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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Pseudoku
Canada1279 Posts
Astral Imprisonment just gives so much time to deny the enemy solo mid of cs. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On December 11 2012 02:36 Qbek wrote: OD is great at midgame pushes and longer teamfights because his aura makes most heroes suddenly mana independent, I wish there were some strats done around that :/ I thought about that too, but its kinda situational. The problem is that ~2 missed procs on, say, an earthshaker and he doesn't have blink + ulti + stun combo anymore. And your team probably won't have as many manaboots because they have you for free mana. And OD doesn't bring much to the push itself other than maybe a mek or at least a nice ult in any teamfights that happen. With, say, a leshrac though it means the push never stops, its true. Add a Dazzle and you are in business, but I kinda feel like just KotL replaces the OD pretty effectively here, while heavily enabling a split pusher with his recall for the teamfight. My comment on "page 1-5 players vs TLIH players" was more a comment on Pseudoku being very good (or at least claiming it, and I'm willing to believe him) and my expectations of his ability to outplay opponents regardless of how good or bad the heros are. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
And while OD does bring a nice aura it doesn't actually help pushing towers down if the enemy can clear the creepwave through various means then you still can't push. | ||
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
Unless he's insanely fed, he's not much of a 1v5 type carry, he needs good support all game. | ||
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deichkind
Sweden347 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On December 11 2012 03:35 deichkind wrote: I want to see spectre. Why cant people pick spectre? )= I like spectre too, but the prospect of playing 4v5 for a looooooong time isn't really where it's at in "modern" Dota. The reason you can pick a faceless and farm him for 25-30 minutes is that after ~10 minutes of farm, any halfhearted attempt to gank him gets you chrono'd plus killed, and any serious attempt to gank him means leap away + tp and farm a different lane (or turns into a 5v5 where he chrono's you, ouch). Picking a spectre there results in either spectre running into trees + TP'ing every other minute to not die, or "5v5" teamfights where spectre contributes... a bunch of very pathetic illusions. The ease and rewards of ganking carries like spectre who can't turn on you preclude any picking of her (  ). Maybe if each player started at 4K gold...  | ||
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Incze
Romania2058 Posts
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On December 11 2012 03:43 Sn0_Man wrote: I like spectre too, but the prospect of playing 4v5 for a looooooong time isn't really where it's at in "modern" Dota. The reason you can pick a faceless and farm him for 25-30 minutes is that after ~10 minutes of farm, any halfhearted attempt to gank him gets you chrono'd plus killed, and any serious attempt to gank him means leap away + tp and farm a different lane (or turns into a 5v5 where he chrono's you, ouch). Picking a spectre there results in either spectre running into trees + TP'ing every other minute to not die, or "5v5" teamfights where spectre contributes... a bunch of very pathetic illusions. The ease and rewards of ganking carries like spectre who can't turn on you preclude any picking of her ( ). Maybe if each player started at 4K gold... desolate is really underrated although it probably won't be too useful in 5v5s, it still hurts when you Haunt | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On December 11 2012 03:35 deichkind wrote: I want to see spectre. Why cant people pick spectre? )= I love spectre, second most played hero. There is no reason to ever pick spectre. Want a uber late game carry? Phantom Lancer (can split push better + can win a lane with a KoTL), Medusa (more survivable and better flash farmer), Void (has huge teamfight ulty that is relevant all game long, can 1v1 better). Want someone who punishes a team for attacking them? Cent (even with anticipated nerfs, he'll still be tanky as hell) Axe (Axe is picked more in comp dota than spectre nowadays :D). Someone who benefits from ganking isolated heroes? (QoP, NS, Bounty, Bat...the list goes on) Someone who can dominate with an early Radiance? (Lone Druid, Naga, PL). As much as I love the hero, I don't think we would actually enjoy the kind of DoTA that would have Spectre as a common pick | ||
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Testuser
6469 Posts
It's true - Spectre is a cool hero and all, but he's just not good compared to the other hard carries. He's harder to farm with for the most part and he does less. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 11 2012 04:05 Klonere wrote: I love spectre, second most played hero. There is no reason to ever pick spectre. Want a uber late game carry? Phantom Lancer (can split push better + can win a lane with a KoTL), Medusa (more survivable and better flash farmer), Void (has huge teamfight ulty that is relevant all game long, can 1v1 better). Want someone who punishes a team for attacking them? Cent (even with anticipated nerfs, he'll still be tanky as hell) Axe (Axe is picked more in comp dota than spectre nowadays :D). Someone who benefits from ganking isolated heroes? (QoP, NS, Bounty, Bat...the list goes on) Someone who can dominate with an early Radiance? (Lone Druid, Naga, PL). As much as I love the hero, I don't think we would actually enjoy the kind of DoTA that would have Spectre as a common pick Spectre's really good with phase/drums maxing desolate. stops being a carry really unless you get mega fed but definitely influences the game very quickly and becomes terrifying. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
This means that if you go for a midgame build, you more or less have to snowball your way into a win, because you can't keep up your farming speed if the game stalls out and you don't have Radiance (which is why midgame builds sometimes transition back INTO Radiance with their midgame teamfight gold). This is workable in pub games, but in a competitive setting, the enemy team isn't going to just roll over and die like that. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
also for people who didnt see this before: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WuaSnl.jpg) large version: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3483/2012120100001v.jpg) | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
On December 11 2012 05:46 cilinder007 wrote: I dont get it Me neither, I require assistance of Cpt. Obvious. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Incze
Romania2058 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
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