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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 08:45:56
November 28 2012 08:41 GMT
#31141
tide kinda fill this role and his laning is much stronger.
and you don't want to give rubick burrowstrike
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
November 28 2012 10:03 GMT
#31142
What is this facerush I keep reading about?

I assume its the ganking agressive team comps with lots of trilaning common in the last few weeks?
fleeze
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany895 Posts
November 28 2012 10:34 GMT
#31143
just read that khaldor will be co-casting Dota2 WCG along with Toby. (german source)

will be interesting to see how he will do in Dota.
Toby as Co-Caster in WC3 should be interesting too. The WC3 Tourney is stacked with WC3 legends Sky, Lyn, Moon, Remind, Fly100%, etc. probably the best competition for a WCG tourney this year.
sad that there are so many Dota2 teams unable to participate.

Reap_
Profile Joined September 2011
Brunei Darussalam760 Posts
November 28 2012 10:36 GMT
#31144
On November 28 2012 19:34 fleeze wrote:
just read that khaldor will be co-casting Dota2 WCG along with Toby. (german source)

will be interesting to see how he will do in Dota.
Toby as Co-Caster in WC3 should be interesting too. The WC3 Tourney is stacked with WC3 legends Sky, Lyn, Moon, Remind, Fly100%, etc. probably the best competition for a WCG tourney this year.
sad that there are so many Dota2 teams unable to participate.


Me too. Though you can find Khaldor casting Dota 2 in the early beta on his youtube page.
www.twitter.com/raginreap | First Departure, Orange, Na`Vi, Mouz and Zenith
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
November 28 2012 10:39 GMT
#31145
On November 28 2012 19:34 fleeze wrote:
just read that khaldor will be co-casting Dota2 WCG along with Toby. (german source)

will be interesting to see how he will do in Dota.
Toby as Co-Caster in WC3 should be interesting too. The WC3 Tourney is stacked with WC3 legends Sky, Lyn, Moon, Remind, Fly100%, etc. probably the best competition for a WCG tourney this year.
sad that there are so many Dota2 teams unable to participate.



Toby is never casting wc3 and khaldor is never casting dota2

Toby cast dota, khaldor cast warcraft 3
fleeze
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany895 Posts
November 28 2012 10:40 GMT
#31146
On November 28 2012 19:39 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 19:34 fleeze wrote:
just read that khaldor will be co-casting Dota2 WCG along with Toby. (german source)

will be interesting to see how he will do in Dota.
Toby as Co-Caster in WC3 should be interesting too. The WC3 Tourney is stacked with WC3 legends Sky, Lyn, Moon, Remind, Fly100%, etc. probably the best competition for a WCG tourney this year.
sad that there are so many Dota2 teams unable to participate.



Toby is never casting wc3 and khaldor is never casting dota2

Toby cast dota, khaldor cast warcraft 3


read the article.
it clearly states they will be co-casting each other.
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
November 28 2012 10:58 GMT
#31147
On November 28 2012 19:03 ControlMonkey wrote:
What is this facerush I keep reading about?

I assume its the ganking agressive team comps with lots of trilaning common in the last few weeks?


It simply means lineups that are capable of diving, like NS/RK.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
November 28 2012 11:00 GMT
#31148
On November 28 2012 17:05 synapse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 16:57 Velr wrote:
On November 28 2012 14:38 trinxified wrote:
On November 28 2012 13:55 Klonere wrote:
Man Drow Aura is the most annoying shit in the world. If you get behind on towers at all early game and don't have a team capable of lighting fast push its pretty much game over if the other team is even close to competent. Arhhggggggggg


Drow in general is OP in pubs. No team work means it's pretty hard to kill her.


Then why aren't Sniper, Shadow Fiend, Viper and next to every other range-carry (or actually, every carry that you need to chaindisable) dominating pubs?

Maybe because their not as overpowered....


My guess would be:
The "free" Agigain lets every retard get decent dmg/ias --> leads to decent farm and decent laning/skirmish power no matter how bad you play....

I mean yeah, you hit like 110 damage at level six with barely any items...

Yesterday I obsed a game with a drow and a luna, luna had 96+96 at level 8 TT
Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
November 28 2012 11:09 GMT
#31149
Dendis UA team is going to WCG after some initial passport problems:

igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
November 28 2012 12:20 GMT
#31150
On November 28 2012 17:01 BlitzerSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 16:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
Anyone notice how sandking, shadow demon, rhasta, panda etc. aren't seeing much competitive play anymore? None of these heroes were really nerfed at all (I guess SD took a slight mana nerf), but I suppose the buffs to lots of heroes (i.e. jakiro) and the change in the draft and tendency toward usage of heroes like magnus probably changed a lot more in terms of picks than I'd have expected.


Sand King -> I don't know why people keep playing him as support, they should farm him for the first 10 minutes so he can get a blink dagger and dominate the early/mid game. Support SK is pretty much useless, imho. He will never be able to get an Epicentre off because of the amount of disables.

Shadow Demon -> Good roamer, but right now the meta seems to be "trilane vs trilane let's see who can farm our carry faster" so... yeah.

Rhasta -> I don't know man, to me it seems that he is getting picked a lot more often now.

Panda ( do you mean brewmaster or storm ? I guess brew ) -> DK picks him from time to time and he is not a bad hero. Also he got nerfed pretty hard because his "Brewlings" can now be trapped by a blackhole, which is a big deal.

On other hand Crystal Maiden isn't getting picked anymore and her sister, Lina, is seeing a lot more play than her.
Same with Anti-Mage... no more fun for him ahahahah.

Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 16:57 Velr wrote:
On November 28 2012 14:38 trinxified wrote:
On November 28 2012 13:55 Klonere wrote:
Man Drow Aura is the most annoying shit in the world. If you get behind on towers at all early game and don't have a team capable of lighting fast push its pretty much game over if the other team is even close to competent. Arhhggggggggg


Drow in general is OP in pubs. No team work means it's pretty hard to kill her.


Then why aren't Sniper, Shadow Fiend, Viper and next to every other range-carry (or actually, every carry that you need to chaindisable) dominating pubs?

Maybe because their not as overpowered....


My guess would be:
The "free" Agigain lets every retard get decent dmg/ias --> leads to decent farm and decent laning/skirmish power no matter how bad you play....


Her aura is OP as fuck, even the shittiest support gets a fuckton of damage just from that. Also I'm surprised that people still build crits on her. Just stack eaglesongs and gg.
Drow plus support Vengeful spirit is just retarded.

Right now the most picked supports are undying (kind of), jakiro, leshrac, rubick, chen, then maybe kotl and enigma, wisp. Aside from undying who's just ridiculous in trilanes, most of them are ranged and can hold people in place with a disable (aoe too).

SK's a very good antipush hero, but it's more of a killing metagame than a pushing metagame now. And he's melee, and if he burrow strikes he has to commit vs a bounty hunter.

Rhasta sees play when a lot of the other supports are taken/banned, but his problem is that he doesn't have an aoe disable which helps a lot against dives, and he needs levels so trilaning vs trilaning isn't so good.

SD is good for a defensive trilane, though most of the carries can initiate (ck, sven, even void) for a followup stun, while sd offensively is the initiator.

Panda's not a late game carry, although he can get a lot of kills with his ult. But he won't lane well vs the common bat or ta mid, so if those get banned it's usually going to be a nightstalker or qop. He can't offensive trilane vs an undying and ice path is pretty bad for him. But it can work if you're willing to force a lot of fights.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 12:41:49
November 28 2012 12:33 GMT
#31151
Drow+TA
Drow+Gargoyles
Drow+Windrunner

etcetc.

SK can't counterpush unless they leave him to do so, he has no ranged clearing ability, clearing creepwaves means he must melee them.
WriterXiao8~~
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
November 28 2012 12:41 GMT
#31152
looking for a good riki guide. any recommendation?
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
November 28 2012 12:44 GMT
#31153
Get some farm early on by laning in the safe lane and get up treads, possibly drums and a quick diffusal.
Now you roam and harvest kills with smoke+diffusal.
Get BKB if needed and eventually get items such as butterfly, upgrade diffusal, manta and teamfight when possible because dat smoke screen.
Riki isn't very effective when just farming IMO, gotta get active and grab the midgame where your power lies.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
November 28 2012 13:05 GMT
#31154
Is there anyone else on sea who isn't a spud, tries to play the best dota he can every game and doesn't get angry? I can't seem to find anyone to play dota with. I have limited people who I play dota with and they all get angry and I just cannot stand playing solo
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 13:25:49
November 28 2012 13:07 GMT
#31155
JD got some WCG venue pics up

http://www.joindota.com/en/gallery/71-wcg-grand-final-2012-day-1

say what you want about everything else, but the venue is looking pretty awesome!
RageBot
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel1530 Posts
November 28 2012 13:24 GMT
#31156
On November 28 2012 16:57 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 14:38 trinxified wrote:
On November 28 2012 13:55 Klonere wrote:
Man Drow Aura is the most annoying shit in the world. If you get behind on towers at all early game and don't have a team capable of lighting fast push its pretty much game over if the other team is even close to competent. Arhhggggggggg


Drow in general is OP in pubs. No team work means it's pretty hard to kill her.


Then why aren't Sniper, Shadow Fiend, Viper and next to every other range-carry (or actually, every carry that you need to chaindisable) dominating pubs?

Maybe because their not as overpowered....


My guess would be:
The "free" Agigain lets every retard get decent dmg/ias --> leads to decent farm and decent laning/skirmish power no matter how bad you play....


Because they don't have a slow that works 100% of the time? (or viper does have?)
When playing as drow I can win solo against pretty much every hero early game (against noobs) because I just kite them with her frost something.
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
November 28 2012 13:28 GMT
#31157
On November 28 2012 22:24 RageBot wrote:
Because they don't have a slow that works 100% of the time? (or viper does have?)
When playing as drow I can win solo against pretty much every hero early game (against noobs) because I just kite them with her frost something.


On November 28 2012 22:24 RageBot wrote:
When playing as drow I can win solo against pretty much every hero early game (against noobs) because I just kite them with her frost something.


On November 28 2012 22:24 RageBot wrote:
(against noobs)


User was warned for this post
SirMilford
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1269 Posts
November 28 2012 13:42 GMT
#31158
On November 28 2012 22:05 Scaramanga wrote:
Is there anyone else on sea who isn't a spud, tries to play the best dota he can every game and doesn't get angry? I can't seem to find anyone to play dota with. I have limited people who I play dota with and they all get angry and I just cannot stand playing solo


Hey man chuck us an ad, + Show Spoiler +
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I am not that bad at dota, never rage and usually play pretty well.

And ye im sick of my mates getting angry aswell, actually trying to teach them to workout or something to calm down but it isn't working.
SirMilford
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1269 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 13:47:54
November 28 2012 13:47 GMT
#31159
On November 28 2012 21:44 Unleashing wrote:
Get some farm early on by laning in the safe lane and get up treads, possibly drums and a quick diffusal.
Now you roam and harvest kills with smoke+diffusal.
Get BKB if needed and eventually get items such as butterfly, upgrade diffusal, manta and teamfight when possible because dat smoke screen.
Riki isn't very effective when just farming IMO, gotta get active and grab the midgame where your power lies.

Also although everyone is this thread will detest me for saying this, grab an Orb of venom while in lane. It will help you early on before you get diffusal, sell when you get your diffusal though.

EDIT: Sorry double post.
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
November 28 2012 13:58 GMT
#31160
Indeed I'm inclined to detest you for that but if you want something to assist in laning a pms would be a better choice. It won't be a wasted item sold for half price. It would be giving more damage and has damage block, it only lacks the very minor slow.
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