EPTand I'm 90% sure that they will say 'good stuff, but hes gonna defeated by Koreans easily cuz hes not Korean naynaynay"
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gayftw
Korea (South)7 Posts
and I'm 90% sure that they will say 'good stuff, but hes gonna defeated by Koreans easily cuz hes not Korean naynaynay" User was warned for this post | ||
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gayftw
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On January 29 2011 19:43 GP wrote: But he does scout, just with his first Helion. Unless they proxy it doesn't make a difference for him, it's only lost mining time for him. lol, I hope you're not implying that as an insult, his apm peaks at over 200 when he needs it to, apm spamming =/= skill. When does the first hellion come out? Exactly, if he tries that type of scouting while in Korea he will get torn apart. Any little thing that Koreans can capitalize on they will. | ||
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Armada Vega
Canada120 Posts
Qualifications for A class will most surely be filled with other players who will cheese or hide nasty all in builds that usually are executed at around 3-5mins into the game; when Sjow has his first helion maybe? Also watching Sjow during his matches against White-Ra at the Intel Extreme Masters, Sjow is so focused with microing that he is extremely late with his expansions compared to korean pros for this seasons GSL. for Koreans during most matches; natural is built by 2-4mins in game regardless of race, 3 base around 10-12mns, 4th before 18mins. Where Sjow had his natural around 8-9mins, while one match was a fast expand. I feel Korean players would have enough economy to turtle and defend SJow's aggressive play. But Sjow is a smart guy and could easily do well, just think his style is filled with so many risks that it will become self-defeating, especially in a long GSL season (1-month long) where your opponents have time to review your past matches and know how to counter it, which is unfortunate because Sjow has what it takes to do well even in S-class, no doubt about that. | ||
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Inertia_EU
United Kingdom513 Posts
I seriously hope he realises that his presence will further his play leaps and bounds in the right environment as well as E-sports on the whole, Please SjoW, go for it! | ||
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shiNe.
Canada120 Posts
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GP
United States1056 Posts
On January 30 2011 06:14 GreEny K wrote: When does the first hellion come out? Exactly, if he tries that type of scouting while in Korea he will get torn apart. Any little thing that Koreans can capitalize on they will. It comes out really early especially in that he does 1-1-1. The scouting scv is so you can feel safe.If it made much of a difference he would have been torn up by European pros who would have surely exploited it. | ||
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Blueblister
Sweden321 Posts
(As a side note, I wouldn't take his play in Karspersky Cup as an indicative performance for GSL. He attended a LAN during the christmas break. Tournaments were held every night (18 total), which fucked up his body clock and subsequently lowered his skill level.) My only strong argument against inviting Sjow is that he, along with many others, is an obvious beneficiary of race/map imbalances. Although not so much GomTVs own fault, there are now 46% Terrans in the GSL. There should be in GomTVs best interest to give viewers a more varied experience by prioritizing players of other races. On the contrary, giving players favorable treatment for achievements made party because of imbalances reaffirms the bias and is not a good thing.+ Show Spoiler + The next season of GSL currently consists of P 25%, T 46% and Z 29% (code S+A). Compared this to the Korean SC2 population which is R 7%, P 36%, T 38% and Z 19%. Here's an in depth interview with SjoW: (Unfortunately its in Swedish, someone should really translate this) Edit: Also, I hope Gom will be more considerate of other player commitments in the future. They not giving Idra the chance to play Dreamhack greatly undermines their "wanting to grow E-sports as a whole" claim. Especially as rescheduling Idra's match wouldn't have impacted the GSL schedule whatsoever. | ||
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ageai
Germany81 Posts
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gayftw
Korea (South)7 Posts
I'm just being sarcastic about Korean's perception I do not underestimate sjow. I believe he will do good. | ||
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arterian
Canada1157 Posts
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shaunnn
Ireland1230 Posts
On January 30 2011 13:11 arterian wrote: I can't wait to see him get cheesed when he refuses to scout He doesnt refuse to scout, he scv scouts v zerg, is starting to scv scout v protoss depending on map and hellion scouts v terran because he wouldnt see anything of interest bar no gas before the marine pops out and he wouldnt change his BO reguardless and he believes his build can hold off any terran cheese and so far hes been pretty succesful, blanket statements are stupid, but i guess thats what years of Aj trolling does to you | ||
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mullinmm
United States21 Posts
I would say that Idra and Jinro have gone through remarkable transformations since they arrived in Korea (Jinro's 0-4 against oGsMC in Season 3 > Season 4 performance being an obvious example of this trend), which suggests that improvement and success are entirely possible for other foreigners, given enough practice in the houses. But as it stands today, Sjow really cannot be considered GSL quality. Korean play is nearly as head and shoulders ahead of the foreigner scene as it was in BW - especially considering the startling rate of evolution the game is seeing over there. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On January 30 2011 23:20 mullinmm wrote: Lol I am sorry but those European finals games were laughable in comparison to the standard of play we have seen in the GSL, even from the garbage code A games that caused Tastosis to audibly cringe. I would say that Idra and Jinro have gone through remarkable transformations since they arrived in Korea (Jinro's 0-4 against oGsMC in Season 3 > Season 4 performance being an obvious example of this trend), which suggests that improvement and success are entirely possible for other foreigners, given enough practice in the houses. But as it stands today, Sjow really cannot be considered GSL quality. Korean play is nearly as head and shoulders ahead of the foreigner scene as it was in BW - especially considering the startling rate of evolution the game is seeing over there. I couldn't agree more. You start out saying that Jinro 2:0d the player who was considered the best player in the world, just a couple of weeks ago, and then comfortably states that Korean play is almost ahead as it was in bw.. Think before you post. I think Sjow has a good shot to get into code A atleast. There's alot of luck involved though, as the qualifiers are best of one right? | ||
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azhang
United States178 Posts
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mullinmm
United States21 Posts
I couldn't agree more. You start out saying that Jinro 2:0d the player who was considered the best player in the world, just a couple of weeks ago, and then comfortably states that Korean play is almost ahead as it was in bw.. Think before you post. I think Sjow has a good shot to get into code A atleast. There's alot of luck involved though, as the qualifiers are best of one right? How long have Jinro and Idra been practicing in Korea, within the Korean community, with Koreans? I am afraid you looked right past the logic of my post - the play in the European finals was, as stated, miserable compared to what we have seen in the GSL. Idra and Jinro are no longer a part of the foreigner scene, meaning they they are no longer a part of the tournament circuit featuring primarily foreign players and not korean ones. I would say that their play, and the improvement in their play, reflects this fact. Moreover, I am confident that either Idra or Jinro could've won this European championship with ease. | ||
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Kazzabiss
1006 Posts
he might be able to compete in Code A, but people are just fantasizing if they think he will ever do something like win in Code S | ||
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applejuice
307 Posts
On January 31 2011 04:33 Kazzabiss wrote: "Sjow is sooooo good" against inferior opponents he might be able to compete in Code A, but people are just fantasizing if they think he will ever do something like win in Code S Yep, getting a little tired of these threads. Congrats on being the 38th foreigner who has claimed they intend to go to Korea. Truth is, only Idra and Jinro can claim to have had any success. The list of foreigners who have said they've going to come and/or have come and failed is getting quite long now. Call it "foreigner fatigue". Those two (Idra and Jinro) deserve tons of admiration and respect for what they've accomplished, as does anybody else who actually accomplishes something over there. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
Perhaps the foreigner house isn't quite ready to take in too many players yet. Hopefully, everything will be up and running in a few weeks or months. | ||
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shappens
Korea (South)137 Posts
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