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MyLovelyLurker
Profile Joined April 2007
France756 Posts
February 07 2011 23:32 GMT
#481
Why so serious ? Is there anything else to say than "Tough luck, please get better soon Ben" ???
"I just say, it doesn't matter win or lose, I just love Starcraft 2, I love this game, I love this stage, just play like in practice" - TIME/Oliveira
nybbas
Profile Joined April 2010
United States71 Posts
February 08 2011 02:10 GMT
#482
On February 08 2011 00:17 MichaelJLowell wrote:
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On February 07 2011 18:34 nybbas wrote:
On February 07 2011 16:01 MichaelJLowell wrote:
Makes sense to me. The pub is a cultural separation, but the alcohol thing is really no different in the States. I'm sure "But I was drunk!" is just as common there. Just do keep in mind that as far as the "it would be an accident to get hurt playing basketball" thing, one of our baseball players (Aaron Boone) had his contract voided by the Yankees when he blew out his knee playing basketball. There's tons of precedent for American athletes getting the hammer from their clubs for off-hand recreational activities. I can't find any instance of a European star athlete having a contract voided for any of these things, so unless somebody wants to correct me on that, it probably explains a couple of things.


and some of these clauses include getting jumped at a club? Because hasn't that been pretty much the entire basis of your argument up until now?

I understand very clearly that athletes can get in trouble for injuring themselves for doing things like playing basketball etc. and I understand how that is in their contracts; however, have you really seen instances where athletes are putting their contracts at risk by going to a bar? Because you have somehow been making a leap of a connection between very risky recreational activity, and going to bars...


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2008/11/29/2008-11-29_giants_receiver_plaxico_burress_accident.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100441&page=1
http://www.absolutenow.com/mugshots/charles_barkley.html
http://www.theindychannel.com/sports/15616227/detail.html
http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2010-11-12/flames-brett-sutter-arrested-after-bar-fight
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/22665319/detail.html
http://www.statesman.com/sports/pro/cedric-benson-arrested-following-bar-fight-777096.html
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/05/braylon-edwards-faces-assault-accusation/

And that just involves professional athletes. I'm sure I could keep digging if I wanted to go with the college game. The top link involved an illegal firearm, which is another can of worms all in itself, that a lot of these players feel it's absolutely necessary to carry guns in these places whether they're allowed to have them or not.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/240427-no-lesson-learned-the-nfl-gun-culture-wont-end-with-plaxico-burress

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On February 07 2011 19:05 Grend wrote:
On February 04 2011 00:42 MichaelJLowell wrote:
On February 04 2011 00:36 meRz wrote:
On February 04 2011 00:30 MichaelJLowell wrote:
On February 04 2011 00:27 ranjutan wrote:
On February 04 2011 00:20 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Sucks alot but headlines like this do not make him seem very professional though.


Yes a true professional would never go out drinking. I mean who ever heard of a businessman going out drinking???
I am appalled.

So "going out drinking and getting into fights" (how the fight started is completely unimportant) is now professional behavior?



Getting into a fight can happen to anyone, I mean if you encounter a drunk moron who really wants to fight there's like very little you can do to prevent it other than getting the hell out of there asap. Don't be so judgemental, shit happends, people drink, DemusliM always acts superb and manner in front of the cameras.

I don't buy "shit happens, people drink" as an excuse. Now yes, I am being judgmental. But that's because regardless of whether he instigated the situation or not and did everything he could to avoid fighting or not, he now has a broken hand to show for it. He now has to wait for the thing to heal until he can continue supporting himself. If I was one of the team managers, I'd be rightly pissed.

I'm not going to go as far as to say that DeMusliM should lock himself in his room and never leave the thing again, but there's a risk associated with what he did. You can debate how much of a risk there is, but there was one.


What I do not get is why you started this argument at all. Fine, so you think people should cease doing fun activities that involve some risk when they are being paid. That`s okay, you`re entitled to your opinion. But you knew that this would spark a controversy, you said so later yourself. So why even post it? And besides that, why keep on "debating" it? You expressed your argument, and opinion, no need to reiterate it over and over and over and over.

Go read what I originally wrote, the first significant post I made in the thread, my original detailed explanation, my original declaration that I was done with the thread because people were making the same comments over and over that I had already addressed, which I then had to go back on because of how the thread transpired later. If I hadn't seen that DeMusliM's father had addressed me (which I caught on the very first page because I wanted to see if the official account had changed), I would have kept it that way.

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On February 07 2011 19:05 Grend wrote:

But you knew that this would spark a controversy, you said so later yourself. So why even post it?

So you're not allowed to say typically unoffensive things on message boards if there's a chance it could offend the user base?


None of these quotes mention a single thing about professional athletes not being allowed to go to bars. The only things they mention are athletes getting arrested after getting into bar brawls, which if anything, strengthens the argument against what you said, because demuslim never ended up arrested. Your entire argument has been based around some reasoning that he should be in danger of having his shit revoked for going to a bar, and that going to the bar in the first place was an irresponsible choice. (which if it is, then about every pro athlete is guilty of being irresponsible, and once again your point is completely useless)
MichaelJLowell
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States610 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 02:19:07
February 08 2011 02:18 GMT
#483
I can't offer anything else relevant to this thread that hasn't already been said. So yeah. I talked to DeMusliM about an hour ago. We're good. I stand by most of what I said, but I do apologize for making it such a big deal. So yeah. Thread done for me.
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socommaster123
Profile Joined May 2010
United States578 Posts
February 08 2011 03:38 GMT
#484
All this just to talk to DeMusliM! Creepy fan I knew it was all a ploy to talk to your favorite person EVA! Your a sick sick man.
Idra White Ra Sheth DRG SaSe Thorzain GOGO!
MichaelJLowell
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States610 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 04:30:33
February 08 2011 04:29 GMT
#485
On February 08 2011 12:38 socommaster123 wrote:
All this just to talk to DeMusliM! Creepy fan I knew it was all a ploy to talk to your favorite person EVA! Your a sick sick man.

Sorry about that. : (
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Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
February 08 2011 05:27 GMT
#486
On February 07 2011 12:03 MichaelJLowell wrote:
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On February 07 2011 11:44 Gentleman7 wrote:
If you think DeMuslim was taking unnecessary risks by going to a bar, should no pro-gamers be allowed to drink anymore? That's ridiculous.

I didn't say they couldn't drink. I'm not dissenting because he went to a bar and drank. I said they shouldn't be going to bars if (as people in this thread were amply willing to demonstrate) there is a demonstrable risk in doing so.

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On February 07 2011 11:51 Panicc wrote:
On February 07 2011 11:36 MichaelJLowell wrote:
On February 07 2011 11:29 nybbas wrote:
So basically what his point is, that if you are in professional sports, you shouldn't go to bars.
Ever. That is realistic.

I should be banned for feeding the trolls *sigh*

Now, if it comes out that somehow demuslim started the fight, or did something otherwise to what the story we have been told is, I can agree. So unless you have some facts we don't, you are nothing but an idiot.

If you are in professional sports, you shouldn't go to places or perform in activities that could harm your ability to play professional sports. Reading the comments in this thread, I've learned bar fighting is a British national sport. Things happened because of it.

I'll save the rest for my rebuttal.



why no bann? its clear by now that he doesnt give a fuck about the story and only watns to annoy the people on this board :/ Sometimes i dont understand the mods here.... to hard on one side and then this

Yes. I just want to annoy the people on this board. Right.



I think the question then is where we draw the line for pro-gamers. Where is the balance between them becoming to great a risk for their team, and having some basic enjoyment?

We just have a very basic disagreement over this; you basically are arguing that going to a bar is too great a risk for someone to take, because you can break your hand there. I would argue the odds of slipping at a bar and breaking your hand are roughly the same as walking outside if it's icy. I don't think either risk is to extreme for a pro-gamer to take. If you do, that's whatever, but I'll think you'll find (and this thread indicates) that most would disagree.
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Svetz
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia311 Posts
February 08 2011 08:29 GMT
#487
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2008/11/29/2008-11-29_giants_receiver_plaxico_burress_accident.html

Man shoots himself in leg - club tries to cover it up for him instead of reporting him to police.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100441&page=1

Man is stabbed repeatedly on a night out - club offers sympathy

http://www.absolutenow.com/mugshots/charles_barkley.html

Man repeatedly keeps breaking the law (assault etc) and is repeatedly arrested but continues playing professionally (no mention of any teams punishing him or ending his contract)

http://www.theindychannel.com/sports/15616227/detail.html

Another case of some players assaulting people in a bar and no mention of any kind of censure/punishment from the team.

... I'm going to assume they continue in this manner.

So basically you have linked a bunch of news reports that show that some people are dicks and go out and start fights/break the law. How is this remotely relevant to the arguement?

Demuslim was not arrested and from the sounds of it there is absolutely no grounds for someone to even suggest he should be.

You try to argue that going to a bar is unprofessional and he should be punished by his team, then link a bunch of articles about sportsmen going to bars and not being punished... surely thats counter to your entire arguement, if anything it suggests more sc2 pros should go out and get wasted so people take them seriously as professionals, maybe throw a couple of high drama affairs in there!
When I grow up I want to be Harry Dresden ;(
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 08 2011 09:08 GMT
#488
DeMuslim, showing that sc2 nerds are not to be messed with.

Man, if only Incontrol was there..........
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LostBLuE
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada188 Posts
February 08 2011 15:55 GMT
#489
To bad he can't go to assembly the tournament is still going to be bad ass though.
TLO " Well Sjow, it's almost the same prize for 2nd place " Sjow " I know, but it's more about the honor... -_- " TLO " All I care about is the honor "
Aragos
Profile Joined October 2010
France182 Posts
February 08 2011 17:07 GMT
#490
So bad news
Zeroes
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
February 08 2011 20:36 GMT
#491
maybe one of his opponents in a tourney paid someone to break his hand >.>
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1-LeeteR
Profile Joined August 2010
United States78 Posts
February 08 2011 21:38 GMT
#492
x_x sounds like a cover up! a pro probably paid someone to break his hand!

jk jk
"i hate people who quote themselves" - me
Zhul
Profile Joined February 2010
Czech Republic430 Posts
February 08 2011 21:45 GMT
#493
Lol Gossiptread
bananafever
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria348 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 22:19:26
February 08 2011 22:18 GMT
#494
he noticed the broken elbow not before coming home because his stimpack was still on..

get well soon ben.. for me you're the most likeable gamer... you could cast some games tho, loved your terran insight every single time you did a cast..
ranjutan
Profile Joined November 2010
United States636 Posts
February 08 2011 22:37 GMT
#495
Ridiculous amount of drama about this... x_X
anyway GL getting healthy DeMusliM!
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giovanni9
Profile Joined November 2010
8 Posts
February 09 2011 01:47 GMT
#496
Couldnt agree more ranjutan. I have just got back from Cologne with Ben to get more assist from my doctors here in UK. I understand that Ben has explained personally to a number of people that he wasnt in a bar fight, and that he defended himself from abusive thugs on his way home with friends.
All apologies have been accepted, and hopefully we can now ALL put this to bed, and concentrate on
his speedy recovery, and whatever else is happening in the community. Im sure that a lot of people are getting bored with this particular topic by now, so lets move on. Regards to all Bens friends from
Reg Baker ( Demus father) ps he is looking good.
pAzand
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden539 Posts
February 09 2011 10:14 GMT
#497
EG fighting!
If you can chill.. Chill!
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
February 09 2011 10:29 GMT
#498
damn better put some insurance on them hands like koreans!
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vazor
Profile Joined October 2010
United States11 Posts
February 10 2011 02:03 GMT
#499
I am sorry to hear about this, one of my favorite players. Get well soon!
Freeing minds, 01 at a time.
Rylaji
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden580 Posts
February 10 2011 19:35 GMT
#500
Get well DeMusliM! One of the more fun players!
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