna get fountain fed on within the first 15 minutes of the game.
if i'm gonna tryhard, and my best role is support, shouldn't I play support even if i'm the highest MMR?
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On January 24 2013 02:16 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 02:15 Firebolt145 wrote:On January 24 2013 02:08 superstartran wrote:
People who play for fun generally don't end up in the bracket I play in. So for the most part, I am only addressing people who are playing to win and like to play semi-competitively in pubs.
Right now in DotA 2 there are no IHLs that are good. The VH level bracket games (as in most of the shit that shows up on page 1) play very similar to what you would see in an IHL, so thinking that those people shouldn't play to win is hilarious. So what bracket are you in?! I'm on page 1 from time to time, and I don't have this experience of a bracket where people never play for fun. If you're playing a NADota stack, you have no choice but to play to win if you want to have any semblance of fun. If you try to play non-try hard/fun, you're gonna get fountain fed on within the first 15 minutes of the game. Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 02:16 ChrisXIV wrote:On January 24 2013 02:14 superstartran wrote:On January 24 2013 02:11 ChrisXIV wrote:On January 24 2013 02:02 superstartran wrote:
I'm getting the feeling you don't want your MMR publicly shown because you're not as good as you thought you were at DotA 2. Two can play at that game. I'm an OK carry, a mediocre mid and a horrible support. According to your system, where good overall MMR means getting the important roles, I'd never get to play the role I'm decent at, unless I get paired with players worse than me overall. And again, I'm pretty sure you would flame the shit out of people with lower ranking than yours taking mid. The system is not going to skew you where you are position 5 every single game. What do people not understand about this? By having a set order based on MMRs, you get to actually play every position more often than you normally would, because sometimes you would be forced to pick supports when you don't like to play supports, and sometimes you are forced to play mid when you don't like to play mid. Basic statistics, carry being the 1 position and mid being the 2 position means you are more likely not to get those roles. No, you're not understanding me. The system is not going to put you at the bottom of the list in terms of MMR every single time out of your entire team. You're going to have the chance to play higher impact positions, because the system will put you with people that are lower MMR than you sometimes.
So you're telling me that Demon never trolls.
I also play on USE from time to time, haven't experienced that.
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On January 24 2013 02:18 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 02:16 superstartran wrote:On January 24 2013 02:15 Firebolt145 wrote:On January 24 2013 02:08 superstartran wrote:
People who play for fun generally don't end up in the bracket I play in. So for the most part, I am only addressing people who are playing to win and like to play semi-competitively in pubs.
Right now in DotA 2 there are no IHLs that are good. The VH level bracket games (as in most of the shit that shows up on page 1) play very similar to what you would see in an IHL, so thinking that those people shouldn't play to win is hilarious. So what bracket are you in?! I'm on page 1 from time to time, and I don't have this experience of a bracket where people never play for fun. If you're playing a NADota stack, you have no choice but to play to win if you want to have any semblance of fun. If you try to play non-try hard/fun, you're gonna get fountain fed on within the first 15 minutes of the game. On January 24 2013 02:16 ChrisXIV wrote:On January 24 2013 02:14 superstartran wrote:On January 24 2013 02:11 ChrisXIV wrote:On January 24 2013 02:02 superstartran wrote:
I'm getting the feeling you don't want your MMR publicly shown because you're not as good as you thought you were at DotA 2. Two can play at that game. I'm an OK carry, a mediocre mid and a horrible support. According to your system, where good overall MMR means getting the important roles, I'd never get to play the role I'm decent at, unless I get paired with players worse than me overall. And again, I'm pretty sure you would flame the shit out of people with lower ranking than yours taking mid. The system is not going to skew you where you are position 5 every single game. What do people not understand about this? By having a set order based on MMRs, you get to actually play every position more often than you normally would, because sometimes you would be forced to pick supports when you don't like to play supports, and sometimes you are forced to play mid when you don't like to play mid. Basic statistics, carry being the 1 position and mid being the 2 position means you are more likely not to get those roles. No, you're not understanding me. The system is not going to put you at the bottom of the list in terms of MMR every single time out of your entire team. You're going to have the chance to play higher impact positions, because the system will put you with people that are lower MMR than you sometimes. So you're telling me that Demon never trolls.
You ever try playing against Murs in a 5 stack without try harding? Not very fun.
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If dota automatically assigned you a role every time you joined a game based on your comparative skill to the other players on your team, I wouldnt play. The fluidity of it is part of the fun.
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On January 24 2013 02:11 MoonBear wrote:
While I understand this can be a contentious issue, let's try to be more civil here before I use my Jayce Hammer. Kthxbai~
Is that Hammer big enough?
http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/b/b1/Brew_ability_drunkenhaze_06.mp3
XBOCT just started streaming on Twitch. Weird Na'Vi didn't say a single thing about it..
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On January 24 2013 02:16 Gheizen64 wrote:
I'd say public DBR has already ruined the game even before it got out. That has to be somehting.
Most insightful post in the last hour at least XD
More seriously though, People who actually think win mid -> win game need to play more OD.
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On January 24 2013 02:17 PrinceXizor wrote:
Hate to break it to you super, but your "page 1" pubs....are still pubs.. they are casual games bro, they don't matter, they are there for fun, and you won't convince any of the people who dominate those games that they are anything but for fun matches. IF you don't like the IHLs in dota 2, then keep your mouth shut and wait, or make your own. thats the way dota has always worked.
Hate to break it to you, but people at that level generally do play to win, so if you don't like it, you can keep your mouth shut and stay down in the 'fun' bracket.
On January 24 2013 02:20 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 02:16 Gheizen64 wrote:
I'd say public DBR has already ruined the game even before it got out. That has to be somehting. Most insightful post in the last hour at least XD More seriously though, People who actually think win mid -> win game need to play more OD.
Who said anything about OD? You go mid to get levels/fast farm so you can gank the map and control it for your team.
User was temp banned for this post.
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I mean damn dude, i played a pick-up game of basketball with Micheal Jordan last october, that doesn't make me king of the pick-up games, nor did i call him on it when he charged me. It was just a friendly for fun game, which is all a pub will EVER be.
(For those wondering, i go to college with his son, and they were playing a pickup game by the gym and asked me to join)
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On January 24 2013 02:18 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 02:18 Firebolt145 wrote:On January 24 2013 02:16 superstartran wrote:On January 24 2013 02:15 Firebolt145 wrote:On January 24 2013 02:08 superstartran wrote:
People who play for fun generally don't end up in the bracket I play in. So for the most part, I am only addressing people who are playing to win and like to play semi-competitively in pubs.
Right now in DotA 2 there are no IHLs that are good. The VH level bracket games (as in most of the shit that shows up on page 1) play very similar to what you would see in an IHL, so thinking that those people shouldn't play to win is hilarious. So what bracket are you in?! I'm on page 1 from time to time, and I don't have this experience of a bracket where people never play for fun. If you're playing a NADota stack, you have no choice but to play to win if you want to have any semblance of fun. If you try to play non-try hard/fun, you're gonna get fountain fed on within the first 15 minutes of the game. On January 24 2013 02:16 ChrisXIV wrote:On January 24 2013 02:14 superstartran wrote:On January 24 2013 02:11 ChrisXIV wrote:On January 24 2013 02:02 superstartran wrote:
I'm getting the feeling you don't want your MMR publicly shown because you're not as good as you thought you were at DotA 2. Two can play at that game. I'm an OK carry, a mediocre mid and a horrible support. According to your system, where good overall MMR means getting the important roles, I'd never get to play the role I'm decent at, unless I get paired with players worse than me overall. And again, I'm pretty sure you would flame the shit out of people with lower ranking than yours taking mid. The system is not going to skew you where you are position 5 every single game. What do people not understand about this? By having a set order based on MMRs, you get to actually play every position more often than you normally would, because sometimes you would be forced to pick supports when you don't like to play supports, and sometimes you are forced to play mid when you don't like to play mid. Basic statistics, carry being the 1 position and mid being the 2 position means you are more likely not to get those roles. No, you're not understanding me. The system is not going to put you at the bottom of the list in terms of MMR every single time out of your entire team. You're going to have the chance to play higher impact positions, because the system will put you with people that are lower MMR than you sometimes. So you're telling me that Demon never trolls. You ever try playing against Murs in a 5 stack without try harding? Not very fun.
Of course you're going to occasionally play against tryhards. I've played Merlini's stacks before on EU, I am well aware of how he does things. What I'm saying is that the number of tryhard games versus non-tryhard games is still skewed towards non-tryhard, and thus everyone should just take a seat back and enjoy the damn game.
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^Holy shit fuck you, you lucky fucker.
I mean princexizor, not you fb
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On January 24 2013 02:15 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 02:05 Rynzser_r wrote:On January 24 2013 01:52 DrPandaPhD wrote:On January 24 2013 01:49 superstartran wrote:On January 24 2013 01:47 DrPandaPhD wrote:If you're playing for fun why do you care that someone on your team that is good wants to take mid? You can have fun playing other heroes too. Wow you really are way too tryhard of a pubber. The game is played for fun. If a person enjoys playing mid more than other roles he should feel free to go mid and not be trashed by pubstars who think they are superior because they have a higher MMR. Winning = fun. Didn't know that losing constantly was how people played DotA. News to me. And it's not just about winning or losing, it's about how you're losing. If a completely inferior player goes mid, feeds 3 times, and gets completely stomped, the game goes so sour that it is basically impossible to have fun, because the opposing team is basically fountain feeding on you 20 minutes into the game if the opposing mid knew what he was doing. If a mid player gets a huge head start like that in a pub, the game is almost certainly over at that point, because a ganking hero that gets a big advantage early is basically impossible to stop in a pub. What? You can have fun without winning. SingSing probably being the most perfect example of someone who has fun no matter if he loses/wins shoper..? dafuq u doin Talking about pubs rynz, if our serious dotabro scrimteam we never lose
yo pubs are ezpz dafuq tey all talkin about , anyway when u coming home?
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They could make some kind of a comprise where only you can see your exact rating, but others can only see which range of rating you are in, maybe in steps of 100. Say if you have 1710 or 1790 rating, others could still only see you are in the 1700-1800 range; ideally also sorting player rating similar to the graph of hon posted some pages before. So if you check rating during a game, you can only check if somebody is significantly higher or lower rated than the others, which imho would not be that bad. I know this isn't perfect though.
Optionally you might still allow your exact rating to be displayed.
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On January 24 2013 02:20 PrinceXizor wrote:
I mean damn dude, i played a pick-up game of basketball with Micheal Jordan last october, that doesn't make me king of the pick-up games, nor did i call him on it when he charged me. It was just a friendly for fun game, which is all a pub will EVER be.
(For those wondering, i go to college with his son, and they were playing a pickup game by the gym and asked me to join)
I don't even follow basketball and I'm jealous.
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On January 24 2013 02:16 superstartran wrote:
No, you're not understanding me. The system is not going to put you at the bottom of the list in terms of MMR every single time out of your entire team. You're going to have the chance to play higher impact positions, because the system will put you with people that are lower MMR than you sometimes.
It doesn't need to put me at the bottom to make it "impossible" for me to play carry, I just have to be placed in the bottom 3, which is statistically more likely than getting placed in the top 2.
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On January 24 2013 02:20 superstartran wrote:
Hate to break it to you, but people at that level generally do play to win, so if you don't like it, you can keep your mouth shut and stay down in the 'fun' bracket.
Just because you and the other kids who never accomplished anything in dota get to play with people who are good at the game, doesn't make the people who are good at the game take the pubs seriously. sry bro.
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Na'vi switched to twitch.
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On January 24 2013 02:20 superstartran wrote:
Hate to break it to you, but people at that level generally do play to win, so if you don't like it, you can keep your mouth shut and stay down in the 'fun' bracket.
Whoa bro, you sure are tough here on the interwebs.
How dare people play a game for fun? Dota is a serious game for serious gamers like you, clearly.
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