EPT@Qbek nubs don't know wtf SS is either. And I didn't until this discussion.
More edits: I also don't mind 1141 (aka best veno build) but that doesn't really clarify the order you get them in, which can be very important.
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
@Qbek nubs don't know wtf SS is either. And I didn't until this discussion. More edits: I also don't mind 1141 (aka best veno build) but that doesn't really clarify the order you get them in, which can be very important. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 31 2012 06:50 Skullflower wrote: Who is honestly going to be confused if you say "Skill E first on lane" or whatever because it's always the 3rd skill. People who don't remember the order of the 4 skills? It's not inconceivable that you wouldn't remember the order of the first 3 skills if you've only played the hero once. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On October 31 2012 06:53 Sn0_Man wrote: @NB not getting level 2 invoke at level 7 might be dubious, but I suppose if you don't need 2 spells to kill your lane... I mean, I agree, the potential is there. Seems easier with enigma though because he can already do it at ~level 7 with a Medallion. @Qbek nubs don't know wtf SS is either. And I didn't until this discussion. More edits: I also don't mind 1141 (aka best veno build) but that doesn't really clarify the order you get them in, which can be very important. That's why when presenting a build you type in full names, I'm just a lazy fucker presenting a draft of skill build presentation. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
How do you describe what Battle Hunger does in 1 word? | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On October 31 2012 06:58 TheYango wrote: The first example I can think of where 1-word descriptions could be awkward is Axe. How do you describe what Battle Hunger does in 1 word? nuke or dot | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
strongest non ult in the game, imba must nerf annoying piece of .. axe easy top 3 most annoying hero to face | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Shai
Canada806 Posts
On October 31 2012 06:53 TheYango wrote: People who don't remember the order of the 4 skills? It's not inconceivable that you wouldn't remember the order of the first 3 skills if you've only played the hero once. I have played 1200 hours of Dota 2, and more than twice that many hours of Dota 1. I have no clue what order the skills are for the vast majority of heroes (probably 98% of them). I know what the hotkeys are in legacy, but I never ever quoted people hotkeys when refering to skills. Impale's hotkey (in legacy) is "e" but I never called it "lion's e." Using QWER names for spells alienates half the userbase. Learning the skill names is more useful than learning what order the spells are in, because I don't know what Viper's W or Crystal Maiden's Q are, but I know whatever spells those co-respond with. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On October 31 2012 07:00 Erasme wrote: strongest non ult in the game, imba must nerf annoying piece of .. axe easy top 3 most annoying hero to face An axe hungering a solo hardlaner is the most deadly weapon of all | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
I really wanted to call it his "E" since, well, everybody understands what that means but apparently calling stuff by their default hotkeys makes people mad (and by other logic presented, calling it his "third skill" places unacceptable burden of knowledge on casual thread readers who are liable to forget the order of his abilities since they only played nyx once...) | ||
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On October 31 2012 06:53 TheYango wrote: People who don't remember the order of the 4 skills? It's not inconceivable that you wouldn't remember the order of the first 3 skills if you've only played the hero once. I honestly don't know why that makes a difference when Q W E R are always the skills in order of left to right | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On October 31 2012 07:01 Shai wrote: I have played 1200 hours of Dota 2, and more than twice that many hours of Dota 1. I have no clue what order the skills are for the vast majority of heroes (probably 98% of them). I know what the hotkeys are in legacy, but I never ever quoted people hotkeys when refering to skills. Impale's hotkey (in legacy) is "e" but I never called it "lion's e." Using QWER names for spells alienates half the userbase. Learning the skill names is more useful than learning what order the spells are in, because I don't know what Viper's W or Crystal Maiden's Q are, but I know whatever spells those co-respond with. But on the other hand, people who interact with QWER before legacy key usually pick up the spell order the seconds they play that particular heroes. People who use legacy key first develop differently with people who use QWER first. Calling QWER in dota is like calling B14, B31 in CounterStrike, it's too popular and global to not understand what it is. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 31 2012 07:09 Skullflower wrote: I honestly don't know why that makes a difference when Q W E R are always the skills in order of left to right Because people don't remember the left-to-right order of the skills. They remember what the skills do, not where they are on the UI. Why is that hard to understand? EDIT: there's also the increasingly common case where someone's WATCHED the hero in a competitive game, but haven't actually played the hero yet. They know what their 4 skills do, but not what skills they are on the UI. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On October 31 2012 07:09 Skullflower wrote: I honestly don't know why that makes a difference when Q W E R are always the skills in order of left to right If you can tell me every skill for every hero in order I'll be okay with you holding to your ill-conceived point. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
 I still think QWER is fine. As more people play Dota 2, it will become more standard, but if people want to resist super hard that is up to them. Nobody uses "Take the bishop with his knight" when discussing chess moves. It is always "Nxe5 seems good". On October 31 2012 07:15 flamewheel wrote: If you can tell me every skill for every hero in order I'll be okay with you holding to your ill-conceived point. I actually have no issue with doing that but w/e. It would be a really long post. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On October 31 2012 07:17 Sn0_Man wrote: K, sorry for ruining 2 pages of thread I still think QWER is fine. As more people play Dota 2, it will become more standard, but if people want to resist super hard that is up to them. Nobody uses "Take the bishop with his knight" when discussing chess moves. It is always "Nxe5 seems good". Your chess analogy compares two different groups of people. Those who say "Nxe5" have experience. Yet if you're teaching a new person, there's nothing wrong with the former. Though I still personally can say "NxB", though that's both discursive and deprecated. | ||
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On October 31 2012 07:15 flamewheel wrote: If you can tell me every skill for every hero in order I'll be okay with you holding to your ill-conceived point. I honestly wouldn't mind attempting that but that's one hell of a long post | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
The way DotA heroes are far more unique and not streamlined in structure just make using QWER unnecessarily silly. | ||
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