General Discussion - Page 1345

On October 28 2012 04:18 rabidch wrote:
if you have an issue with this patch just email icefrog.

theres been a lot of comparable heroes
new heroes
zet, rubick, aa, tc, tuskar

remakes
razor, treant

On October 28 2012 03:52 Nevuk wrote:

The game is completely bullshit at the moment. It's not a "oh pubs will learn to counter him" situation. The hero has been around for ages except for his new ult and stat gain changes (which are basically a way for him to keep his old ult). People know how to deal with Centaur's skillset except for his ult. He's the most played hero in the current patch by a very large margin and his winrate is going up. Unlike Ursa his effectiveness only increases with the level of coordination among players.

Maelk isn't Idra. He's known for blasting Riot, S2, etc. to the extent that he called people playing LoL "traitors". But balance whine? No. I cannot think of a player less likely to criticize anything about dota.

When people were complaining about Ursa OP in pubs he peaked at 57% and has fallen to 49%. This is 10% over Ursa's peak and there are VERY clear differences between them. Centaur's skills are significantly better for teamfighting. No, we have no competitive analysis. We would never get any. The point of not pushing a hero like this straight into CM/Tournament mode is to check for obvious imbalances or bugs. It's insanely unlikely that any team would let him through in his current incarnation, in fact, it's pretty unlikely that he wouldn't be a straight auto-ban.

It's very rare for a hero to be released and have their winrate skyrocket in pubs in dota. It's also very rare that Icefrog is planning balance patches two days after their official release when it's not a bugged or unintended use issue.
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(at least in recent times on the Icefrog thing. I know there has been some OP stuff he pushed out that occasionally took forever to get nerfed)

On October 28 2012 04:01 PrinceXizor wrote:

if you are a support (except perhaps zeus or AA) you have a built in way to handle the ultimate. if you aren't you can get a bkb.

On October 28 2012 04:40 Ryuu314 wrote:

What exactly is this "built in wayto handle the ultimate?" I'm curious. What exactly is the built in way a support like say veno or cm going to stop 5 people from rushing them and their team with max movespeed to dmg and stun them?

Also if you're a support I doubt you'll ever get enough farm to afford a bkb.

On October 28 2012 04:58 PrinceXizor wrote:

most supports have decent disables and good positioning skills. if you lack the positioning skills, that's something to work on instead of complain on TL. in a 5v5 situation you have to look at more than a single hero on your team to stop a guys ultimate unless it's naga. and nerfing it globally which people WANT doesn't change 5v5s much at all does it? so in the instance where cent is in a diff lane, you can go into trees and plague ward yourself in. if they charge in to get you, you can juke in trees until it's over and trap them, CM can use frostbite to hold off the person for over half the ulti duration.

bane can use nightmare to remove someone entirely, chen can get a purge satyr and use purge, dazzle can outlast with shallow grave, disruptor can glimpse back es can terrain block (no unit pathing doesn't prevent terrain blocks), enchant can use purge satyr, jakiro has path, kotl has blind light and can bring in reinforcements, lesh can stun and force them to dive into edict territory, lich can give himself armor and damage the crap out of them as they come in, lina has a stun and can eliminate one player, lion has tons of disables, nyx has disables and spikes, ogre has fireblast, omni can repel, SD can disrupt and purge, SS can hex and shackle, tide has ravage, treant can turn invis or overgrowth, venge can swap juke or stun, visage can use ult chain stuns, warlock can heal himself and drop an ulti, wisp can tether out, doc has casks.

On October 28 2012 05:31 superstartran wrote:



Some really low level analysis. Centaur in his current version is broken as hell; not as broken as say TC/Spectre on release, but pretty ridiculous.

On October 28 2012 05:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Princexizor is the guy who said a support leshrac should've taken the aegis with 900 hp 30 mins in

On October 28 2012 03:52 Nevuk wrote:

The game is completely bullshit at the moment. It's not a "oh pubs will learn to counter him" situation. The hero has been around for ages except for his new ult and stat gain changes (which are basically a way for him to keep his old ult). People know how to deal with Centaur's skillset except for his ult. He's the most played hero in the current patch by a very large margin and his winrate is going up. Unlike Ursa his effectiveness only increases with the level of coordination among players.

Maelk isn't Idra. He's known for blasting Riot, S2, etc. to the extent that he called people playing LoL "traitors". But balance whine? No. I cannot think of a player less likely to criticize anything about dota.

When people were complaining about Ursa OP in pubs he peaked at 57% and has fallen to 49%. This is 10% over Ursa's peak and there are VERY clear differences between them. Centaur's skills are significantly better for teamfighting. No, we have no competitive analysis. We would never get any. The point of not pushing a hero like this straight into CM/Tournament mode is to check for obvious imbalances or bugs. It's insanely unlikely that any team would let him through in his current incarnation, in fact, it's pretty unlikely that he wouldn't be a straight auto-ban.

It's very rare for a hero to be released and have their winrate skyrocket in pubs in dota. It's also very rare that Icefrog is planning balance patches two days after their official release when it's not a bugged or unintended use issue.
edit :
(at least in recent times on the Icefrog thing. I know there has been some OP stuff he pushed out that occasionally took forever to get nerfed)

On October 28 2012 05:50 BurningSera wrote:
OK this cent nonsense got to be stopped asap. I was fine thinking that just like dota1 imba shitty new hero/spell can stay for 1 week or two but in dota2 is different because we have MM system there. FFS.

On October 28 2012 06:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Centaur is already getting nerfed anyway

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On October 28 2012 06:23 cecek wrote:

Everyone knows that. The thing is people are ALREADY whining that these nerfs are not enough. :D :D