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chaokel
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia535 Posts
January 19 2013 19:49 GMT
#38481
THANK YOU

We’ve recently taken action against one or more players you’ve previously reported for bad conduct. Thanks for your help in making the Dota 2 community a friendlier place.


Feels nice to get some feedback that reporting the trolls and afkers works.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 19:52:34
January 19 2013 19:50 GMT
#38482
On January 20 2013 04:47 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Well swarm isn't really a skill you want to use often since it gives your opponents gold. I've always just gotten a single point in it for the vision it gives. What do you gain from maxing it early?

Higher damage, longer duration = more -armor, shorter CD (which is very noticeable).

At the point where you're maxing it second, its strength in teamfights becomes considerable, and you don't really care that it's giving gold. 8 second-long Swarm means the enemy can often wait it out if they engage/disengage properly. 20 second duration means you absolutely HAVE to kill the beetles or get wrecked by the damage/-armor.
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acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
January 19 2013 19:54 GMT
#38483
Been playing Medusa almost nonstop for the last forty games or so.

It's much easier to appreciate the difference a good support player makes. Feel sorry for the people I play with, though.
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
January 19 2013 20:25 GMT
#38484
i want a mmr so i know if i'm getting better
i don't really care whether it's public or private
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 19 2013 20:28 GMT
#38485
On January 20 2013 05:25 Cool Cat wrote:
i want a mmr so i know if i'm getting better
i don't really care whether it's public or private

Honestly, I agree in the context of other games, but I've never felt I've had a problem gauging my own improvement in DotA.

BW was sort of the same way, though the tools for visible rating did exist regardless--the sheer number of things you can do better, and that you know when you do better means that you can pretty much always have a sense of your own improvement even without a direct indicator.
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
January 19 2013 20:28 GMT
#38486
On January 20 2013 04:49 chaokel wrote:
Show nested quote +
THANK YOU

We’ve recently taken action against one or more players you’ve previously reported for bad conduct. Thanks for your help in making the Dota 2 community a friendlier place.


Feels nice to get some feedback that reporting the trolls and afkers works.

I submitted a report 60+ times and didn't see this message, yet.
super gg
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
January 19 2013 20:29 GMT
#38487
thanks for the reply
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
January 19 2013 20:30 GMT
#38488
@cecek, you're probably reporting people who don't deserve it ... -,-
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 19 2013 20:32 GMT
#38489
I've had tons of those messages. Think you maybe need to reevaluate what you are reporting for?
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 19 2013 20:41 GMT
#38490
On January 20 2013 05:28 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 04:49 chaokel wrote:
THANK YOU

We’ve recently taken action against one or more players you’ve previously reported for bad conduct. Thanks for your help in making the Dota 2 community a friendlier place.


Feels nice to get some feedback that reporting the trolls and afkers works.

I submitted a report 60+ times and didn't see this message, yet.

I think it's a bad sign that the first thing I did after reading this was to check the TL Report Queue in shock that there was a post so terrible it generated 60 reports. @.@

A question about DotA: What happened to Morphling? Kinda dropped off after TI2. I know he got nerfed hard but was it to the extent that he has no role in a team comp any more?
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
January 19 2013 20:41 GMT
#38491
Apparently racism and harassment aren't enough because I always report those guys and almost never get the message. And it's not once or twice either, but guys who do it all game. It's just the fact that most people don't really care so they don't get reported enough times for it to have any effect.
Religion: Buckethead
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 19 2013 20:42 GMT
#38492
Not sure what people are on, but while I was playing League I've never heard anyone shit talk anyone else for being a few ELO lower than them, especially considering you can go +- 100 usually. Maybe outside the game people will say shit like "lol are you like 800 ELO dude?" but then that's still blind unless they know you in game.
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 20:43:54
January 19 2013 20:42 GMT
#38493
he's making a comeback i think
edit: morphling i mean
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 19 2013 20:44 GMT
#38494
On January 20 2013 05:42 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Not sure what people are on, but while I was playing League I've never heard anyone shit talk anyone else for being a few ELO lower than them, especially considering you can go +- 100 usually. Maybe outside the game people will say shit like "lol are you like 800 ELO dude?" but then that's still blind unless they know you in game.

Did you play after LoLKing started becoming commonplace to use? People would actively dodge games where you don't pick one of your top 3 highest winrate heroes.
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toemn
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany915 Posts
January 19 2013 20:44 GMT
#38495
On January 20 2013 04:50 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 04:47 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Well swarm isn't really a skill you want to use often since it gives your opponents gold. I've always just gotten a single point in it for the vision it gives. What do you gain from maxing it early?

Higher damage, longer duration = more -armor, shorter CD (which is very noticeable).

At the point where you're maxing it second, its strength in teamfights becomes considerable, and you don't really care that it's giving gold. 8 second-long Swarm means the enemy can often wait it out if they engage/disengage properly. 20 second duration means you absolutely HAVE to kill the beetles or get wrecked by the damage/-armor.


beetles do damage? never noticed. i always used them to stall pushes when i attack a tower. 13-2 score with weaver so far. love this hero. :D
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 20:51:48
January 19 2013 20:49 GMT
#38496
On January 20 2013 05:44 toemn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 04:50 TheYango wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:47 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Well swarm isn't really a skill you want to use often since it gives your opponents gold. I've always just gotten a single point in it for the vision it gives. What do you gain from maxing it early?

Higher damage, longer duration = more -armor, shorter CD (which is very noticeable).

At the point where you're maxing it second, its strength in teamfights becomes considerable, and you don't really care that it's giving gold. 8 second-long Swarm means the enemy can often wait it out if they engage/disengage properly. 20 second duration means you absolutely HAVE to kill the beetles or get wrecked by the damage/-armor.


beetles do damage? never noticed. i always used them to stall pushes when i attack a tower. 13-2 score with weaver so far. love this hero. :D

Beetle damage and -armor is actually really strong. ESPECIALLY the -armor. Beetles apply -1 armor every time they attack up until the moment they die.

If the enemy team doesn't kill the beetles fast (awkward to do if you time your cast such that they have to deal with the beetles as the real fight is being engaged, and not just as a stalling skill), the -armor stacks very high. The key is you can't WASTE Swarm. You have to use it at a time when they have to choose between dealing with enemy heroes or dealing with the beetles, not just kill them off for free. If they choose to ignore the beetles, they take significant damage and the increasing stacks of -armor. If they focus on the beetles, well they just spent ~4 seconds doing nothing but attacking beetles.
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
January 19 2013 21:00 GMT
#38497
Well, you really can't 1 strength shotgun, cause you can't cast in waveform and you might die to stuns when you try it. Even if linkens carry morph was more common, the versatility, that you could go for the shotgun build was a very big part of why he was picked. He seems like a much more narrow hero now, even if farming with him might be a bit safer now with faster cast time.
super gg
Ratch!
Profile Joined June 2012
Peru258 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 21:02:14
January 19 2013 21:00 GMT
#38498
On January 20 2013 05:28 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 04:49 chaokel wrote:
THANK YOU

We’ve recently taken action against one or more players you’ve previously reported for bad conduct. Thanks for your help in making the Dota 2 community a friendlier place.


Feels nice to get some feedback that reporting the trolls and afkers works.

I submitted a report 60+ times and didn't see this message, yet.


Weeks ago I had this message poping like 4 days in a row. They do take care of some idiots.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
January 19 2013 21:01 GMT
#38499
On January 20 2013 05:49 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 05:44 toemn wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:50 TheYango wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:47 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Well swarm isn't really a skill you want to use often since it gives your opponents gold. I've always just gotten a single point in it for the vision it gives. What do you gain from maxing it early?

Higher damage, longer duration = more -armor, shorter CD (which is very noticeable).

At the point where you're maxing it second, its strength in teamfights becomes considerable, and you don't really care that it's giving gold. 8 second-long Swarm means the enemy can often wait it out if they engage/disengage properly. 20 second duration means you absolutely HAVE to kill the beetles or get wrecked by the damage/-armor.


beetles do damage? never noticed. i always used them to stall pushes when i attack a tower. 13-2 score with weaver so far. love this hero. :D

Beetle damage and -armor is actually really strong. ESPECIALLY the -armor. Beetles apply -1 armor every time they attack up until the moment they die.

If the enemy team doesn't kill the beetles fast (awkward to do if you time your cast such that they have to deal with the beetles as the real fight is being engaged, and not just as a stalling skill), the -armor stacks very high. The key is you can't WASTE Swarm. You have to use it at a time when they have to choose between dealing with enemy heroes or dealing with the beetles, not just kill them off for free. If they choose to ignore the beetles, they take significant damage and the increasing stacks of -armor. If they focus on the beetles, well they just spent ~4 seconds doing nothing but attacking beetles.


Did Swarm come after Weaver's ghosts skill (marchers?) was removed, or was there something else before Swarm?
ffxiv enjoyer
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 19 2013 21:05 GMT
#38500
On January 20 2013 06:01 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 05:49 TheYango wrote:
On January 20 2013 05:44 toemn wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:50 TheYango wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:47 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Well swarm isn't really a skill you want to use often since it gives your opponents gold. I've always just gotten a single point in it for the vision it gives. What do you gain from maxing it early?

Higher damage, longer duration = more -armor, shorter CD (which is very noticeable).

At the point where you're maxing it second, its strength in teamfights becomes considerable, and you don't really care that it's giving gold. 8 second-long Swarm means the enemy can often wait it out if they engage/disengage properly. 20 second duration means you absolutely HAVE to kill the beetles or get wrecked by the damage/-armor.


beetles do damage? never noticed. i always used them to stall pushes when i attack a tower. 13-2 score with weaver so far. love this hero. :D

Beetle damage and -armor is actually really strong. ESPECIALLY the -armor. Beetles apply -1 armor every time they attack up until the moment they die.

If the enemy team doesn't kill the beetles fast (awkward to do if you time your cast such that they have to deal with the beetles as the real fight is being engaged, and not just as a stalling skill), the -armor stacks very high. The key is you can't WASTE Swarm. You have to use it at a time when they have to choose between dealing with enemy heroes or dealing with the beetles, not just kill them off for free. If they choose to ignore the beetles, they take significant damage and the increasing stacks of -armor. If they focus on the beetles, well they just spent ~4 seconds doing nothing but attacking beetles.


Did Swarm come after Weaver's ghosts skill (marchers?) was removed, or was there something else before Swarm?

Watchers replaced by Urna Swarm in 6.61 (summoned beetles that can Burrow and suicide for a silence). Urna Swarm given to Nerubian Assassin in 6.67 and replaced by Swarm.
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