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On January 14 2013 04:13 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 04:04 Ack1027 wrote:On January 14 2013 02:49 Erasme wrote:
you don't need more than one point in leorics stun, it doesnt boost the stun duration and doesn't reduce the cd.
also i'll murder the next one who buy vanguard on ns 1 point stun leoric is probably one of the worst builds in all of dota. And by builds I mean trying to use math or whatever to justify your build. You should almost always max stun. People have this mentality way too much from chinese dota. They think every.single.carry benefits from tranquil, drums, and aquila regardless of the situation 100% of the time. I'm not saying you should be some maverick and try to be creative, cuz that's dumb too....but a good player has a middle ground for builds. Adjusting to the game is always highest priority over what is statistically the best or what seems creative. Why is it one of the worst build in all dota ? You still get the 2sec stun + 2sec stun, ofc you don't get the lousy upgrade in damage, but do you need it? Also tranq/aquila/drums are the best early/midgames items so if you use the maths, you should always build them..
Please state the alternative build to maxing stun.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
The nuke is mediocre, the alternatives are worse(even stats), best to level the nuke.
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I'd be kinda surprised if 3 extra stat levels or levels in crit that early would give equivalent damage increase to a maxed stun vs a 1-point stun.
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But what do you steal kills with if you don't max your stun? 
There's just no way around it
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first point in stun then you max crit in priority
You have a lower damage output in the laning phase, but once you have treads/armlet/stick(/midas) you crit for over 400damages with a vampiric aura of 30%
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On January 14 2013 04:35 Erasme wrote:
first point in stun then you max crit in priority
You have a lower damage output in the laning phase, but once you have treads/armlet/stick(/midas) you crit for over 400damages with a vampiric aura of 30%
So you're suggesting to drop the skill that's actually STRONG in laning phase for a skill that's good 10 minutes later when you have some items?
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How is it strong in laning phase when you can only use it twice at lvl 11 with wand ?
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On January 14 2013 04:45 Erasme wrote:
How is it strong in laning phase when you can only use it twice at lvl 11 with wand ?
It's stronger than critting without items, that's the idea.
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With SK I go
Stun
stats
stun
stats
stun
ulti
stun
aura
crit till maxed, aura till maxed (with another ulti at 11)
Is it any good?
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On January 14 2013 04:47 Incze wrote:
With SK I go
Stun
stats
stun
stats
stun
ulti
stun
aura
crit till maxed, aura till maxed (with another ulti at 11)
Is it any good?
That's what I'd consider best for most scenarios. The idea of stun is that it scales with levels, the crit scales with items. No point in getting crit before you have items. Also no point in getting aura at a time when you still want to control the lane properly.
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On January 14 2013 04:35 Erasme wrote:
first point in stun then you max crit in priority
You have a lower damage output in the laning phase, but once you have treads/armlet/stick(/midas) you crit for over 400damages with a vampiric aura of 30%
lol. I see you're a member of the fantasy land theory craft dota union.
On January 14 2013 04:47 Incze wrote:
With SK I go
Stun
stats
stun
stats
stun
ulti
stun
aura
crit till maxed, aura till maxed (with another ulti at 11)
Is it any good?
Ding ding ding.
Aura first or crit first depends, or even a 2-2 split.
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On January 14 2013 02:14 Solaris999 wrote:
Yep, they have the same problem with spanish and portuguese speakers, and even the occasional russian (who seem to be everywhere...)
Hahaha I just played 2 games on US east, first was ok, seconds theres...................................... yeah, you guessed it.
fml.
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On January 14 2013 05:03 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 04:35 Erasme wrote:
first point in stun then you max crit in priority
You have a lower damage output in the laning phase, but once you have treads/armlet/stick(/midas) you crit for over 400damages with a vampiric aura of 30% lol. I see you're a member of the fantasy land theory craft dota union. Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 04:47 Incze wrote:
With SK I go
Stun
stats
stun
stats
stun
ulti
stun
aura
crit till maxed, aura till maxed (with another ulti at 11)
Is it any good? Ding ding ding. Aura first or crit first depends, or even a 2-2 split.
You seem like a douchebag.
User was warned for this post
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On January 14 2013 05:03 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 04:35 Erasme wrote:
first point in stun then you max crit in priority
You have a lower damage output in the laning phase, but once you have treads/armlet/stick(/midas) you crit for over 400damages with a vampiric aura of 30% lol. I see you're a member of the fantasy land theory craft dota union.
i wish i was, that seems like a cool union.
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On January 14 2013 05:08 LSF wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:14 Solaris999 wrote:
Yep, they have the same problem with spanish and portuguese speakers, and even the occasional russian (who seem to be everywhere...) Hahaha I just played 2 games on US east, first was ok, seconds theres...................................... yeah, you guessed it. fml.
The best is when you get all three in the same game and nobody understands the others but they insist on flaming in their respective languages. The only solution is to alt tab and google some choice phrases to stoke the fire...
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On January 14 2013 03:51 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 03:35 Torte de Lini wrote:On January 14 2013 03:31 DrPandaPhD wrote:On January 14 2013 03:29 Torte de Lini wrote:
Is armlet ideal on Alchemist? It's ok. Generally you just want to get a ton of attack speed though. Your ult makes you very hard to kill and hit like a truck anyway. Should pretty much always get AC Mjollnir Abyssal and then the rest is situational. Boots is kind of personal preferance as well. I never know what to get after boots + midas. I never really liked midas on alch, he farms so fast anyway. Brown Boots + Power Stick -> maelstrom -> Phase -> AC -> bkb if needed -> Mjollnir -> Superbash -> Whatever That's kind of my pubbuild where the matches goes ok Brown boots -> Radience -> AC -> phase -> bkb if needed -> Mjollnir -> Superbash is the "I got free farm with alch woohoo build" You should only really join fights post AC. I dunno, not a great Alch player cause I find the hero boring but got quite high winrate with him.
I hate radiance so much, I feel it is so worthless.
Reactive remark, but I hate it.
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If you go Soul Ring on SkeleKing, maxing stun is normal.
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United States47024 Posts
Even if you don't it's normal.
On January 14 2013 04:45 Erasme wrote:
How is it strong in laning phase when you can only use it twice at lvl 11 with wand ?
Treads swap. With Treads swap you get 3 stuns in a fight, which you actually need like 3 crits to outperform damage-wise. And this is assuming your team has zero pairs of Arcane Boots, you didn't have an additional 10+ wand charges, and didn't buy another intel item like Drums.
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Crit is unreliable damage, if I wanted chance I would play CK or Ogre. 2 stuns with wand is more than enough if you use it wisely. You are not meant to "harass" with the stun, it is there to secure kills or to allow your team to escape. Also 1 point in Vampiric aura is surprisingly effective if you can control the creep wave to minimize its impact. Most of the time people expect you to run away when outnumbered, but you just can't really escape if 3 people are chasing you. That is why you turn around and whack them, try to not go down alone. Soul Ring is not needed unless you are either in a VERY VERY aggressive lane or facing off against certain heroes (commonly known as "homosexual mana vampires", you know who they are).
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
So what's with the "the game is now safe to leave, no stats will be reported." I just left a game before 10 minutes passed after one of my teammates got abandon already and have the game recorded as a loss.
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