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On January 09 2013 16:54 BlitzerSC wrote:
I don't understand what's up with the boner some pubbies have on HotD, that item is useless, imho. You don't need it to farm ancients and you can get a yasha over it which is 10x better and it's a piece of your next item which should always be Manta Style.
Its oldskool bro!
benefits of HotD -
Builds from a life regen(helm) item into life leech with bonus dmg & armor
-Guaranteed ease in jungling, no jungle camp shall lower your health.
-can be completed in side shops.
cons:
No stats.
Its a easy item for pubbies to like because its easy to build and easy to use(not including dominating a creep to stack ancient,most pubbies dont know that) Similar to Vlad Offering first item for many pubbies.
At least its a decent item. imagine if the guy went for Perservence first or something on Luna.
Yes it may not be optimal, but its still useful for pubbies who dont know how to play. It makes their life easier without needing to bother about regen.
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On January 09 2013 16:54 BlitzerSC wrote:
I don't understand what's up with the boner some pubbies have on HotD, that item is useless, imho. You don't need it to farm ancients and you can get a yasha over it which is 10x better and it's a piece of your next item which should always be Manta Style.
It's 20 damage, lifesteal, a bucket of armor and its part of one of the best lategame items.
Dominate can also be used for things beside ancient stacking, like a permanent roshan ward, making jungling faster, pushing, providing various buffs to your team(30% damage, 12% movement speed). It does not fit on every hero, but its a pretty amazing item for its cost.
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On January 09 2013 16:32 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Lunar blessing does not push the lane. It only affects heroes.
Sorry - it used to.
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Also as a note, In recent games pro's have been building HoD on luna before manta but after Yasha. It is not the worst item in the world and CAN help with pushes if you grab an aura creep.
Also the jungle part is completely true, after you take safelane tower the lane becomes pushed up to far to farm. So you go into jungle with a HoD while stacking ancients, farm the jungle untill the lane pushes back to your tower. And then clear that wave+go ancients. They can't contest the stack without re-pushing out your safelane and you get a huge boost of XP/Gold
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On January 09 2013 17:33 SirMilford wrote:
Also as a note, In recent games pro's have been building HoD on luna before manta but after Yasha. It is not the worst item in the world and CAN help with pushes if you grab an aura creep.
Also the jungle part is completely true, after you take safelane tower the lane becomes pushed up to far to farm. So you go into jungle with a HoD while stacking ancients, farm the jungle untill the lane pushes back to your tower. And then clear that wave+go ancients. They can't contest the stack without re-pushing out your safelane and you get a huge boost of XP/Gold
Which games are these? From what I recall most high level play Luna's (Zhou, Syllar, Pajjkat) go for the (now standard) build with:
Tranq
Drums
Wand/Stick
Aquila(optional, sometimes only drums since you get slotstarved really fast)
Yasha/BKB(sometimes Yasha first sometimes BKB first)
Manta
Butterfly
Then finish it up later with a Dominator/Satanic, I haven't seen a Luna get HoD really early, I may be mistaken though.
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On January 09 2013 16:32 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 16:30 Spit-wad wrote:
I often take 1-2 levels of glaives before maxing aura when I know I'll be spending some time in the jungle. Neutral camps have an average of 3 creeps, so just a couple levels in glaives can really accelerate jungling when you don't have a safe lane to farm.
Both lunar blessing and glaives will push the lane, which can often ruin the safe lane positioning near your tower. When it's a tough lane and you're too scared to jungle, you can also get 2 levels of stats early and start with aura/glaives at 8. Lunar blessing does not push the lane. It only affects heroes. Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 16:27 Testuser wrote:On January 09 2013 13:48 oneofthem wrote:
clearing ancients is generally thought to be less good than taking towers with the same hero and time commitment
if they're stacked (which you can do ezpz with hotd) it's quite worth the time invested. He is talking about the whole team clearing ancients.
my bad then. the whole team clearing ancients is a waste of time. at most 2-3 heroes should be doing it - even then I don't think that's smart.
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Are there any guides out there on diminishing returns which have figures of how ineffective stacking an item is? I'm curious about double vanguard (I build it on axe when I'm feeling bored) and wouldn't mind to see how things stack
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On January 09 2013 17:47 Scaramanga wrote:
Are there any guides out there on diminishing returns which have figures of how ineffective stacking an item is? I'm curious about double vanguard (I build it on axe when I'm feeling bored) and wouldn't mind to see how things stack
It's all simple math. 70% block+70% block=91% block chance. .7+.7*.3=.91
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United States47024 Posts
Anyone else have some weird connection time-out issues?
I just had a game where it would just error me out of game over and over. Happened at the worst possible times too (DC RIGHT WHEN ROSH DIES AND I NEED TO GRAB THE AEGIS). Didn't think it was my connection because Steam chat and Vent didn't have any hiccups or anything.
Kind of a shitty way to lose a game.
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Double vanguard axe 6.6x style!
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Northern Ireland1200 Posts
Thought vanguards didn't stack?
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On January 09 2013 18:16 Chewits wrote:
Thought vanguards didn't stack?
They don't, but if the first one doesn't proc then the second one can. You just don't get any stacking benefits if they both proc.
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Ofc they do, does it say anywhere they don't? It's that the only hero you'd even consider double vanguard on is axe, which is better of atm if he goes for mana items and spams battle hunger
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Don't even bother getting double vanguard on axe, its way too expensive and adds 21% more chance to block 40 damage, 250 hp and 6hp regen for 2225 gold
wooptie fucking doo.
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On January 09 2013 17:41 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 17:33 SirMilford wrote:
Also as a note, In recent games pro's have been building HoD on luna before manta but after Yasha. It is not the worst item in the world and CAN help with pushes if you grab an aura creep.
Also the jungle part is completely true, after you take safelane tower the lane becomes pushed up to far to farm. So you go into jungle with a HoD while stacking ancients, farm the jungle untill the lane pushes back to your tower. And then clear that wave+go ancients. They can't contest the stack without re-pushing out your safelane and you get a huge boost of XP/Gold
Which games are these? From what I recall most high level play Luna's (Zhou, Syllar, Pajjkat) go for the (now standard) build with: Tranq Drums Wand/Stick Aquila(optional, sometimes only drums since you get slotstarved really fast) Yasha/BKB(sometimes Yasha first sometimes BKB first) Manta Butterfly Then finish it up later with a Dominator/Satanic, I haven't seen a Luna get HoD really early, I may be mistaken though.
Not really early i am saying before the finished manta or just after. Hold up i will go look, i don't have a G-league ticket but i thought i saw pajkatt doing it? EDIT: He builds it after his manta/bkb but before butterfly when he versed LGD china game 2.
About all i could find it is really annoying watching twitch vods on awful internet.
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On January 09 2013 18:30 SirMilford wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 17:41 Kipsate wrote:On January 09 2013 17:33 SirMilford wrote:
Also as a note, In recent games pro's have been building HoD on luna before manta but after Yasha. It is not the worst item in the world and CAN help with pushes if you grab an aura creep.
Also the jungle part is completely true, after you take safelane tower the lane becomes pushed up to far to farm. So you go into jungle with a HoD while stacking ancients, farm the jungle untill the lane pushes back to your tower. And then clear that wave+go ancients. They can't contest the stack without re-pushing out your safelane and you get a huge boost of XP/Gold
Which games are these? From what I recall most high level play Luna's (Zhou, Syllar, Pajjkat) go for the (now standard) build with: Tranq Drums Wand/Stick Aquila(optional, sometimes only drums since you get slotstarved really fast) Yasha/BKB(sometimes Yasha first sometimes BKB first) Manta Butterfly Then finish it up later with a Dominator/Satanic, I haven't seen a Luna get HoD really early, I may be mistaken though. Not really early i am saying before the finished manta or just after. Hold up i will go look, i don't have a G-league ticket but i thought i saw pajkatt doing it? EDIT: He builds it after his manta/bkb but before butterfly when he versed LGD china game 2. About all i could find it is really annoying watching twitch vods on awful internet.
He couldn't afford a butterfly before they went high ground so he got HotD instead is a good explanation for that. He buys the HotD just before they take roshan and push highground to win the game.
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United States47024 Posts
I don't even know why you'd consider 2 Vanguards now when even 1 is situational.
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
On January 08 2013 22:50 Kipsate wrote:
hex is a tad more expensive and has a retarded buildup for a support. You can get it if you are like a kotl tho
i miss the days of euls into hex, made the Leon techies build so damn stronk
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On January 09 2013 19:25 TheYango wrote:
I don't even know why you'd consider 2 Vanguards now when even 1 is situational.
If you're going above 1 vanguard, you should go for 6. Becoming the vangod.
Edit: Are statis-traps triggered from enemies in euls? And can a unit be stunned by a statis trap whilst in euls? Was thinking blink euls on techies for a ganking style techies but stasis takes 2 seconds to activate and 2.5 is the duration of euls.
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On January 09 2013 17:57 TheYango wrote:
Anyone else have some weird connection time-out issues?
I just had a game where it would just error me out of game over and over. Happened at the worst possible times too (DC RIGHT WHEN ROSH DIES AND I NEED TO GRAB THE AEGIS). Didn't think it was my connection because Steam chat and Vent didn't have any hiccups or anything.
Kind of a shitty way to lose a game.
I had one yesterday and multiples freezes (not very long luckily)
might be because of new invites :D
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