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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On December 05 2012 18:11 Testuser wrote: They actually brought this up. The item in itself gives a lot more than a hex: +10 str +10 agi +35 int +150% manaregen So, there's a lot more than just a hex. Also, the item ability has a bigger range (800 compared to 500) - hence Puppey argued that it'd be at most a 2 point something k item. Although nothing of what he said is set in stone, I think there's a great deal of truth behind it. He argued that Empower giving 50% damage and 50% cleave would be worth 6-7k (I think), compared to BF which gives a flat +65 damage and 35% cleave. Empower also frees up a slot and can be cast at three heroes simultaneously. Again, he might've been raging a bit, and it's not clear cut numbers, but I do think he has a valid point. hero hexes are on way shorter cd, if you were buying hex (literally just the hex no stats) for 2k that'd be pretty broken anyways i just meant that comparisons to items is dumb lol | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On December 05 2012 18:11 Testuser wrote: They actually brought this up. The item in itself gives a lot more than a hex: +10 str +10 agi +35 int +150% manaregen So, there's a lot more than just a hex. Also, the item ability has a bigger range (800 compared to 500) - hence Puppey argued that it'd be at most a 2 point something k item. Although nothing of what he said is set in stone, I think there's a great deal of truth behind it. He argued that Empower giving 50% damage and 50% cleave would be worth 6-7k (I think), compared to BF which gives a flat +65 damage and 35% cleave. Empower also frees up a slot and can be cast at three heroes simultaneously. Again, he might've been raging a bit, and it's not clear cut numbers, but I do think he has a valid point. hes raging or hes trolling empower isnt that big of a deal compared to his other tools, if you nerfed skewer and shockwave back to 6.75 and then nerfed reverse polarity back to 6.63 levels and then changed skewer to dota1 behavior NOBODY would even think of picking magnus and try putting prices on spells like: antimages blink sven storm bolt (as somebody has already pointed out) fissure ice path meat hook spiked carapace shukuchi spin web surge tidebringer shackleshot wind run teleportation venomous gale holy persuasion devour ... (avoiding ultimates... and delibrately avoiding top 5 bans) the point is putting prices to spells is an incredibly incredibly stupid idea and shouldnt be considered when thinking about balance | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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Testuser
6469 Posts
On December 05 2012 18:25 rabidch wrote: hes raging or hes trolling empower isnt that big of a deal compared to his other tools, if you nerfed skewer and shockwave back to 6.75 and then nerfed reverse polarity back to 6.63 levels NOBODY would even think of picking magnus and try putting prices on spells like: antimages blink sven storm bolt (as somebody has already pointed out) fissure ice path meat hook spiked carapace shukuchi spin web ... the point is putting prices to spells is an incredibly incredibly stupid idea and shouldnt be considered when thinking about balance I'm just bring up what he said, and I do agree with quite a bit of it. I think empower is quite a bit too strong. Sure, you could partly handle it by nerfing skewer and shockwave, but yeah. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
last i saw it was a 4v3 and he had manta style and double killed ta and drow lol | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
The sudden buffs to heroes I feel is Icefrog's new way of telling everyone that these heroes are pretty good in their own way. Before you had these sleeper heroes that were probably going to make a splash in the meta at some point but pros were either naive or lazy in implementing them into strategies. Dark seer was one of these sleeper heroes that got buffed slowly, like they were suggesting on talkdota, but no one cared about until he was noticeably overbuffed. Perhaps it'd be a bit too hectic if similar situations happened frequently. The only thing real problem is that there aren't stable versions like in wc3 DotA. There's an option to switch versions when you create games so I'm not exactly sure why stable versions haven't been established and all tournaments are using the latest. Balance wise though, I don't see how people can abandon the work Icefrog has done over years in one or two patches. The man has been proven time and time again to be reliable. In Icefrog I trust. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
And the biggest issues are indeed not on -CM right now. Magnus is the exception, but that's also because he got buffed by Dota 2, which is a diferent problem. And I don't think anyone is saying IceFrog lost his touch, or that this version is complete shit and Dota is doomed, there are good and patches, as happens on everything, and the latest patch seems to have some issues. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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DrPandaPhD
5188 Posts
On December 05 2012 19:36 Itsmedudeman wrote: I don't see how it has issues if the balance is just different, not skewed towards horribly imbalanced. Magnus JUST became relevant I might add. He wasn't even blatantly OP when he was added and it took a while for people to catch on. I'd even rate TA above him. This is definitely one of the most balanced versions of dota 2 as of late, and any OP heroes are pretty easily covered in the banning phase. Dark seer, TA, bat, magnus. Sven is highly overrated as a hard carry imo and will die down a bit as more people come to realize it. He's not even top ban/pick in china right now. Also to add with Magnus just becoming relevant is that Sven was barely picked before DreamHack and now he's top tier. Heroes gets discovered etc and there will still be new heroes getting picked up when people find how useful they are. I think Puppey is just angry because he has less success this meta, which is very understandable. But he can't really blame it on balance, because unlike StarCraft, you can pick the heroes yourself. It's not like he's stuck with the same heroes (like you are stuck with your race in SC). If he think Sven is THAT overpowered, then either ban or pick him.. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
It's likely also because he isn't doing well, but perhaps the fact he doesn't like the current state of the game also has an effect on that, if you convince yourself that there is something wrong with the game, it does affect your performance. I think, or at least I would like to believe, that when Puppey says the hero is broken he means conceptually, at least partially, that this kind of thing isn't good for Dota. Doesn't mean he is right, but QQing about OP heroes just doesn't make that much sense, there have always been OP heroes and the format of a Dota game means they don't matter that much. | ||
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Implenia
Austria3846 Posts
http://media.steampowered.com/apps/dota2/posts/medusa_full.jpg This is a Warning! Please do not post memes. Here is a preview picture of medusa: http://media.steampowered.com/apps/dota2/posts/medusa_full.jpg Thanks in advance for your cooperation, KadaverBB (Do not reply to this message. No one will receive it.) holy shit just look at the url maybe next time before you decide to blindly mod again... | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On December 05 2012 20:20 Implenia wrote: Here is a preview picture of medusa: http://media.steampowered.com/apps/dota2/posts/medusa_full.jpg reported. jk but please valve make medu looks at least as awesome as naga! | ||
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Implenia
Austria3846 Posts
On December 05 2012 20:22 BurningSera wrote: reported. jk but please valve make medu looks at least as awesome as naga! Valve uploads the pictures with the same url for the patches and one of the beta testers is always the first one to post them on reddit. I love how someone put in the effort to mess with him :D | ||
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Implenia
Austria3846 Posts
http://dota2.sgamer.com/albums/201211/7851_319548.html Perfect World: http://dota2.sgamer.com/albums/201212/7853_319561.html | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
On December 05 2012 21:17 Implenia wrote: Dendi at WCG http://dota2.sgamer.com/albums/201211/7851_319548.html Perfect World: http://dota2.sgamer.com/albums/201212/7853_319561.html ah all those hot chinese ladies~ my eyesight just improved | ||
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