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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
pls icefraud y u mak aoe spels. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
I wouldn't mind seeing what centaur could do in competitive play in his current state, but something tells me pros would abuse his ulti way more than pubs and he would need nerfs anyway. However, he doesn't seem like he would fit anywhere. You couldn't offlane him very well I wouldn't think, he isn't enough of a carry to babysit him, and he isn't really that strong mid. I guess you could jungle him but that seems pretty slow no matter what you are doing (I would assume fast tranquils and some stacking help from a support would give you decent farm and levels, but you would need so much regen). | ||
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Wyk
314 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:54 Sn0_Man wrote: I wouldn't mind seeing what centaur could do in competitive play in his current state, but something tells me pros would abuse his ulti way more than pubs and he would need nerfs anyway. However, he doesn't seem like he would fit anywhere. You couldn't offlane him very well I wouldn't think, he isn't enough of a carry to babysit him, and he isn't really that strong mid. I guess you could jungle him but that seems pretty slow no matter what you are doing (I would assume fast tranquils and some stacking help from a support would give you decent farm and levels, but you would need so much regen). I had a good time with him on mid vs melee heroes. Granted it was in pub games, but the truth is I do not mid at all because I have almost no experience on this role. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:54 Sn0_Man wrote: However, he doesn't seem like he would fit anywhere. You couldn't offlane him very well I wouldn't think, he isn't enough of a carry to babysit him, and he isn't really that strong mid. I guess you could jungle him but that seems pretty slow no matter what you are doing (I would assume fast tranquils and some stacking help from a support would give you decent farm and levels, but you would need so much regen). There are enough options for carries that can solo mid that it's totally fine to babysit him safe lane. Honestly, safe lane really doesn't have to be your 1st position at all. A freefarm 7 minute Blink Dagger is scary enough in its own right. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:58 Erasme wrote: and when we watch you play her, we understand why  (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((yo fuck that game | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On January 23 2013 06:10 TheYango wrote: There are enough options for carries that can solo mid that it's totally fine to babysit him safe lane. Honestly, safe lane really doesn't have to be your 1st position at all. A freefarm 7 minute Blink Dagger is scary enough in its own right. This is true - it could also be run as potentially a solo on the safe lane against some heroes like BH if you are running a dual lane mid (CK Wisp, maybe?) + a jungle. Hell, the idea of CK/Tiny/Naix + Wisp + Cent's ult sounds kind of amazing | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On January 23 2013 06:10 TheYango wrote: There are enough options for carries that can solo mid that it's totally fine to babysit him safe lane. Honestly, safe lane really doesn't have to be your 1st position at all. A freefarm 7 minute Blink Dagger is scary enough in its own right. See, Centaur just makes me think of magnus. Why not get a freefarm 7 minute Blink Dagger on magnus? his ulti is so much better with a blink dagger, he has similar nuking power (at least he doesn't self-rape), and he goes through BKB very effectively. The reason is that magnus can also hold his own middle and suicide, so he goes there most games (although less suicide now I think? Haven't seen too many pro games recently). Admittedly, centaur's ulti is an effect that magnus sort-of lacks, but skewer isn't all THAT different (positioning and catching/putting opponents out of position). I mean, what is centaur gonna do with that blink dagger? run around ganking presumably. However, wouldn't magnus just be better at that? (since he can charge them out from under their towers if they are playing passively). Admittedly the CD on reverse polarity is substantially longer than on stomp... So maybe in some sort of "facerush" lineup featuring nightstalker/BH? so that you can tower dive and escape? His ulti seems really good for that... I'm just thinking out loud here. I suppose he could be a decen't farmer in a safe lane in some circumstances. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On January 23 2013 06:19 Sn0_Man wrote: See, Centaur just makes me think of magnus. Why not get a freefarm 7 minute Blink Dagger on magnus? his ulti is so much better with a blink dagger, he has similar nuking power (at least he doesn't self-rape), and he goes through BKB very effectively. The reason is that magnus can also hold his own middle and suicide, so he goes there most games (although less suicide now I think? Haven't seen too many pro games recently). Admittedly, centaur's ulti is an effect that magnus sort-of lacks, but skewer isn't all THAT different (positioning and catching/putting opponents out of position). I mean, what is centaur gonna do with that blink dagger? run around ganking presumably. However, wouldn't magnus just be better at that? (since he can charge them out from under their towers if they are playing passively). Admittedly the CD on reverse polarity is substantially longer than on stomp... So maybe in some sort of "facerush" lineup featuring nightstalker/BH? so that you can tower dive and escape? His ulti seems really good for that... I'm just thinking out loud here. I suppose he could be a decen't farmer in a safe lane in some circumstances. Well, let's just think of some of the differences. A: Cent's Ult is global, as you said, and gives great chasing potential, initiating / positioning potential, and Cent *doesn't have to be there*. Kind of self explanatory, but its just good. B: Cent is more tanky / has the highest str gain in the game IIRC. Not much to say, but its very nice. C: Cent is a little less mana dependent / spammable with his spells, just a nice little thing. D: Cent's stun is much more spammable due to cooldowns as opposed to reverse polarity, which means he is a lot more suited to a roaming / ganking / map control sort of style (again, playing into wisp playstyles). The way I see it is that Magnus is much more catered to 5-man midgame lineups, and while cent can also do this, he feels more suited to a roaming ganking style after picking up a blink dagger. Laning difficulties will make him less popular and more situational than Magnus, but he is an intriguing hero, certainly. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 23 2013 06:19 Sn0_Man wrote: See, Centaur just makes me think of magnus. Why not get a freefarm 7 minute Blink Dagger on magnus? his ulti is so much better with a blink dagger, he has similar nuking power (at least he doesn't self-rape), and he goes through BKB very effectively. The reason is that magnus can also hold his own middle and suicide, so he goes there most games (although less suicide now I think? Haven't seen too many pro games recently). Admittedly, centaur's ulti is an effect that magnus sort-of lacks, but skewer isn't all THAT different (positioning and catching/putting opponents out of position). I mean, what is centaur gonna do with that blink dagger? run around ganking presumably. However, wouldn't magnus just be better at that? (since he can charge them out from under their towers if they are playing passively). Admittedly the CD on reverse polarity is substantially longer than on stomp... So maybe in some sort of "facerush" lineup featuring nightstalker/BH? so that you can tower dive and escape? His ulti seems really good for that... I'm just thinking out loud here. I suppose he could be a decen't farmer in a safe lane in some circumstances. Magnus is extremely hard to shut down hard lane, and to freefarm him safe lane wastes that strength. Also, Magnus' dependence on having Arcanes limits the practical usefulness of a freefarm Blink that early because you still need your Arcanes. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On January 23 2013 06:37 TheYango wrote: Magnus is extremely hard to shut down hard lane, and to freefarm him safe lane wastes that strength. Also, Magnus' dependence on having Arcanes limits the practical usefulness of a freefarm Blink that early because you still need your Arcanes. Sure, but freefarm blink Centaur still needs a mana regen source AND an HP regen source too. It isn't like centaur has this huge mana pool or this way to regen all that HP he spends double edging. Obviously tranquil boots help, but at that point it is pretty much the same as magnus with arcanes. I get why magnus isn't put in the safe farm lane, but I was kinda implying that magnus would be better than cent in a safe farm lane anyways. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On January 23 2013 06:46 Sn0_Man wrote: Sure, but freefarm blink Centaur still needs a mana regen source AND an HP regen source too. It isn't like centaur has this huge mana pool or this way to regen all that HP he spends double edging. Obviously tranquil boots help, but at that point it is pretty much the same as magnus with arcanes. I get why magnus isn't put in the safe farm lane, but I was kinda implying that magnus would be better than cent in a safe farm lane anyways. Its debatable whether or not Cent needs mana boots himself - blink = 75 + Stomp = 130 (level 4), and his ulti is 80 man if he needs to use it. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
I agree, centaur is a strong hero, but I'm still not sold on there being a good reason to rush blink on him over other heroes. Although centaur's mere existance makes slardar look like a joke, which is a bit sad. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On January 23 2013 07:02 Erasme wrote: it depends, a -20armor is scary shit when you have something like a SF behind you Yeah, I really wouldn't compare Slardar and Cent too closely. I'm not too knowledgable about the proper usage of slardar, but the minus armor he gives can be devastating with another carry / semicarry or auras. | ||
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RuskiPanda
United States2906 Posts
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On January 23 2013 07:04 Comeh wrote: Yeah, I really wouldn't compare Slardar and Cent too closely. I'm not too knowledgable about the proper usage of slardar, but the minus armor he gives can be devastating with another carry / semicarry or auras. Yeah brutal. I mentioned here before that I had a game where I was doing -37 armor to opponent as Slardar alone. | ||
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