EPTOn October 28 2012 13:55 NB wrote:
Really? i was quoting the previous post and forgot the quote tag... REALLY?
Really? i was quoting the previous post and forgot the quote tag... REALLY?
you didn't spell hilarious correctly so... man up
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
you didn't spell hilarious correctly so... man up | ||
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Cool Cat
United States1644 Posts
On October 28 2012 14:07 Spicy_Curry wrote: you didn't spell hilarious correctly so... man up harsh | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
On October 28 2012 13:55 NB wrote: Really? i was quoting the previous post and forgot the quote tag... REALLY? It seems the mods have been cracking down a lot more with warnings recently. + Show Spoiler + Looking at the centaur nerf, I think it is fairly reasonable now. It used to give the team that had centaur a dominating presence for every teamfight after centaur had hit 6, especially due to the low cooldown and mana cost of the spell. Duration reduction and cooldown increase (especially for the lower ranks) were definitely needed. The damage nerf was pretty significant as well, but the spell just did so much damage before that I think it is reasonable. The spell still isn't "bad" or even "mediocre" by any stretch, but I think we will just have to see how this plays out. I suspect more people will complain about Drow's global aura now more than centaur's ultimate. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On October 28 2012 14:27 Dubzex wrote: It seems the mods have been cracking down a lot more with warnings recently. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A Looking at the centaur nerf, I think it is fairly reasonable now. It used to give the team that had centaur a dominating presence for every teamfight after centaur had hit 6, especially due to the low cooldown and mana cost of the spell. Duration reduction and cooldown increase (especially for the lower ranks) were definitely needed. The damage nerf was pretty significant as well, but the spell just did so much damage before that I think it is reasonable. The spell still isn't "bad" or even "mediocre" by any stretch, but I think we will just have to see how this plays out. I suspect more people will complain about Drow's global aura now more than centaur's ultimate. As i said in a few post before, the nerf is just for shown. It is quite interesting to see the modern gaming community quick reacting into some massive changes in gaming balance patches. I dont know when did this started but in sc2, having a community using public stat system to complain about balance design is a TERRIBLE idea. I mean look at drow right now and compare her to lycan before TI2, they are pretty much the same with lycan being way more powerful and the game turned out just fine. People needs to start learning to adapt with a new gaming environment instead of whining/complaining so the game designer change the environment into their favor. I really hope icefrog wont be affected by the new public stat system in dota2 as well as the new pressure he will have to face in the next 1-2 years. When i read the chat log between him and maelk, it really did give me a lot of hope. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On October 28 2012 14:27 Dubzex wrote: It seems the mods have been cracking down a lot more with warnings recently. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A Looking at the centaur nerf, I think it is fairly reasonable now. It used to give the team that had centaur a dominating presence for every teamfight after centaur had hit 6, especially due to the low cooldown and mana cost of the spell. Duration reduction and cooldown increase (especially for the lower ranks) were definitely needed. The damage nerf was pretty significant as well, but the spell just did so much damage before that I think it is reasonable. The spell still isn't "bad" or even "mediocre" by any stretch, but I think we will just have to see how this plays out. I suspect more people will complain about Drow's global aura now more than centaur's ultimate. its still very very strong. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
I still haven't figured out what key should i use for sending my courier to me (I really dont want to use R) and bringing all your items from stash to courier. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
 stop thinking you can balance dota and start trying to overcome your weaknesses | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
On October 28 2012 15:10 Spicy_Curry wrote: Honestly, 100 seconds is still too short for a level 6 ultimate that lasts 4 seconds and gives you such benefits. However, it should stem the crying for now while not really changing the ultimate. It is 120 seconds, lasts 3.75 seconds. Does anyone know if this new ultimate is not as strong in DotA considering the WC3 engine? | ||
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SirMilford
Australia1269 Posts
On another note I think the ulti has been over nerfed, all that needed to be changed IMO was the stun radius. I am pretty sure bat is unplayable verse centaur, He can stun you when you shackle them. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On October 28 2012 13:19 TheYango wrote: Yeah, that should have been a given. Fortunately, he removed Centaur from -cm in 6.76c before any major DotA 1 tournaments started using it. Change of topic: Resume Delivery on courier most desired feature not yet ported from DotA 1. Yes/No? The thing with DotA 1 is that nobody is forcing tournaments to use the newest version, unlike Dota 2. It was not uncommon for DotA tournies to use a version or two outdated maps. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 28 2012 16:18 cecek wrote: The thing with DotA 1 is that nobody is forcing tournaments to use the newest version, unlike Dota 2. It was not uncommon for DotA tournies to use a version or two outdated maps. Chinese/SEA have been directly using the newest version for quite some time now. It's just that most tournaments stick to the same version throughout the entire event, and nothing started in those few days between 6.76 and 6.76c. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On October 26 2012 10:43 konadora wrote: oh look, it's coolcrimefighter rofl i just realized that the game is 160 freaking minutes LOL and comon there should be at least 10divines by 80mins Q_Q + Show Spoiler + Only 1divine at 80mins and lol at the map is starting to crumble from 150min and fire is everywhere! | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On October 28 2012 15:02 NB wrote: As i said in a few post before, the nerf is just for shown. It is quite interesting to see the modern gaming community quick reacting into some massive changes in gaming balance patches. I dont know when did this started but in sc2, having a community using public stat system to complain about balance design is a TERRIBLE idea. I mean look at drow right now and compare her to lycan before TI2, they are pretty much the same with lycan being way more powerful and the game turned out just fine. People needs to start learning to adapt with a new gaming environment instead of whining/complaining so the game designer change the environment into their favor. I really hope icefrog wont be affected by the new public stat system in dota2 as well as the new pressure he will have to face in the next 1-2 years. When i read the chat log between him and maelk, it really did give me a lot of hope. Icefrog isn't retarded and knows what to take from the community feedback as well as pub statistics. When a hero has over 65% winrate across the board that is a serious flaw, and even if it is just pubs (you know, the place where 99% of your player base plays in) it can be game ruining and people will just stop playing if something is retardedly broken. But he also knows what he wants, and that's why he ignored maelk's idea of removing the global since I'm guessing he wants to make the game more aggressive and kill based. Dota 2 also has better ways of collecting statistics. Personally I really like how icefrog is handling things. He doesn't try and force every hero to become part of competitive play, and he's doing well balancing pub play at the same time. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On October 28 2012 17:05 Itsmedudeman wrote: Icefrog isn't retarded and knows what to take from the community feedback as well as pub statistics. When a hero has over 65% winrate across the board that is a serious flaw, and even if it is just pubs (you know, the place where 99% of your player base plays in) it can be game ruining and people will just stop playing if something is retardedly broken. But he also knows what he wants, and that's why he ignored maelk's idea of removing the global since I'm guessing he wants to make the game more aggressive and kill based. Dota 2 also has better ways of collecting statistics. Personally I really like how icefrog is handling things. He doesn't try and force every hero to become part of competitive play, and he's doing well balancing pub play at the same time. This statement is FUCKING IDIOTIC. YOU DO NOT BALANCE BASED ON PUBLIC STATS. Using this logic, you could just the heroes with over 50% winrate in pubs and nerf those and then buff those with under 50% winrate. This is not how you do things, Dota is not balanced for pubs, it is balanced for competitive play, and because of that, public winrate stats are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. User was warned for this post | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On October 28 2012 17:17 cecek wrote: This statement is FUCKING IDIOTIC. YOU DO NOT BALANCE BASED ON PUBLIC STATS. Using this logic, you could just the heroes with over 50% winrate in pubs and nerf those and then buff those with under 50% winrate. This is not how you do things, Dota is not balanced for pubs, it is balanced for competitive play, and because of that, public winrate stats are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. ? is that why ursa got nerfed? Maybe if you use more caps that would make you more correct.They're balanced around both. That's why you see icefrog going after the most obvious heroes who are overpowered and underpowered in both. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34505 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
It's been a day and he was already forced into changing it. That's in no way enough time for players to learn how to play with or against a completely new ability. Stuff like this is hindering the evolution of DotA, just because people can't handle losing to an imba hero. | ||
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United States20289 Posts
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