EPTEDIT: Puck phase shift should dodge it though as well, right?
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
EDIT: Puck phase shift should dodge it though as well, right? | ||
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Erasme
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Firebolt145
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:46 Erasme wrote: I dont even think spin and rage does ... the damage should be applied before .. o.O need somebody who can test in game because I'm quite sure both spells have been used to avoid any damage from poor old silencer (me). New silencer's lane harass is pretty strong but as a hero he is still not very good. | ||
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Numy
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Erasme
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On December 10 2012 22:24 Kipsate wrote: Enchantress is actually quite popular in 1v1 solo mid competitions is she not? 1v1 solo mid involves no ganks | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:54 Numy wrote: Don't really know why this discussion is going on. OD is just really strong 1v1 but lacks escapes so just abuse that fact and don't 1v1 him. Even if you lose lane to OD hard, that shouldn't matter too much. His farm is slow, his mobility is low, he has no escape and no abilities that go through BKB, his right click range is balls anyways, just make sure that your "dumber" (low intelligence) heroes don't eat his ult, or that they grab BKB. OD is crushingly good in lane but just simply not a good hero. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
Just because a hero isn't good 24/7 doesn't make it a bad hero or not good hero, if Icefrog gives OD any more buffs i'm gonna cringe. | ||
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Qbek
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Kipsate
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but it almost never comes to that. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Plus, how do you get "very farmed" on OD? Winning lane hard (ofc) and then... Midas? Teamfighting? He just doesn't have a reliable way to get really farmed. I mean, if you can find the space for an OD to get super farmed, I can think of a lot of other heroes doing a lot more for you (especially through BKB). Sure, they don't all autowin 1v1s but they are in general much more well-rounded heroes (have initiation + escape tools, actually hurt with right clicks through BKB, etc). | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
Calling him not good and useless implies that he needs to be brought up to par, and he doesn't need a buff of any sorts. And getting a BKB on 1-2 of your heroes doesn't just mystically magically win you the teamfight. There are still other targets and BKBs eventually only last 5 seconds. | ||
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
On December 11 2012 01:18 Sn0_Man wrote: OD needs to be a HELL of a lot of items ahead of you to be scary, or else you just have BKB and he just discovers why his hero is useless. Plus, how do you get "very farmed" on OD? Winning lane hard (ofc) and then... Midas? Teamfighting? He just doesn't have a reliable way to get really farmed. I mean, if you can find the space for an OD to get super farmed, I can think of a lot of other heroes doing a lot more for you (especially through BKB). Sure, they don't all autowin 1v1s but they are in general much more well-rounded heroes (have initiation + escape tools, actually hurt with right clicks through BKB, etc). not that true. OD for me only needs 1 rod of Atos & 1 forcestaff and i can do a lot of right click damage. BKB are a counter yes, but after a few more times, BKB last only 5secs..im sure you can find ways NOT to engage during that 5secs. And its not hard for a OD to get farm. With max aura, he can spam his orb on autocast and not have his mana drop. That makes for extremely fast farming. | ||
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
Other thing is.. OD ulti.. , only im thinking its very strong in team fights ? , sure you dont use it on casters.. , but heroes like axe , jugg , PA etc etc..all of them are low int heroes.. and.. Astral Imprisonment ? Can lock any enemy hero for 4sec , with just 18 sec CD | ||
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RuskiPanda
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Pseudoku
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On December 11 2012 02:14 RuskiPanda wrote: The problem with all those scenarios is you're assuming OD gets to autoattack freefarm to get all these nice items and then contribute to teamfights but whenever I see OD mid in game he just gets repeatedly ganked by a strong roaming support or jungle so his 1v1 specialty means squat. Heh, TLers at a TLIH didn't seem to do squat to my solo mid OD - their ganks just got turned around on them. Pretty much 1v2 he's fine with because of AI. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On December 11 2012 01:35 Mithhaike wrote: not that true. OD for me only needs 1 rod of Atos & 1 forcestaff and i can do a lot of right click damage. BKB are a counter yes, but after a few more times, BKB last only 5secs..im sure you can find ways NOT to engage during that 5secs. And its not hard for a OD to get farm. With max aura, he can spam his orb on autocast and not have his mana drop. That makes for extremely fast farming. He doesn't have splash nor can he farm ancients because ancients are immune to magic. He can't farm jungle stacks or clear waves as fast relative to other heroes because of no splash. Lastly because he has no splitpush capability. AM can Jump, Void can Jump(and chrono if really needed). Naga Siren sleep, Sillybear doesn't even have to be there if he has radiance, same for PL etc. Also notice that because of the way OD works, he can't push down towers quickly(because towers are imuun to magic aswell). OD can't play very well from behind, if he gets ganked in lane or his team gets behind he can't find space to farm nor participate because he is so item dependant. OD is very scary when farmed but he is right, it is incredibly hard to GET farmed as an OD. Moreover BKB last 10 seconds, not every BKB drops down to 5 as fast and finding ways not to engage during those 5-10 seconds can be hard if you don't have any escapes apart from perhaps a force staff, which if you have a BKB aswell you can't even activate. He is not useless by any means, but there is a good case to be made as to why he is not picked more often. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
EDIT: On December 11 2012 02:20 Pseudoku wrote: Heh, TLers at a TLIH didn't seem to do squat to my solo mid OD - their ganks just got turned around on them. Pretty much 1v2 he's fine with because of AI. If I had to guess, I'd say page 1-5 players are not really comparable with TLIH players, but I've never got in one (they seem to happen at EU times, while I'm at work  ) | ||
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Pseudoku
Canada1279 Posts
On December 11 2012 02:29 Sn0_Man wrote: There is also a small disconnect with respect to what "farmed" means. While I admit to being terrible, "Farmed" to me does not mean a 45 minute Sheepstick/Force Staff. You are 15 mins late at least. The thing is, OD farms at pub speed, even controlled by excellent players. Whereas AM/void/PL/Luna/Gyro/etc farm at a speed that corresponds directly to the player's skill (and support, obviously). OD needs to somehow get REAL farm, on a hero that doesn't have a mechanism that allows that. Obviously his orb lets him "farm" but that isn't the same as a bfury blinking carry or a luna etc. Eh, his orb and ulti are great for farming heroes. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
If I had to guess, I'd say page 1-5 players are not really comparable with TLIH players, but I've never got in one (they seem to happen at EU times, while I'm at work )I would say pubs or pub inhouses are not really comparable to competitive play. | ||
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