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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-27 21:51:22
October 27 2012 21:49 GMT
#26901
Yesterday I theorycrafted centaur+magnus, and this is exactly what i had in mind xD

Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
October 27 2012 21:51 GMT
#26902
Well, that works with pretty much every aoe stunner.
Or a motred with 4 bfuries and 2 rapiers
duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
October 27 2012 21:51 GMT
#26903
On October 28 2012 06:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Are you kidding? That's exactly what dota is. You think people don't pick morphling cause they found a counter to it?

IceFrog nerfs heroes by tournaments stats and not community bitching. If Morphling dominated in some way during TI2, of course he will nerf it. Anyone expected Luna during TI2 and some teams showed how strong she is vs Morphling. Especially early game with Eclipse.
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
duoform
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain5180 Posts
October 27 2012 21:54 GMT
#26904
On October 28 2012 06:49 MrCon wrote:
Yesterday I theorycrafted centaur+magnus, and this is exactly what i had in mind xD


"Wait guys, Magnus is coming for us! We shall make a B line for him!"
"I really like Marauders and Marines." - Flash
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 27 2012 21:54 GMT
#26905
On October 28 2012 06:49 MrCon wrote:
Yesterday I theorycrafted centaur+magnus, and this is exactly what i had in mind xD

Honestly, that entire clip was the product of the enemy team walking into the 5-man Skewer+Ulti. The Centaur basically provided no contribution that would not have been accomplished by some other AoE teamfight hero (the Stampede is only popped after the Reverse Polarity, and the Stampede stun overlaps the Reverse Polarity stun). The only thing the Centaur serves to do is KS 4 of the kills, which, again, could be accomplished by any AoE teamfight hero.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-27 21:59:51
October 27 2012 21:59 GMT
#26906
Yea trade the centaur for a THD with icepath + ulti. Even more devastating or how about a battlefury AM?
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
October 27 2012 22:14 GMT
#26907
The reason people seem to whine more than before because now they have stats to back the claim up (from dotabuff).

Even if I know how to soft counter Centaur (which I do), that doesn't mean my whole team know how to counter him. If 2,3 people get caught and killed right away, it doesn't matter I escape, we still lose the battle anyway. Even if IF don't nerf centaur, he is still bugged right now (no sound when using ultimate) That still makes things hard for players.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
October 27 2012 22:39 GMT
#26908
yeah... that whole batrider rushing BoT Lasoo -> TP base thing.... i still wish i could do it once in a while :-/
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
October 27 2012 22:47 GMT
#26909
My friend has been instapicking cent, then repicking after the other 9 lock in. Dota pubbing altruism yo :D
it's my first day
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
October 27 2012 22:55 GMT
#26910
On October 28 2012 07:47 myopia wrote:
My friend has been instapicking cent, then repicking after the other 9 lock in. Dota pubbing altruism yo :D

lmao awesome.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Chewits
Profile Joined September 2006
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-27 23:02:42
October 27 2012 23:01 GMT
#26911
So, Maelk slipped up on his stream;

[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +

Centaur Warchief/Warrunner:
Stampede cooldown increased from 65 to 100/80/60
Stampede duration rescaled from 3/4/5 to 4
Stampede damage slightly reworked from 100/150/200 + 2x str to 1/2/3x str (no base damage)
Stampede manacost increased from 50 to 80
Global Stampede sound missing (will be added)


Hopefully these nerfs come true sooner than later
Whats the altitude?
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
October 27 2012 23:12 GMT
#26912
You know there are the games where you execute teamfights perfectly, crush lanes and gank like Vigoss.

Then there are games where you lose to Ursa PL in CM T____T
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
October 27 2012 23:23 GMT
#26913
I wonder if Teamliquid gona pick up Kuroky. I think the risk is much less than any thing to come in near future.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
October 28 2012 00:13 GMT
#26914
Every game so far has been instant lock drow + centaur.... lol
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
toemn
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany915 Posts
October 28 2012 01:18 GMT
#26915
I am 11-1 so far with Centaur I'm pretty sure that if you remove the global part of the ulti the hero will be perfectly fine. He isn't the best laner and his stun has a big casttime so it really can be only used when combined with his ulti. Remove the global aspect and higher the mana cost and he will be perfectly fine.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-28 01:49:39
October 28 2012 01:49 GMT
#26916
I want to see another round of buffs to everyone who only got minor changes last patch. Nerfing centaur doesn't help the heroes who don't see play.

Also add medusa
FADC
Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
October 28 2012 02:09 GMT
#26917
http://www.playdota.com/changelogs/6.76c
Stampede nerfed, Drow nerfed, Silencer nerfed, Treant tweaked.
EHOME 2010 never forget EHOME.GIGABYTE.AAA B-God In BurNing we trust BurNing your soul DK 2011-2014
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
October 28 2012 02:13 GMT
#26918
* Centaur restricted from Captain's Mode

Is this an unusual step or is this normal?
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
October 28 2012 02:17 GMT
#26919
On October 28 2012 11:13 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
* Centaur restricted from Captain's Mode

Is this an unusual step or is this normal?

Usually every hero with a completely new skill is not in -cm for some time. Like Treant when he had eyes in the forest, then owls, then leech seed etc. Or now Pitlord, who gets a constant remake like every 2 versions.
EHOME 2010 never forget EHOME.GIGABYTE.AAA B-God In BurNing we trust BurNing your soul DK 2011-2014
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
October 28 2012 02:30 GMT
#26920
On October 28 2012 05:39 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2012 05:31 superstartran wrote:
On October 28 2012 04:58 PrinceXizor wrote:
On October 28 2012 04:40 Ryuu314 wrote:
On October 28 2012 04:01 PrinceXizor wrote:
On October 28 2012 03:29 Firebolt145 wrote:
On October 28 2012 03:15 PrinceXizor wrote:
On October 28 2012 03:13 BlitzerSC wrote:
Actually, I never saw someone with more than 100 wins complain about huskar, riki, viper, pudge and kotl being op.

never saw anyone with more than 100 games in which centaur is picked complain either :/

You can kite an ursa, and he's only a problem when he's next to you. And even then ghost scepter (only 1600 gold, feasible for supports to farm) can
Nothing will save you from hasted + phase + stunning + damaging enemy team (not just centaur, but the WHOLE enemy team, no matter where the centaur is on the map). Every 60 seconds. Well, except BKB, but that's 3900 gold.

if you are a support (except perhaps zeus or AA) you have a built in way to handle the ultimate. if you aren't you can get a bkb.

What exactly is this "built in wayto handle the ultimate?" I'm curious. What exactly is the built in way a support like say veno or cm going to stop 5 people from rushing them and their team with max movespeed to dmg and stun them?

Also if you're a support I doubt you'll ever get enough farm to afford a bkb.

most supports have decent disables and good positioning skills. if you lack the positioning skills, that's something to work on instead of complain on TL. in a 5v5 situation you have to look at more than a single hero on your team to stop a guys ultimate unless it's naga. and nerfing it globally which people WANT doesn't change 5v5s much at all does it? so in the instance where cent is in a diff lane, you can go into trees and plague ward yourself in. if they charge in to get you, you can juke in trees until it's over and trap them, CM can use frostbite to hold off the person for over half the ulti duration.

bane can use nightmare to remove someone entirely, chen can get a purge satyr and use purge, dazzle can outlast with shallow grave, disruptor can glimpse back es can terrain block (no unit pathing doesn't prevent terrain blocks), enchant can use purge satyr, jakiro has path, kotl has blind light and can bring in reinforcements, lesh can stun and force them to dive into edict territory, lich can give himself armor and damage the crap out of them as they come in, lina has a stun and can eliminate one player, lion has tons of disables, nyx has disables and spikes, ogre has fireblast, omni can repel, SD can disrupt and purge, SS can hex and shackle, tide has ravage, treant can turn invis or overgrowth, venge can swap juke or stun, visage can use ult chain stuns, warlock can heal himself and drop an ulti, wisp can tether out, doc has casks.



Some really low level analysis. Centaur in his current version is broken as hell; not as broken as say TC/Spectre on release, but pretty ridiculous.

??? it's not analysis at all? i was asked what built in ways a support has to avoid having the ulti of cent completely dominate you. i gave pretty easy solutions, it's not my fault you forgot about the ulti until it's too late.

some really low level comprehension i guess then :/



You're so dumb it's beyond hilarious.

Centaur gets blink, stuns then ults. What do you do then? Nothing.
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