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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
December 14 2012 23:14 GMT
#33601
On December 15 2012 06:21 CruelZeratul wrote:
What's the reason behind the decision to still have that Rosh imbalance in Dota2? His position is just so much better for Dire.


I think the last time the statistics were compiled from a series of tournaments, the dire/radiant winrates were basically 50-50. So to answer your question, because it's balanced (presumably in other ways)
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
December 14 2012 23:23 GMT
#33602
On December 15 2012 04:25 Dyme wrote:
How do you use hotkeys? I went full LoLtard and bound my items to 1-6, so now I don't really have control groups anymore (I have tab as control group for my hero and that's it).

Feels kinda suboptimal. Is there a general consensus on which hotkeys to use? Standard hotkeys?


I use:

zxc for top row (active items)
space for bottom left (usually boots)
alt+x, alt+c for bottom and bottom right (wards/tp/inactive items)
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
December 14 2012 23:23 GMT
#33603
Is goblin shredder used in competitive dota? In what way?
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 14 2012 23:28 GMT
#33604
On December 15 2012 08:14 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 06:21 CruelZeratul wrote:
What's the reason behind the decision to still have that Rosh imbalance in Dota2? His position is just so much better for Dire.


I think the last time the statistics were compiled from a series of tournaments, the dire/radiant winrates were basically 50-50. So to answer your question, because it's balanced (presumably in other ways)

Last time statistics were compiled I believe it was 60-40 Radiant-Dire since the changes (most people accused first pick for radiant being standard as the culprit here)
Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
December 14 2012 23:42 GMT
#33605
I honestly love the slight differences between radiant and dire. Last patch the pulling got completely out of hand and it was time for a change, but over all how things work out lend it being much more interesting a game. Especially as a queue player my hero preferences are affected by many of the subtle side differences. Example of this, axe jungle sucks on dire, pullers prefer dire ( since radiant middle camp was fixed) because of the small camp option, timbersaw mid prefers dire... and the list goes on.
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ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
December 14 2012 23:56 GMT
#33606
Didn't they make it harder to pull/stack now as well?
Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
December 15 2012 00:00 GMT
#33607
On December 15 2012 08:56 ControlMonkey wrote:
Didn't they make it harder to pull/stack now as well?


basically back to how it was in dota 1. If you were a d1 player and went to pull radiant you noticed how much easier it was for sure.
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Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
December 15 2012 00:05 GMT
#33608
On December 15 2012 08:42 Wysp wrote:
I honestly love the slight differences between radiant and dire. Last patch the pulling got completely out of hand and it was time for a change, but over all how things work out lend it being much more interesting a game. Especially as a queue player my hero preferences are affected by many of the subtle side differences. Example of this, axe jungle sucks on dire, pullers prefer dire ( since radiant middle camp was fixed) because of the small camp option, timbersaw mid prefers dire... and the list goes on.

Nevermore mid prefers radiant due to the easy of stacking and cleaning the easy camp, just to add another example.
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
December 15 2012 00:10 GMT
#33609
On December 15 2012 07:58 trinxified wrote:
Anyone feels like the first Ban Phase should be 3 instead of 2?

That would allow a bit more variety on heroes right?


ban phase was 3 and it was terrible. ban 2 is much much better as it lead to more diverse picks.
tpmraven
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States833 Posts
December 15 2012 00:21 GMT
#33610
On December 15 2012 04:13 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 04:09 Tunga wrote:
Is it me or is PRD not working like many people claim? I'm seeing just as much permabash and consecutive crits as before. For all I know Valve buffed these heroes without actually looking at the PRD formula used in WC3. Wouldn't surprise me with how many bugs are overlooked to this day.


PRD is a slight buff towards perma-bash (non-overlapping bashes aka bash-nobash-bash are more likely), but consecutive crits should be rarer. Rarer doesn't mean that they never happen.

I've definitely played against a few bashlord slardars post-patch though . Can't even BKB T_T


i play MoM Daed Furion, i feel that i crit less now then before. I only have a small sample size, but last night i was like "Wtf... why is everything not dying, does bkb block crit.... I dont think so... so wtf." Its not untill i read these posts that i realized why i might be criting less.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 15 2012 00:25 GMT
#33611
On December 15 2012 09:10 aintz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 07:58 trinxified wrote:
Anyone feels like the first Ban Phase should be 3 instead of 2?

That would allow a bit more variety on heroes right?


ban phase was 3 and it was terrible. ban 2 is much much better as it lead to more diverse picks.

I think it's hard to attribute the diverse picks to the banning changes. It arguably has just as much to do with the overall changes to the game in 6.75/6.76 rather than just the change to the banning order.
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 00:32:06
December 15 2012 00:27 GMT
#33612
Wow. Wtf. I thought I was noob enough to avoid this? MMR messed up?

I'm now playing against Dendi, Puppey and others in CM mode.

Someone try to find the game on live games list and see what page it's on?

EDIT: maybe these guys are posers LOL. Yeah they are.
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
December 15 2012 00:33 GMT
#33613
On December 15 2012 09:27 trinxified wrote:
Wow. Wtf. I thought I was noob enough to avoid this? MMR messed up?

I'm now playing against Dendi, Puppey and others in CM mode.

Someone try to find the game on live games list and see what page it's on?

EDIT: maybe these guys are posers LOL. Yeah they are.

hahaha
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
December 15 2012 00:57 GMT
#33614
On December 15 2012 09:27 trinxified wrote:
Wow. Wtf. I thought I was noob enough to avoid this? MMR messed up?

I'm now playing against Dendi, Puppey and others in CM mode.

Someone try to find the game on live games list and see what page it's on?

EDIT: maybe these guys are posers LOL. Yeah they are.

Ahahah! Elaborate prank...
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
December 15 2012 01:03 GMT
#33615
On December 15 2012 09:25 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 09:10 aintz wrote:
On December 15 2012 07:58 trinxified wrote:
Anyone feels like the first Ban Phase should be 3 instead of 2?

That would allow a bit more variety on heroes right?


ban phase was 3 and it was terrible. ban 2 is much much better as it lead to more diverse picks.

I think it's hard to attribute the diverse picks to the banning changes. It arguably has just as much to do with the overall changes to the game in 6.75/6.76 rather than just the change to the banning order.


Especially since the most popular heroes in competitive play were nerfed (Naga, Lycan, Morphling, Invoker)
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 15 2012 01:40 GMT
#33616
1, 2 for hero/control groups(I don't play chen meepo etc often)

3,4,5,6,G,Space.
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.AK
Profile Joined September 2010
United States561 Posts
December 15 2012 02:02 GMT
#33617
IMO, the only thing that your hotkeys really need is space for 2-3 control groups, especially coming from LoL where there is no control groups so you might not feel the need to have them. Even if you don't play Chen/Enchant/Meepo right now, switching your hotkeys around when you do play them is a serious pain. Also, having control groups are useful for some other things (controlling illusions and summons mostly). But mostly go with what fits your hand and comfort.
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Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
December 15 2012 02:15 GMT
#33618
Hmm. I guess I do it in a different way than everyone else.

I have C as the center on hero/select hero button, and then space as select everything else. Except for Meepo, I find that a quite comfortable setup to deal with any kind of micro for any hero. I guess Beastmaster does require a bit more, but then I'll just bind the Hawk to F3 or so.

Idk, I think my setup is pretty good.
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Tunga
Profile Joined August 2011
United States765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 03:53:43
December 15 2012 03:49 GMT
#33619
Let the festivities begin! Time to whore out on items again and hopefully it's a bit more interesting than ZzZiretide!

http://www.dota2.com/frostivus/

I always loved snow maps but they often hurt the eyes. Hopefully this'll be light in the eyes and I hope someone can find a way to make holiday maps your default map because I wanna play on a snow map forever!


EDIT: Someone made a thread on Frostivus ^^
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388223
Tunga
Profile Joined August 2011
United States765 Posts
December 15 2012 04:06 GMT
#33620
Sorry for double post but this is another big topic:

http://www.playdota.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=28

6.76c Changelog is not a sticky anymore. Expect 6.77 to come out within several hours.
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