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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On January 20 2013 02:48 Kipsate wrote: Because it gives damage, a good aura, mana, hp, agility and a very good teamfighting active. It also has a very good buildup from a bracer. Just get two bracers then and save 700 gold. Or bracer yet another wraith band. There are better places to spend money. | ||
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SirMilford
Australia1269 Posts
On January 20 2013 02:53 Kipsate wrote: Then yes because you can teamfight very well with that while if you have a Radiance you will die very easily. Bear in mind that Radiance has an absolute shitty buildup, it is only good when you have complete freefarm. Due to the buildup you can fight even earlier while with a Radiance Weaver you will not be able to fight at all until you have the Radiance and even then you will die very easily. That is what i said above though, it depends on the state of the game etc. And the extra damage from the buildup of tranquils+drums means NOTHING in laning for fighting. It might mean for trading or living through ganks though. | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On January 20 2013 02:55 duoform wrote: http://www.cadred.org/News/Article/191506/ Holy shit mTw is dead.. Holy shit indeed. (I hated the format of that article, but whatever) | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 20 2013 02:57 igotmyown wrote: Just get two bracers then and save 700 gold. Or bracer yet another wraith band. There are better places to spend money. No? It's still a good item. Even if the % ms is not as good on you (it still is perhaps not for in-combat movement, but for map movement when you're not spamming Shukuchi to go places). It's also important for your team to have the % MS. You're forgetting that it's an aura, but the fact that you have max MS so often means its MORE important for your team to have a Janggo in order for them to keep up with your chasing/engagement ability. I wouldn't get one every game on Weaver (Drums+Wand+Aquila+Urn/Medallion is too many slots on early game items--usually only get one of either the Drums or the Aquila), but its not a bad item on Weaver. But yes as Kupon said, Urn is better than Medallion on Weaver unless there's another Urn carrier. Particularly with the smoothness of Weaver's disengage/re-engage (you can Urn yourself, Shukuchi out, then re-engage when the Urn has healed you up). On January 20 2013 02:57 igotmyown wrote: Just get two bracers then and save 700 gold. Or bracer yet another wraith band. There are better places to spend money. Weaver is pretty hard-pressed for slots early game. 2xBracer or Bracer+Wraith not really appropriate because of how early you're going to max out off the small items and have to sell something. | ||
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SirMilford
Australia1269 Posts
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On January 19 2013 23:08 Firebolt145 wrote: At this point I've fallen into the trap of tranquils + aquila + drums on every single agi hard carry out there. Yep I do this a lot. Not just hard carries, but the semi ones as well. Sometimes switch to treads later if needed. | ||
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10666 Posts
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On January 20 2013 03:08 TheYango wrote: No? It's still a good item. Even if the % ms is not as good on you (it still is perhaps not for in-combat movement, but for map movement when you're not spamming Shukuchi to go places). It's also important for your team to have the % MS. You're forgetting that it's an aura, but the fact that you have max MS so often means its MORE important for your team to have a Janggo in order for them to keep up with your chasing/engagement ability. I wouldn't get one every game on Weaver (Drums+Wand+Aquila+Urn/Medallion is too many slots on early game items--usually only get one of either the Drums or the Aquila), but its not a bad item on Weaver. But yes as Kupon said, Urn is better than Medallion on Weaver unless there's another Urn carrier. Particularly with the smoothness of Weaver's disengage/re-engage (you can Urn yourself, Shukuchi out, then re-engage when the Urn has healed you up). Weaver is pretty hard-pressed for slots early game. 2xBracer or Bracer+Wraith not really appropriate because of how early you're going to max out off the small items and have to sell something. It's an aura that doesn't stack, would rather have a teammate get it. Every item is helpful, that doesn't mean there isn't an opportunity cost. You could make the same movespeed argument for getting jango on nightstalker, or slardar, or lycan, or qop or am. | ||
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
G-League Season 2 has stopped appearing in my Tournaments list, so I can't watch the games anymore. Is this happening for anyone else? What can I do about it? edit: nvm it's back, weird. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 20 2013 04:13 igotmyown wrote: It's an aura that doesn't stack, would rather have a teammate get it. You're going to be able to get it before most of your teammates would want/be able to get it. By the time they get it, you'll be out of charges. On January 20 2013 04:13 igotmyown wrote: Every item is helpful, that doesn't mean there isn't an opportunity cost. You could make the same movespeed argument for getting jango on nightstalker, or slardar, or lycan, or qop or am. It actually IS good on Night Stalker and Slardar. It's situationally good on QoP. It'd be decent on Lycan if he weren't so pressed for early item slots already from the Medallion+Vlad's core that presents your Roshan threat. It's not good on AM for a totally different reason which is that he simply doesn't want to teamfight at the point in time where you'd be buying Janggo. On January 20 2013 04:13 Nightmarjoo wrote: If I'm running weaver as the farmer in easy lane I've been really liking going naked Perseverence. That alone almost gives you the mana regen to use shukuchi constantly, which means you don't have to waste money on boots at all. And while items like aquila and medalion are good/efficient items for early-game, they still don't scale well into lategame, cost gold that you could otherwise safe for a lategame item, and more importantly use up an item slot. Being able to spam shukuchi relatively early can accelerate your farm, and help you harass or push. From there you can make whatever you/your team needs. Can go for a damage item, such as making demon edge for mkb, or you can finish Linken's, etc. G-League Season 2 has stopped appearing in my Tournaments list, so I can't watch the games anymore. Is this happening for anyone else? What can I do about it? The thing is, going for an item development that beelines for a safe lategame doesn't suit Weaver's skill kit. And Perseverance is overkill as far as mana usage for Shukuchi goes, because it's only 60 mana. Smaller regen items (e.g. Aquila, Urn, Bottle) suit his needs much better. Weaver's strongest at several midgame timings (4 Shukuchi/4 Swarm, first major combat item, 10 sec BKB). He's not actually that strong of a lategame carry because his mode of combat is dependent on his Shukuchi/Geminate attack cooldowns--he's not a strong stand-and-fight DPS point because of his mediocre survivability stats. A farming item is not appropriate for a hero that needs to make use of his midgame teamfight strength. The equivalent would be to get Battlefury-first on Slardar. Yes the mana regen is nice to be able to spam Crush on lanes. Yes you can farm fast for lategame. But it doesn't suit you to push for lategame on a semicarry that's dependent on midgame performance to be able to seize control of the game. | ||
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Cool Cat
United States1644 Posts
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duoform
Spain5180 Posts
On January 20 2013 04:31 Cool Cat wrote: is 4 points in swarm worth it Beetle Duration: 8/12/16/20 Attack Damage: 15/20/25/30 Armor Reduced Per Attack: 1 Yep.. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8921 Posts
On January 20 2013 04:31 Cool Cat wrote: is 4 points in swarm worth it its normally the 2nd skill you max, sometimes even first. if youre maxing geminate first then youre playing weaver wrong | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 20 2013 04:33 duoform wrote: Beetle Duration: 8/12/16/20 Attack Damage: 15/20/25/30 Armor Reduced Per Attack: 1 Yep.. The CD reduction is also very noticeable. A couple ranks in Geminate are appropriate in some lanes (its a stronger laning skill than Swarm), which sometimes gives you something like a 2/4/2/1 split at level 9, but typically you do max Swarm 2nd. | ||
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
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