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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 19:33:26
December 14 2012 19:31 GMT
#33581
There are a variety of options. I have yet to play meepo (multiple randoms of him have resulted in manning-down and repicking XD), but most other heroes I can control with 3 control groups. 1 = hero, 2 = minions/summons/bear/whatever, 3 = everything.

If you adopt a control scheme similar to that, you can bind F1 to your hero (I think this is default), and then use tab or capslock or similar for the other 2 groups (not sure about F2/F3 and being able to use them).

Note: Beastmaster is a special case because his bird and boar should always be controlled separately.

Keep in mind that the game remembers hotkeys for summoned units even if they die and you resummon them (for all summoned units like bear, treants, necro minions, etc). It doesn't work QUITE the same for chen/enchantress creeps, but with some practice you get used to them.

EDIT: yeah, if you are willing to relearn item hotkeys, bind them to Mouse4/5 and zxcv or similar. I use alt+qweasd but merlini recommends NOT using alt for items and I tend to agree with him (too lazy to relearn). That leaves 1-6 for control groups which is pretty optimal imo.
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
December 14 2012 19:32 GMT
#33582
I do alt + QWEASD for items.
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 19:33:16
December 14 2012 19:32 GMT
#33583
what works for you best should be the right option
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
December 14 2012 19:32 GMT
#33584
most progamers/tryhards dont use 1-6, however for me 1-6 is just fine since most heroes dont require control groups anyways.
Malky
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark44 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 19:36:13
December 14 2012 19:33 GMT
#33585
On December 15 2012 04:30 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 04:25 Dyme wrote:
How do you use hotkeys? I went full LoLtard and bound my items to 1-6, so now I don't really have control groups anymore (I have tab as control group for my hero and that's it).

Feels kinda suboptimal. Is there a general consensus on which hotkeys to use? Standard hotkeys?

Try the F keys for control groups if you can reach them


I use 1-6 for control groups, QWERDF for skills and ZXCVBN for items, works perfectly for me, and involves very little hand movement.

But im pretty sure its a person to person thing

EDIT: OD picked in a comp match, havent seen that in a long time oO
Windwaker
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany1597 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 19:35:29
December 14 2012 19:35 GMT
#33586
On December 15 2012 04:25 Dyme wrote:
How do you use hotkeys? I went full LoLtard and bound my items to 1-6, so now I don't really have control groups anymore (I have tab as control group for my hero and that's it).

Feels kinda suboptimal. Is there a general consensus on which hotkeys to use? Standard hotkeys?


you need the control groups for certain heroes(chen,ench,meepo, invoker)
most ppl i know are using ALT + qweasd
i prefer t;z;g;y;space and mouse5 for my slots tho
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Pseudoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1279 Posts
December 14 2012 19:42 GMT
#33587
On December 15 2012 04:33 Malky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 04:30 Qbek wrote:
On December 15 2012 04:25 Dyme wrote:
How do you use hotkeys? I went full LoLtard and bound my items to 1-6, so now I don't really have control groups anymore (I have tab as control group for my hero and that's it).

Feels kinda suboptimal. Is there a general consensus on which hotkeys to use? Standard hotkeys?

Try the F keys for control groups if you can reach them


I use 1-6 for control groups, QWERDF for skills and ZXCVBN for items, works perfectly for me, and involves very little hand movement.

But im pretty sure its a person to person thing

EDIT: OD picked in a comp match, havent seen that in a long time oO


I believe Orange picked it against DK recently.
Logic fails because we are lazy.
Makenshi
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden2105 Posts
December 14 2012 19:42 GMT
#33588
On December 15 2012 04:25 Dyme wrote:
How do you use hotkeys? I went full LoLtard and bound my items to 1-6, so now I don't really have control groups anymore (I have tab as control group for my hero and that's it).

Feels kinda suboptimal. Is there a general consensus on which hotkeys to use? Standard hotkeys?

i went with space for boots, it's really nice for phase boots just spam space, z x c v and uh mouse button 4 i think
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
December 14 2012 19:50 GMT
#33589
I personally use legacy and alt-QWEASD for items.
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RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
December 14 2012 19:54 GMT
#33590
On December 15 2012 04:42 Makenshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 04:25 Dyme wrote:
How do you use hotkeys? I went full LoLtard and bound my items to 1-6, so now I don't really have control groups anymore (I have tab as control group for my hero and that's it).

Feels kinda suboptimal. Is there a general consensus on which hotkeys to use? Standard hotkeys?

i went with space for boots, it's really nice for phase boots just spam space, z x c v and uh mouse button 4 i think


Really is a person to person thing. Generally, most people use Mouse4+Mouse5 for twitchy items (blink dagger/force staff/sheep) and another row for items that get used methodically as part of a combo.

I like using the f1-f3 keys and Z as my final. I do this because I use a Das keyboard w/o key markers, and if I am in a teamfight, I dont want to accidentally trigger my item when I am trying to do something else. Using the f1-f3 is right where the index, middle, and ring finger hit when you fully extend them.
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Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
December 14 2012 19:59 GMT
#33591
So happy they chose that Shadow Shaman set for the Polycount contest, I play more Shadow Shaman way too much and I'm stoked to waste some money soon on getting another outfit for my Rasta.
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Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
December 14 2012 20:34 GMT
#33592
Probably old news but team pennants are on sale again.
CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
December 14 2012 21:21 GMT
#33593
What's the reason behind the decision to still have that Rosh imbalance in Dota2? His position is just so much better for Dire.
myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
December 14 2012 21:27 GMT
#33594
Radiant has some lane advantages too (can pull from all lanes)... kinda,

Dunno if that should counter the rosh position for dire, probably not >_> *shrug*
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
December 14 2012 21:27 GMT
#33595
On December 15 2012 06:21 CruelZeratul wrote:
What's the reason behind the decision to still have that Rosh imbalance in Dota2? His position is just so much better for Dire.

Overall balanced by other factors.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 21:32:10
December 14 2012 21:31 GMT
#33596
First pick (vs Second Pick) has a higher winrate than Dire (vs Radiant). Because First pick is ussually Radiant, Radiant actually wins more than Dire. The advantage is smaller than the one for First Pick though, which probally means that Dire is indeed slightly better, it just doesn't matter that much.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
December 14 2012 21:44 GMT
#33597
On December 15 2012 06:21 CruelZeratul wrote:
What's the reason behind the decision to still have that Rosh imbalance in Dota2? His position is just so much better for Dire.

Because the map also has things that favor the radiant? It's not like dire has a massive win-percentage over the radiant, in fact radiant has the higher win percentage by a very small margin in DotA2. Both in pubs and competitive games.

And killing rosh was even nerfed last patch or so.
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ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
December 14 2012 22:34 GMT
#33598
And Lycan was nerfed.
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
December 14 2012 22:58 GMT
#33599
Anyone feels like the first Ban Phase should be 3 instead of 2?

That would allow a bit more variety on heroes right?
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 23:02:01
December 14 2012 23:01 GMT
#33600
On December 15 2012 07:58 trinxified wrote:
Anyone feels like the first Ban Phase should be 3 instead of 2?

That would allow a bit more variety on heroes right?

It used to be 3 until very recently at TI2. And tbh it was even more stagnant.
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