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akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 12:40:31
January 19 2013 12:40 GMT
#38401
I always thought you should go for a radiance if you:
i. have a good start
ii. have no close to instant positioning spell (blink/leap/etc.)
iii. are naturally tanky either by stat growth or by skills that help avoid/mitigate damage.
If all 3 points are met, why not go Radi?
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
January 19 2013 13:06 GMT
#38402
On January 19 2013 21:40 akatama wrote:
I always thought you should go for a radiance if you:
i. have a good start
ii. have no close to instant positioning spell (blink/leap/etc.)
iii. are naturally tanky either by stat growth or by skills that help avoid/mitigate damage.
If all 3 points are met, why not go Radi?

Those 3 points seem arbitrary, unless you build Radiance on Kunkka?

Radiance is a farming tool for illusion based heroes like PL and Naga, or heroes that will get the burn effect on many enemy heroes in teamfights, like Spectre.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Arcadia92
Profile Joined October 2012
135 Posts
January 19 2013 13:28 GMT
#38403
Since when did Medallion on weaver become a thing? I don't see the benefit of getting it at any stage in the game, irregardless of whether you're going "battle weaver". I still prefer the standard PT/Vit with Aquila, which should be much better in team fights against any competent teams.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
January 19 2013 13:32 GMT
#38404
On January 19 2013 22:28 Arcadia92 wrote:
Since when did Medallion on weaver become a thing? I don't see the benefit of getting it at any stage in the game, irregardless of whether you're going "battle weaver". I still prefer the standard PT/Vit with Aquila, which should be much better in team fights against any competent teams.

Mana regen, benefits weaver.
Minus armor, benefits weaver.
The negative effect from the medallion shouldn't be a problem for weaver at all since he wouldn't medallion someone if he's not able to get away in the first place(Time lapse, shukuchi).

Medallion is a cheap and cost-effecient item for mid-game battles with weaver.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Arcadia92
Profile Joined October 2012
135 Posts
January 19 2013 13:56 GMT
#38405
On January 19 2013 22:32 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 22:28 Arcadia92 wrote:
Since when did Medallion on weaver become a thing? I don't see the benefit of getting it at any stage in the game, irregardless of whether you're going "battle weaver". I still prefer the standard PT/Vit with Aquila, which should be much better in team fights against any competent teams.

Mana regen, benefits weaver.
Minus armor, benefits weaver.
The negative effect from the medallion shouldn't be a problem for weaver at all since he wouldn't medallion someone if he's not able to get away in the first place(Time lapse, shukuchi).

Medallion is a cheap and cost-effecient item for mid-game battles with weaver.


Okay. I should really try that out next time. Sometimes I'm very stubborn about old "stable" competitive builds.

I still feel though, that Medallion is more of a ganking item while Vit booster is the safer "here is an extra 500 hp" item that actually lets Weaver stand and fight and survive nukes, instead of Medallion, which will force him to run around and find good positioning. Hope you can see my reasoning. I guess it all comes down to team composition and initiation during the actual fight.
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
January 19 2013 13:58 GMT
#38406
Medallion's been a thing on weaver since medallion came out.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 14:10:59
January 19 2013 14:00 GMT
#38407
You are right on that Medallion doesn't offer any raw HP. Drums however do and since medallion is so cheap can be bought together with Medal. Others have also argued for Urn which I see work aswell.
WriterXiao8~~
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
January 19 2013 14:08 GMT
#38408
At this point I've fallen into the trap of tranquils + aquila + drums on every single agi hard carry out there.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-19 14:12:45
January 19 2013 14:11 GMT
#38409
medalion is ok on weaver, but just like most of the other times when using medalion, urn is a better pickup if your team doesn't have one

On January 19 2013 23:08 Firebolt145 wrote:
At this point I've fallen into the trap of tranquils + aquila + drums on every single agi hard carry out there.


you forgot wand and PMS TP for ultimate cheap efficient item collection
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
January 19 2013 14:21 GMT
#38410
I usually have a magic stick as well and obviously PMS if melee hero. I know PMS is situationally good on ranged but I don't get it anyway.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 19 2013 14:22 GMT
#38411
Feels like tranq are just too tempting to not get sometimes. It's like a crack addiction.
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
January 19 2013 14:47 GMT
#38412
Well the only real reason to get treads on a carry is to have enough hp with strength treads to not get bursted down by a nyx or something. You can usually make up for the lost attack speed with like drums.
duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
January 19 2013 14:50 GMT
#38413
Watching the SC2 crowd cheering so much at IEM I miss The International already. I wished more offline tournament had DotA man...
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 19 2013 14:52 GMT
#38414
http://www.cyborgmatt.com/2013/01/dota-2-replay-parser-bruno/

this is super sick.
WriterXiao8~~
Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
January 19 2013 15:31 GMT
#38415
On January 19 2013 23:47 RuskiPanda wrote:
Well the only real reason to get treads on a carry is to have enough hp with strength treads to not get bursted down by a nyx or something. You can usually make up for the lost attack speed with like drums.


Move speed for DK
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 19 2013 15:40 GMT
#38416
On January 19 2013 23:47 RuskiPanda wrote:
Well the only real reason to get treads on a carry is to have enough hp with strength treads to not get bursted down by a nyx or something. You can usually make up for the lost attack speed with like drums.

Also - tread switching.
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
January 19 2013 15:41 GMT
#38417
On January 19 2013 23:47 RuskiPanda wrote:
Well the only real reason to get treads on a carry is to have enough hp with strength treads to not get bursted down by a nyx or something. You can usually make up for the lost attack speed with like drums.


1. treads gives more attack speed than drums, significantly more.
2. treads switching saves a lot of resources.
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
January 19 2013 15:42 GMT
#38418
On January 19 2013 23:47 RuskiPanda wrote:
Well the only real reason to get treads on a carry is to have enough hp with strength treads to not get bursted down by a nyx or something. You can usually make up for the lost attack speed with like drums.

well drums give 14 +5 with active while threads is 38 if you use agi, its more like get tranquil if you need the regen otherwise I would always go for threads
duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
January 19 2013 15:55 GMT
#38419
http://www.facebook.com/OrangeEsports.DotA/posts/532932546727515

Y-God in Zenith now? No more Mushi? This is weird..
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
January 19 2013 16:28 GMT
#38420
I guess he was sticking with his 'I am never going to play with Mushi again' statement, and Orange is keeping Mushi instead of Yamateh. Oh well.
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