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[Video] IdrA on GSL, Code S, his stream, and more!

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Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
December 09 2010 04:42 GMT
#1
As GSL slows down (omg had a day off!), decided to make a new IdrA interview, as I haven't done one in quite a while!



He discusses all sorts of stuff, from the Liquid crew in GSL, to the recent huge amount of all-ins, to Code S contenders and anticontenders, his stream, and more!

EnjoY~

As promised, here is one of a few IdrA replays which I will be casting over the next few days...

oGsZenio vs EGIdrA !

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reprise
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada316 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 04:42:46
December 09 2010 04:42 GMT
#2
Love you Artosis.

Wait, wheres the emo hair.
for graphs of passion, and charts of stars
pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 04:45:11
December 09 2010 04:42 GMT
#3
Ooh, I always love these. Thanks, Artosis!

Edit: Wow, that's a pretty odd place for an interview. Are you like in a stairwell or something? Lol
connoisseur
exarchrum
Profile Joined August 2010
United States491 Posts
December 09 2010 04:43 GMT
#4
Awesome thanks artosis! I need some more distractions from studying
justin.tv/exarch watch me play!
dLKnighT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada735 Posts
December 09 2010 04:46 GMT
#5
Great interview, thanks Artosis!
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 04:48:22
December 09 2010 04:46 GMT
#6
I miss Artosis interviews.

Edit: I mean interviews like this, not like the ones you do for Gom. :D
dota 2 stream #noskill #feed #noob twitch.tv/dmcredgrave
Gooey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States944 Posts
December 09 2010 04:47 GMT
#7
Thanks so much for the interviews Artosis. I appreciate every one of them that you post!
www.twitch.tv/Thatgooey
Benthum
Profile Joined July 2009
United States39 Posts
December 09 2010 04:49 GMT
#8
artosis <3
yoplate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States332 Posts
December 09 2010 04:52 GMT
#9
Sweet, an Idra interview! Thanks Artosis!
koppik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States676 Posts
December 09 2010 04:52 GMT
#10
" . . . sometimes you look like a genius, and sometimes you lose to HongunPrime"

Nice video!
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 05:06:57
December 09 2010 04:53 GMT
#11
Thank you so much! I love these interview.

For GSL commentating - Can you guys please go back to the production tab after you guys show army supply or units. The production tab tells you so much more (esp as an observer) - you can see tech shifts coming and how many units people are producing (sometimes tastless doesn't pop back to the bases until the tech is already out). The supplies/income isn't really as useful as you are generally watching the battles.

Otherwise - keep up the awesome work!! I am really stoked to see these Idra games you are going to commentate.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
December 09 2010 04:53 GMT
#12
thanks for the interview. love hearing idra's insights...his understanding of the game and the korean scene are always nice to hear
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
December 09 2010 04:53 GMT
#13
Thanks for sharing! Avoiding studying a few more minutes.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/proxywolf
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Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
December 09 2010 04:54 GMT
#14
Clide!?
Shut up
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
December 09 2010 04:55 GMT
#15
So your hair still looks like that on normal days, eh?
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
December 09 2010 04:55 GMT
#16
lol "Sometimes you look like a genius, sometimes you lose to HongUnPrime."
dota 2 stream #noskill #feed #noob twitch.tv/dmcredgrave
sas01
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada303 Posts
December 09 2010 04:56 GMT
#17
great interview!!!!! <3 Idra!!!
palookieblue
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia326 Posts
December 09 2010 04:57 GMT
#18
hahahaha.

'Clide?'
'Shut up.'
oyoyo
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 04:58:46
December 09 2010 04:58 GMT
#19
Cliiiiide!!

This is such an awesome interview! Thx heaps!
IAttackYou
Profile Joined August 2010
United States330 Posts
December 09 2010 04:58 GMT
#20
Thanks Idra/Artosis ^_^
I'm not a nub, I'm gosu of tomorrow
UberDrive
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States144 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 05:00:41
December 09 2010 05:00 GMT
#21
IdrA's streaming right now! http://www.ustream.tv/channel/eg-idra1

Currently playing PoltPrime.
Beneather
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada451 Posts
December 09 2010 05:01 GMT
#22
NIce video ! :D
Thanks IdrA and Artosis!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Day[9} <3
LeaD
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada464 Posts
December 09 2010 05:02 GMT
#23
I agree with him, especially on this GSL. I heard that protoss can no longer block you in with pylons in the next patch?
RayDZ
Profile Joined July 2010
United States13 Posts
December 09 2010 05:02 GMT
#24
Thank you!
Everybody Wang Chung
ScarletKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States691 Posts
December 09 2010 05:03 GMT
#25
"Sometimes you look like a genius, sometimes you lose to HongUnPrime"

LOL.

Thanks Artosis, always wonderful interviews <3
Looks like I picked the wrong week the quit sniffing glue
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
December 09 2010 05:03 GMT
#26
hahaha

"jinro..."
"clide!"
"shut up"
Sheekthief
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States267 Posts
December 09 2010 05:04 GMT
#27
Fantastic interview :D

Gogo IdrArtosis!
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dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
December 09 2010 05:04 GMT
#28
Clide?

Shut up.

Cracked me up lol.

I seriously wonder if artosis really thinks clide is good or they are treating him like a running joke.
Zaka
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands372 Posts
December 09 2010 05:05 GMT
#29
Did you conduct the interview while in prison?
Bite off more than you can chew....then chew it.
red_b
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1267 Posts
December 09 2010 05:05 GMT
#30
nice vid artosis.

I like that idra is honest about his opinions. sure he can cross the line into BM, but at least he doesnt tell us how he's giving all his money to his parents when people ask him about all-ins.
Those small maps were like a boxing match in a phone booth.
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
December 09 2010 05:05 GMT
#31
Dimaga mode ahaha. CLIIIIIIIDE
7
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1218 Posts
December 09 2010 05:05 GMT
#32
i hope Idra gets better from his flu!

I found it amusing with Artosis suggested Clide and Idra told him to shut up xD
I love the sense of camaraderie when an entire line of cars teams up to prevent a dick from cutting in at the front. Stay strong, brothers!
Mikelius
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany517 Posts
December 09 2010 05:06 GMT
#33
Thanks Artosis, really entertaining interview!
Less QQ, more PewPew
s.Carter
Profile Joined October 2010
United States36 Posts
December 09 2010 05:06 GMT
#34
Thanks much, IdrA does an interview without to much of him calling people bad. =) Interesting place, but great to hear someone who's pro talk about the game and offer coaching.
tok
Profile Joined April 2010
United States691 Posts
December 09 2010 05:07 GMT
#35
Great interview, I think idra is going bald like shaguar did during his cs career.

But I shouldn't hate I'm going bald too
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 09 2010 05:07 GMT
#36
yay!

thanks guys! :D
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IseeFish
Profile Joined June 2010
United States45 Posts
December 09 2010 05:07 GMT
#37
Nice interview, but severely underestimating TSL_Rain IMO.
cannavaro
Profile Joined November 2010
Italy86 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 05:09:31
December 09 2010 05:09 GMT
#38
On December 09 2010 14:07 tok wrote:
Great interview, I think idra is going bald like shaguar did during his cs career.

But I shouldn't hate I'm going bald too


small price to deliver high-level rage.
Altern
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1053 Posts
December 09 2010 05:09 GMT
#39
Thanks, you're the best Artosis
btw, interesting background lol
Raine
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada210 Posts
December 09 2010 05:10 GMT
#40
I love how fast he named the people who didn't deserve code S, so funny. I was hoping he would go over who he thought would belong in code S who are currently in code A. I'm assuming all he'd say is Ret but maybe he'd have a few dark horses.
alexpnd
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1857 Posts
December 09 2010 05:10 GMT
#41
Nice interview. You boys are growing up fast *tear*
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mols0n
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada388 Posts
December 09 2010 05:11 GMT
#42
Lol Arotsis just had to plug his boy Clide in there. Great interview agreed mostly with what Idra said, except I think Foxer is the best TvZ Terran out there
LeaD
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada464 Posts
December 09 2010 05:12 GMT
#43
On December 09 2010 14:07 IseeFish wrote:
Nice interview, but severely underestimating TSL_Rain IMO.


How? Rain has looked awful in the games that have gone into the mid/late game. Hongun is the same, he just cheeses and looks to win early. I wish Fruitdealer would have used that same build order of getting a second hatch in his base when he was blocked in by pylons, rather than the all-ins. He could have definitely taken another GSL and would have destroyed Rain after seeing how well he stuffed the scv all-in from bitbybitprime.
0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
December 09 2010 05:12 GMT
#44
it's tough getting used to Idra's positive comments haha.

Good to hear what he had to say about a lot of the players tho
Hi there. I'm in a cave, how bout you?
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
December 09 2010 05:12 GMT
#45
Looked like IdrA had a bit of a cough there... stay healthy!
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
mskaa
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark155 Posts
December 09 2010 05:13 GMT
#46
Idra is really awesome
mols0n
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada388 Posts
December 09 2010 05:13 GMT
#47
On December 09 2010 14:12 LeaD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 14:07 IseeFish wrote:
Nice interview, but severely underestimating TSL_Rain IMO.


How? Rain has looked awful in the games that have gone into the mid/late game. Hongun is the same, he just cheeses and looks to win early. I wish Fruitdealer would have used that same build order of getting a second hatch in his base when he was blocked in by pylons, rather than the all-ins. He could have definitely taken another GSL and would have destroyed Rain after seeing how well he stuffed the scv all-in from bitbybitprime.


Honestly I don't see how Hongun cheesed vs Fruitdealer? Wasn't Hongun the guy doing the FE's and Fruitdealer the one cheesing? I'm confused if we even watched the same game....
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
December 09 2010 05:13 GMT
#48
- Cliiiiiiide?
- Shut up.
Its grack
KezseN
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1450 Posts
December 09 2010 05:13 GMT
#49
Hilarious interview part at 12 min mark where Idra has the authority to talk down several "S Class" players :D gona go watch just that part again for the laughs.
To Skeleton King: "Have you considered employment at Apple?"
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
December 09 2010 05:15 GMT
#50
"All-ins will continue to be [powerful], it's not like Starcraft 1"


That's pretty depressing. Hopefully Idra's wrong.
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
December 09 2010 05:15 GMT
#51
No marine king love? =/
mols0n
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada388 Posts
December 09 2010 05:16 GMT
#52
On December 09 2010 14:15 FindingPride wrote:
No marine king love? =/

Idra doesn't think MarineKing is very good. Its mainly because he values macro way above micro. But I think Foxers TvZ is the best currently. His marine micro is just absurd. However vs other races i'm not to sure because micro isn't as necessary in the other matchups
senor_gomez
Profile Joined June 2010
United States162 Posts
December 09 2010 05:18 GMT
#53
Incontrol mentioned that idra was thinking about abadoning sc2 progaming before gsl3... thoughts about going to pro poker or some such. I wonder if idra still has his heart in this game and has got the will to improve and succeed or if he is simply doing the motions.
LeaD
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada464 Posts
December 09 2010 05:19 GMT
#54
On December 09 2010 14:13 mols0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 14:12 LeaD wrote:
On December 09 2010 14:07 IseeFish wrote:
Nice interview, but severely underestimating TSL_Rain IMO.


How? Rain has looked awful in the games that have gone into the mid/late game. Hongun is the same, he just cheeses and looks to win early. I wish Fruitdealer would have used that same build order of getting a second hatch in his base when he was blocked in by pylons, rather than the all-ins. He could have definitely taken another GSL and would have destroyed Rain after seeing how well he stuffed the scv all-in from bitbybitprime.


Honestly I don't see how Hongun cheesed vs Fruitdealer? Wasn't Hongun the guy doing the FE's and Fruitdealer the one cheesing? I'm confused if we even watched the same game....


You mean the dark templar rush or the voidray rush? Did those two matches not exist? What Hongun did was force Fruitdealer to all-in by blocking him in with pylons and fast expanding himself. I don't know if I consider that cheese or not, but it's ridiculously cheap and I am glad they are "supposedly" taking out the ability to do it in the next patch. Do I think it was wrong of Hongun to do it? No, it gave him the best chance to win and for this much money I'd do the same against a superior player, especially in the macro game. Hongun has been doing cheese and early strategies in basically all his games in the GSL and in games that go into the late game he's not that great of a player.

It's almost impossible to recover from that as Zerg if the protoss knows what he is doing. He's just going to push you with a ton of warp gate units and you won't have the economy to keep up with the amount of units he is warping in. It's basically a risk either way, no matter what Fruitdealer did he'd either be taking a risk in trying to macro up or all-in, both were 50/50. The only reason it failed in the first match was because Hongun put his stargates in an awful place and his voidray pressure was stuffed, allowing Fruitdealer to have enough time to macro up and build up the exact counter to his warp gate units.
CounteR
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand103 Posts
December 09 2010 05:22 GMT
#55
thank you Artosis :D
GG GL HF
AJMcSpiffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1154 Posts
December 09 2010 05:22 GMT
#56
Awesome interview, thanks Artosis! I love hearing IdrA's opinions on the games, and I'm EXTREMELY happy that he's started streaming/coaching. He really seemed fair when discussing the cheese/all-in builds, not as angry as I've seen a lot of people be in the threads. Can't wait to see him in the code-S GSL :D

oh, and that Clide comment had me cracking up lol
If the quarter was in your right hand, that would've been micro
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 05:23:07
December 09 2010 05:22 GMT
#57
Artosis is seriously STILL calling "id-ra" "Eye-dra"?
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
December 09 2010 05:25 GMT
#58
On December 09 2010 14:22 Zzoram wrote:
Artosis is seriously STILL calling "id-ra" "Eye-dra"?


Don't change Artosis. Even if people keep telling you "Eye-dra" is wrong for what now, 4+ years?
.ImpacT.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States390 Posts
December 09 2010 05:25 GMT
#59
On December 09 2010 14:03 wooozy wrote:
hahaha

"jinro..."
"clide!"
"shut up"

I Lol'd when he said that.
BetterFasterStronger
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States604 Posts
December 09 2010 05:27 GMT
#60
Good Interview, Artosis seems to make everyone around him sick!

On December 09 2010 14:10 Raine wrote:
I love how fast he named the people who didn't deserve code S, so funny. I was hoping he would go over who he thought would belong in code S who are currently in code A. I'm assuming all he'd say is Ret but maybe he'd have a few dark horses.


Code S Is new, Kind of like how GSL season 1 was where there were A LOT of people who shouldn't of made it. GSL Season 3 is kind fo like that but i think its getting better.
Top 200 as Protoss - Switched to Terran. 0-30 against EGiNcontroL... God damnet
Asshat
Profile Joined September 2010
593 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 05:38:57
December 09 2010 05:29 GMT
#61
On December 09 2010 14:19 LeaD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 14:13 mols0n wrote:
On December 09 2010 14:12 LeaD wrote:
On December 09 2010 14:07 IseeFish wrote:
Nice interview, but severely underestimating TSL_Rain IMO.


How? Rain has looked awful in the games that have gone into the mid/late game. Hongun is the same, he just cheeses and looks to win early. I wish Fruitdealer would have used that same build order of getting a second hatch in his base when he was blocked in by pylons, rather than the all-ins. He could have definitely taken another GSL and would have destroyed Rain after seeing how well he stuffed the scv all-in from bitbybitprime.


Honestly I don't see how Hongun cheesed vs Fruitdealer? Wasn't Hongun the guy doing the FE's and Fruitdealer the one cheesing? I'm confused if we even watched the same game....


You mean the dark templar rush or the voidray rush?


It's funny as the DT rush only worked because FD was ridiculously greedy, by the time they were at his base the most advanced tech he had was still a spawning pool, without even having started on the lair. It's not like the DTs damaged him or slowed him down a bit, he got completely killed by 3-4 DTs. But I suppose it's only cheesy and unfair when it goes against the player you're rooting for. Perhaps players are supposed to act like gentlemen and ignore those glaring build order flaws instead of capitalizing on them for an advantage.
Braveheartsc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9 Posts
December 09 2010 05:31 GMT
#62
I'm no pro, but it really seems that Idra's air of superiority is really unwarranted. We have seen him choke in all three GSL's and frankly he may be able to outmacro opponents but he makes terrible decisions regarding unit composition and positioning. He also rarely uses support units like infestors, or cheeky plays like burrowed roaches or baneling drops.

It seems to me that his play is very one dimensional... but maybe I am wrong.
terran mouse.
arkanoid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States35 Posts
December 09 2010 05:32 GMT
#63
Cool interview.

I wonder what it will take for the metagame to shift away from all-ins being so strong.

Maybe lowering threat priority on workers? Or is it more of a scouting issue?
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 05:38:00
December 09 2010 05:32 GMT
#64
the place where the interview is shot looks like a bunker in afghanistan and they are next door to ousama benladen or something :D good interview tho u need a better mic tho artosis
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bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
December 09 2010 05:32 GMT
#65
That was crazy game against oGsHero on Metal. IdrA is macro beast.
Its grack
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45078 Posts
December 09 2010 05:33 GMT
#66
Awesome interview!

Idra FTW ^^

I wonder where Idra places himself on that list of S-Class players that were sticking around on the list or going to fall off the map...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
palookieblue
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia326 Posts
December 09 2010 05:34 GMT
#67
On December 09 2010 14:31 Braveheartsc wrote:
I'm no pro, but it really seems that Idra's air of superiority is really unwarranted. We have seen him choke in all three GSL's and frankly he may be able to outmacro opponents but he makes terrible decisions regarding unit composition and positioning. He also rarely uses support units like infestors, or cheeky plays like burrowed roaches or baneling drops.

It seems to me that his play is very one dimensional... but maybe I am wrong.

You should watch his stream. Playing against HongUn now, just beat oGsHero. (:
oyoyo
Uranium
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1077 Posts
December 09 2010 05:37 GMT
#68
On December 09 2010 14:32 bokeevboke wrote:
That was crazy game against oGsHero on Metal. IdrA is macro beast.

I agree after watching that game, IdrA is a macro master.

IdrA is now playing THE HongUnPrime on his stream. Fucking crazy.
"Sentry imba! You see? YOU SEE??!!" - Sen | "Marauder die die!" - oGsMC | "Oh my god, she texted me back!" - Day[9]
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
December 09 2010 05:37 GMT
#69
On December 09 2010 14:34 palookieblue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 14:31 Braveheartsc wrote:
I'm no pro, but it really seems that Idra's air of superiority is really unwarranted. We have seen him choke in all three GSL's and frankly he may be able to outmacro opponents but he makes terrible decisions regarding unit composition and positioning. He also rarely uses support units like infestors, or cheeky plays like burrowed roaches or baneling drops.

It seems to me that his play is very one dimensional... but maybe I am wrong.

You should watch his stream. Playing against HongUn now, just beat oGsHero. (:

Seems strange that Hongun would be laddering right before his semifinals match. You'd think he'd be training PvT only. Perhaps it's someone else playing on his account to hide his last 30 games.
Whiztard
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States227 Posts
December 09 2010 05:37 GMT
#70
kind of offtopic, but seeing as how this is an IdrA related thread.


it's IdrA
+ Show Spoiler +
j/k, but I would not be surprised if that was actually him way back in the day, =O.
when Bisu switches to SC2...... (2014 update: sighh)
terramagra
Profile Joined September 2010
United States52 Posts
December 09 2010 05:39 GMT
#71
somehow idra won.. i think if HUP kept warping in he had it lol
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 09 2010 05:39 GMT
#72
On December 09 2010 14:25 Entropic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 14:22 Zzoram wrote:
Artosis is seriously STILL calling "id-ra" "Eye-dra"?


Don't change Artosis. Even if people keep telling you "Eye-dra" is wrong for what now, 4+ years?


It's even more awkward because he's interviewing "id-ra", and he calls himself "id-ra", but Artosis keeps on calling him "eye-dra".
piskooooo
Profile Joined November 2008
United States351 Posts
December 09 2010 05:39 GMT
#73
Watching now.
<3 MKP
Fedex
Profile Joined November 2010
United States28 Posts
December 09 2010 05:41 GMT
#74
Wow, I'm really starting to like Idra. During beta he was just kind of annoying (def thought he was a great player), but now actually getting to hear him cast, on SotG, and interviews, seems like a pretty cool guy.
Stay classy
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
December 09 2010 05:41 GMT
#75
doesn't HongUn have GSL in like 4 hours? Shouldn't he be playing PvT? GG Fighting IdrA!! Nice interview Artosis.
`~` | effOrt Movie sKyHigh forever & SEn
terramagra
Profile Joined September 2010
United States52 Posts
December 09 2010 05:42 GMT
#76
Idra: "Its so depressing that guy wins games"
palookieblue
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia326 Posts
December 09 2010 05:42 GMT
#77
On December 09 2010 14:37 Jyvblamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 14:34 palookieblue wrote:
On December 09 2010 14:31 Braveheartsc wrote:
I'm no pro, but it really seems that Idra's air of superiority is really unwarranted. We have seen him choke in all three GSL's and frankly he may be able to outmacro opponents but he makes terrible decisions regarding unit composition and positioning. He also rarely uses support units like infestors, or cheeky plays like burrowed roaches or baneling drops.

It seems to me that his play is very one dimensional... but maybe I am wrong.

You should watch his stream. Playing against HongUn now, just beat oGsHero. (:

Seems strange that Hongun would be laddering right before his semifinals match. You'd think he'd be training PvT only. Perhaps it's someone else playing on his account to hide his last 30 games.

Definitely a possibility. (:
Either that or HongUn is looking for a terran person to play and decided to 1-base it.
Still, the games are fantastic, that one against Hero was reaaaaallyy insanely good. ^_^
oyoyo
Cha1R
Profile Joined November 2010
United States221 Posts
December 09 2010 05:42 GMT
#78
Awesome Interview as usual! <3 IdrA!!!! Favorite player ever!!!
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
December 09 2010 05:42 GMT
#79
Idra in interviews is so much Idra from games we see. He seems very well mannered. Awesome interview with a lot of contents.
Thanks Artosis for doing this!
Terran
Atlas_550
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States180 Posts
December 09 2010 05:44 GMT
#80
Nice interview IdrA. I still say that since you have down time, you should come play 2s with my on my stream You don't have to if you really don't want to, but I really like watching your zerg play and trying to learn from it. Thanks for the stream!
nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 05:45:24
December 09 2010 05:45 GMT
#81
Neither HongUn or Rain deserve to be there, but Idra certainly deserves to be there in the semi-finals.

/s
Dont look at the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.
Pangolin
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1035 Posts
December 09 2010 05:46 GMT
#82
Great interview, I love Idra's honesty.
It's easier not to.
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
December 09 2010 05:46 GMT
#83
As promised, here is one of a few IdrA replays which I will be casting over the next few days...

oGsZenio vs EGIdrA !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxHB0hu8VaY
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Betsfrox
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Venezuela248 Posts
December 09 2010 05:47 GMT
#84
idra just beat hongUn on the stream that toss is a joke
speedphlux
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria962 Posts
December 09 2010 05:49 GMT
#85
Great interview ! Nice to see Artosis doing these kinds of stuff
Cheers to IdrA for being such a baller :D
... Humanity Is Not What I Suffer From ...
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
December 09 2010 05:50 GMT
#86
Thanks as always Artosis :D
the farm ends here
Karthane
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1183 Posts
December 09 2010 05:50 GMT
#87
Great interview, great responses. You two are probably my favorite two guys in the SC community.
FalconPunchsc2
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada91 Posts
December 09 2010 05:50 GMT
#88
i love idra!!!!!!! thanks for the interview!!
idra fighting!
Born to B
zak
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1009 Posts
December 09 2010 05:51 GMT
#89
wow thanks for this. Idra keep on trucking you S code baller!
You know how to gain a victory, but not use it - maharbal
Yoshimi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States163 Posts
December 09 2010 06:01 GMT
#90
Thanks Artosis!

Great interview. Look forward to more.
"If you see a stranger, follow him"
DaCheF
Profile Joined October 2010
United States305 Posts
December 09 2010 06:01 GMT
#91
IdrA you fucking nasty. Gratz on code S of course. I can finally see your mouse!!!!!!! Can't see that shit with replays. I hope you continue to stream.

Keep Artosis in check please with his over exaggerations. Artosis is a baller to though :D
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
December 09 2010 06:02 GMT
#92
thanks again guys! im watching idra check this thread on his stream haha
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
peekn
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1152 Posts
December 09 2010 06:02 GMT
#93
Great interview thanks Artosis!!
HunterStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada249 Posts
December 09 2010 06:04 GMT
#94
Idra,
Will you be pissed if I Fraps your livestream to do FPVOD commentaries? I will include a link to your UStream in the description of all my youtube VODs. Legit???
DminusTerran
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1337 Posts
December 09 2010 06:07 GMT
#95
On December 09 2010 13:53 Sanguinarius wrote:
Thank you so much! I love these interview.

For GSL commentating - Can you guys please go back to the production tab after you guys show army supply or units. The production tab tells you so much more (esp as an observer) - you can see tech shifts coming and how many units people are producing (sometimes tastless doesn't pop back to the bases until the tech is already out). The supplies/income isn't really as useful as you are generally watching the battles.

Otherwise - keep up the awesome work!! I am really stoked to see these Idra games you are going to commentate.


Eh it's debatable either way, but from my perspective I enjoy the cast more when the production tab isn't always up. It allows for some viewer interaction as you have to intuit some of the builds and decisions the players are making. Being surprised is pretty underrated imo, adds a distinct layer of excitement to the game, rather than just having it feel like I'm spectating. When I spot something tastetosis misses or "strategically ignores" it's part of the fun for me not a frustration.
Atlas_550
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States180 Posts
December 09 2010 06:07 GMT
#96
On December 09 2010 15:04 HunterStarcraft wrote:
Idra,
Will you be pissed if I Fraps your livestream to do FPVOD commentaries? I will include a link to your UStream in the description of all my youtube VODs. Legit???


I think he says on his ustream comments that he would save VODs so that replays of him "practicing" don't get out to the public to analyze. So I don't think this would fly with IdrA.
IndridCold
Profile Joined August 2010
United States385 Posts
December 09 2010 06:12 GMT
#97
IdrA seems to have a good plan in place for his future in starcraft, compared to alot of others you see interviews from. Can't wait to see who is in the EG house over there.
Evil Geniuses needs a LoL team.... Pobelter/Altec fan
kazie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
258 Posts
December 09 2010 06:12 GMT
#98
tyvm both of you
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
December 09 2010 06:15 GMT
#99
Great work as always Artosis, thanks!
rally_point
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada458 Posts
December 09 2010 06:16 GMT
#100
Huge thanks Artosis!
zak
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1009 Posts
December 09 2010 06:16 GMT
#101
lol guys please go look at idras stream....he just played hongun, alivefou, and and and JulyZerg...its like the GSL in his stream.

btw he tore each of them apart with 300 apm.
You know how to gain a victory, but not use it - maharbal
FrostedMiniWeet
Profile Joined July 2009
United States636 Posts
December 09 2010 06:17 GMT
#102
Artosis, you're my hero man. Keep it real.
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
December 09 2010 06:19 GMT
#103
more of this please artosis, can you make it a weekly thing??!?!? pleaseeeee I really enjoyed, on par with state of the game.

:-]
FlashDave.999 aka Star
Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 06:24:08
December 09 2010 06:22 GMT
#104
As I watched this IdrA beat HongunPrime just after beating PoltPrime and oGsHero on his stream xD
<3 Artosis
and yes Hongun was laddering 4 hours before his semi-final lol
ALL ABOARD THE INTERNET BANDWAGON
Nedfryst
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden32 Posts
December 09 2010 06:24 GMT
#105
Hi! Off-topic, but I hope you can forgive me. I'm having a hard time to really understand the code-S and code-A system. Yes I've used the search function, and all I find is people being rude others asking the same question, or people 'trying' to explain it but making it even more confusing.

The offical announcement page for GSL and their ambitions for GSL in 2011 says there will be 64 players in each tournament (duh, ro64!) And these will be picked from code-S players, now, there are 16 player with code-S (or was it 32, read it but don't remember.) And assuming this the rest will be from the code-A cathegory, how then will new players make it into the GSL tourney? Will there be a qualification between code-A and newbies or what?

Greatly appriciate answers, the search function, as mentioned, only give confusing explanations or rudeness to people looking for the explanation.

Thanks!
"Remember that anyone who is worse than you is a n00b, and anyone who is better than you has no life."
kazie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
258 Posts
December 09 2010 06:29 GMT
#106
On December 09 2010 15:24 Nedfryst wrote:
Hi! Off-topic, but I hope you can forgive me. I'm having a hard time to really understand the code-S and code-A system. Yes I've used the search function, and all I find is people being rude others asking the same question, or people 'trying' to explain it but making it even more confusing.

The offical announcement page for GSL and their ambitions for GSL in 2011 says there will be 64 players in each tournament (duh, ro64!) And these will be picked from code-S players, now, there are 16 player with code-S (or was it 32, read it but don't remember.) And assuming this the rest will be from the code-A cathegory, how then will new players make it into the GSL tourney? Will there be a qualification between code-A and newbies or what?

Greatly appriciate answers, the search function, as mentioned, only give confusing explanations or rudeness to people looking for the explanation.

Thanks!


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Code_S#S-Class
Nedfryst
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden32 Posts
December 09 2010 06:30 GMT
#107
Thanks!
"Remember that anyone who is worse than you is a n00b, and anyone who is better than you has no life."
Silentenigma
Profile Joined July 2009
Turkey2037 Posts
December 09 2010 06:32 GMT
#108
Great interview thx!
日本語が上手ですね
CanucksJC
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1241 Posts
December 09 2010 06:34 GMT
#109
Artosis: Clide
IdrA: shut up

ROFLAMOABBQSAUCEROLLERCOPTER
wow i just lol'ed so hard..............................
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DJ Roomba
Profile Joined October 2010
158 Posts
December 09 2010 06:36 GMT
#110
should of said cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide
Shakes
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia557 Posts
December 09 2010 06:42 GMT
#111
Please tell me Artosis has an IdrA vs Clide match to cast in that replay pack.
TypeFake
Profile Joined September 2010
United States121 Posts
December 09 2010 06:47 GMT
#112
On December 09 2010 14:07 IseeFish wrote:
Nice interview, but severely underestimating TSL_Rain IMO.


You've got to be kidding me. I'm amazed Rain got to where he is with his crap playstyle. He cheesed so hard to take out his opponents who were 100x more worthy of moving on than him. Screw his apology on PlayXP. His games aren't even worthwhile to watch. Watching him made me about as sick as watching ActionCheesuz in DreamHack.
NExt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1651 Posts
December 09 2010 06:50 GMT
#113
On December 09 2010 14:45 nihoh wrote:
Neither HongUn or Rain deserve to be there, but Idra certainly deserves to be there in the semi-finals.

/s


I understand Rain.. but why not HongUn? I'm an IdrA fan for sure, but this was just an odd thing to say.

I don't see why IdrA said HongUn is a cheesy Protoss. ggs.

gl hf
Waiting for Protoss Jesus
whomybuddy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States620 Posts
December 09 2010 06:51 GMT
#114
what do artosis do in his free time while not casting GSL? he casts more sc2. XD
Roaches all the way way way.
Contagious
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States1319 Posts
December 09 2010 06:54 GMT
#115
Always enjoy what he has to say. Speaks professionally, and keeps it honest. Good interview.
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
December 09 2010 06:56 GMT
#116
On December 09 2010 14:31 Braveheartsc wrote:
I'm no pro, but it really seems that Idra's air of superiority is really unwarranted. We have seen him choke in all three GSL's and frankly he may be able to outmacro opponents but he makes terrible decisions regarding unit composition and positioning. He also rarely uses support units like infestors, or cheeky plays like burrowed roaches or baneling drops.

It seems to me that his play is very one dimensional... but maybe I am wrong.


Just nitpicking, but he was using burrowed roaches earlier on his stream
ehalf
Profile Joined September 2010
408 Posts
December 09 2010 06:57 GMT
#117
Irda should be the best interviewer/player in the world. He never hides anything, just speaks out all his thoughts in his mind.
Yet people still blaming him BM ... How ironic.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 09 2010 07:05 GMT
#118
Artosis, how did you get to be so cool?!
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
December 09 2010 07:10 GMT
#119
Nice interview thanks
starckr
Profile Joined September 2010
26 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 07:26:03
December 09 2010 07:11 GMT
#120
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
December 09 2010 07:14 GMT
#121
Thank you very much man Love the interview.. so good to see IdrA on coaching. Hope he does well
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
December 09 2010 07:18 GMT
#122
Thank you for the interview, interesting
★ Top Gun ★
WarSong
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada126 Posts
December 09 2010 07:18 GMT
#123
thanks a ton Artosis, for making the effort to bring us this kind of content. it's appreciated by all! give tasteless a high five for me please <3
Til water is gone, til shade is gone: into the Blight with teeth bared, to spit in Sightblinder's eye on the Last Day.
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 07:21:23
December 09 2010 07:20 GMT
#124
Keep up the replay VODs! I feel like the music could be a little less, but that might just be an issue of taste since I don't like the zerg music
tchan
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia121 Posts
December 09 2010 07:24 GMT
#125
What's wrong with Clide?
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 07:25:18
December 09 2010 07:25 GMT
#126
Thanks for the cool interview. I love how IdrA is so blunt (as always) about things during the video.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
December 09 2010 07:26 GMT
#127
Great job! Agree with almost everything he said (yea strange :D) very informative stuff.
Administrator
Rawenkeke
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway350 Posts
December 09 2010 07:27 GMT
#128
On December 09 2010 16:24 tchan wrote:
What's wrong with Clide?



Nothing wrong other than Artosis hyping him always up by saying he is gonna win GSL^^
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
December 09 2010 07:30 GMT
#129
Well down man! thanks for spending your day off providing us we a sweet ass interview.. IdrA you definately got the skills to rip the shit up man!!!!!

Have to love the tude
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
SoJu.WeRRa
Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)820 Posts
December 09 2010 07:33 GMT
#130
Thanks Artosis!
나를 찢어갈겨이씨발놈아왜나를미치게만들어니가뭘아는데?
ahwala
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 07:52:35
December 09 2010 07:46 GMT
#131
Nice interview, thanks!

On December 09 2010 14:15 happyness wrote:
"All-ins will continue to be [powerful], it's not like Starcraft 1"


That's pretty depressing. Hopefully Idra's wrong.


Unfortunately, unless this issue is adressed by Blizzard in whatever way, I'm afraid IdrA is right.
Mr. Nefarious
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
December 09 2010 07:48 GMT
#132
Thank you for the great content Artosis, your VODs and interviews are always of the highest quality.
저그 화이팅
Buddhalol
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada109 Posts
December 09 2010 07:48 GMT
#133
once again you never leave us behind Artosis,

you are a god
Jah Rastafari
ccdnl
Profile Joined April 2010
United States611 Posts
December 09 2010 07:50 GMT
#134
thanks artosis, i hope u've seen the "Artosis gets trolled by GOMTV Forums video, if you view it objectively, even though it's you, you might find it hilarioussss!!!
civil cervixes || Kang Min Fan || I like TLO, TLO= German, I like Germans..?
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
December 09 2010 07:54 GMT
#135
thanks... good interview
TributeBoxer
Profile Joined November 2010
United States163 Posts
December 09 2010 07:56 GMT
#136
Greg Fields, Artosis mentioned that OGSZENIO did a throat cut ceremony after he kicked your ass in GSL. Does that effect you when you play him on ladder? Will you not gg and rage quit when he beats you on ladder? Do you blame Artosis and his stupid build for your loss?
"Violence and corruption, seldom strangers to the human scene, appear to be increasing today."
HogaDjO
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway8 Posts
December 09 2010 07:59 GMT
#137
Love Idra interviews, ty Artosis :D
cplpro
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 08:01:32
December 09 2010 08:00 GMT
#138
Thank you Artosis for this.
And I take this opportunity to ask you to tell Tasteless to use the production tab, he doesn't use it 80% of the time now, either no tab or the stupid unit tab where the stream isn't good enough quality to read the numbers anyway. It's just one keyboard press for a enormous gain in viewer pleasure, ask him please.
OwlFeet
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
75 Posts
December 09 2010 08:05 GMT
#139
On December 09 2010 17:00 MrCon wrote:
Thank you Artosis for this.
And I take this opportunity to ask you to tell Tasteless to use the production tab, he doesn't use it 80% of the time now, either no tab or the stupid unit tab where the stream isn't good enough quality to read the numbers anyway. It's just one keyboard press for a enormous gain in viewer pleasure, ask him please.


Listen to state of the game a few weeks ago. Tyler et al. make a great case for why mystery and not having the production tab up all the time, is good for the sport.
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
December 09 2010 08:10 GMT
#140
Idra's narcisism is funny to see. I agree with a lot of stuff he sais but basically his hate for 'cheesy' play is completely throwing off his perspective of the game.
THe fact he is narcistic is so easy to see by the fact he doesn't think anyone is good (except for jinro, which is basically a must if you are doing a interview that will be posted on TL) while thinking basically everyone is crap. His weakness is just never wanting to cheese because it looks so stupid when cheese fails. As a result he is basically a way too predictable player though and I won't predict he will go far in GSL alot.
Also all this talk of jinro being such a macro player is overrated too. Jinro won almost the entire MLG on cheesy plays and also used a fair bit of cheese in GSL (like steppes against choya and he tried to as well on DQ). All-in play should just be a part of every player's game as it makes one unpredictable, also as idra SHOULD learn cheesy play is also the easiest way to DEFEND against cheesy play. People always cheese idra because there is basically no fear idra will cheese you just before or at the same time, while if you do a 1-base all-in the biggest fear is usually the other player doing a 1-base all-in that directly counters yours. For example jinro lost his game on DQ vs choya because he tried to do 1 base banshee/raven play while choya was doing 1 base fast robo play.

I love the fact idra just spits everything out but his view of the game is completely wrong in many aspects simply because he doesn't "like" certain aspects of the game. If the game was all macro games it would be way more boring, the balance between macro and cheese is the only problem at the moment.
Also claiming that 'mules' are the reason cheese plays are so strong is just rediculous, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. THe only thing Mules changed compared to sc1 is making 14 cc a dead build as it's economically worse then rax first, that however is a very small difference to the cheese factor terran needs to use.
The real reason cheese see's so much play is the fact that
A) terran is underpowered late game, jinro's success is no reason to deny this as 1) he used a lot of cheese as well and 2) people cheese AGAINST him a lot because they don't expect a macro game from them 3) jinro had opponent's with a TERRIBLE lategame so far in GSL (moon was awful, polt suicided himself and choya lost more to the cheese then lategame from jinro actually).
B) the mappool favors cheese too much because there are a few maps where the rush distance is extremely short, if steppes & blistering sands would be removed and close spawn LT/meta is eliminated the game would see ALOT less cheese. Terran would be very underpowered as well though if this happened as they have the worst macro game.

Basically I think a small lategame terran buff along with balancing the map pool would be a fine solution to the current problems.
s2pid_loser
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
December 09 2010 08:16 GMT
#141
thanks for the vid artosis!!!! really good watch
Et Ducit Mundum Per Luce
z00t
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia976 Posts
December 09 2010 08:30 GMT
#142
Thanks for the interview, Artosis!

Some classic Idra quotes in there ^^. "and so he [ret] lost to a player who's way worse than him"
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
December 09 2010 08:32 GMT
#143
Artosis- "clide"
Idra - "shut up"

LMAO
Jarek
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia35 Posts
December 09 2010 08:32 GMT
#144
Love your work Artosisssssss
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
December 09 2010 08:36 GMT
#145
great work artosis, it's been too long without these. much appreciated!
Do you really want chat rooms?
Werk
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States294 Posts
December 09 2010 08:39 GMT
#146
Artosis i love your behind the scenes videos of Korea, shows a lot of the stuff that otherwise would be unknown to us noobs = )
Do Werk Son
Falcon_NL
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands236 Posts
December 09 2010 08:42 GMT
#147
Hey everyone, im artosis! and along side me is EYEdra.. *IdrA looks down, lost hope for him*
and its a BLACK HOLE !! OH MY GOD BLACK HOOOOLEEE - Tobi Wan
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
December 09 2010 08:43 GMT
#148
Great Interview as always Artosis. Thanks for the insight into IdrA's mind.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
backtoback
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1276 Posts
December 09 2010 08:44 GMT
#149
lmao tester doing great? I will laugh at all the memebers of TL who says he is still good after failing to qualiy in 2 GSLs. Yes, he might be unlucky with cheese but two GSLs? That is really depressing. Can't freaken wait to see idrA hating on tester rather than praising him when he gets crushed.
dizzy101
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2066 Posts
December 09 2010 08:47 GMT
#150
Clide is pretty good. His matches against Leenock were the most enjoyable out of the whole GSL season 3 so far.
Rb6v King
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia54 Posts
December 09 2010 08:49 GMT
#151
Thanks Artosis, golden moments :p

"Clide?"
"Shut up".

Epic
Hard work pays off over time, laziness pays off now.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 08:52:08
December 09 2010 08:51 GMT
#152
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 09 2010 17:10 Markwerf wrote:
Idra's narcisism is funny to see. I agree with a lot of stuff he sais but basically his hate for 'cheesy' play is completely throwing off his perspective of the game.
THe fact he is narcistic is so easy to see by the fact he doesn't think anyone is good (except for jinro, which is basically a must if you are doing a interview that will be posted on TL) while thinking basically everyone is crap. His weakness is just never wanting to cheese because it looks so stupid when cheese fails. As a result he is basically a way too predictable player though and I won't predict he will go far in GSL alot.
Also all this talk of jinro being such a macro player is overrated too. Jinro won almost the entire MLG on cheesy plays and also used a fair bit of cheese in GSL (like steppes against choya and he tried to as well on DQ). All-in play should just be a part of every player's game as it makes one unpredictable, also as idra SHOULD learn cheesy play is also the easiest way to DEFEND against cheesy play. People always cheese idra because there is basically no fear idra will cheese you just before or at the same time, while if you do a 1-base all-in the biggest fear is usually the other player doing a 1-base all-in that directly counters yours. For example jinro lost his game on DQ vs choya because he tried to do 1 base banshee/raven play while choya was doing 1 base fast robo play.

I love the fact idra just spits everything out but his view of the game is completely wrong in many aspects simply because he doesn't "like" certain aspects of the game. If the game was all macro games it would be way more boring, the balance between macro and cheese is the only problem at the moment.
Also claiming that 'mules' are the reason cheese plays are so strong is just rediculous, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. THe only thing Mules changed compared to sc1 is making 14 cc a dead build as it's economically worse then rax first, that however is a very small difference to the cheese factor terran needs to use.
The real reason cheese see's so much play is the fact that
A) terran is underpowered late game, jinro's success is no reason to deny this as 1) he used a lot of cheese as well and 2) people cheese AGAINST him a lot because they don't expect a macro game from them 3) jinro had opponent's with a TERRIBLE lategame so far in GSL (moon was awful, polt suicided himself and choya lost more to the cheese then lategame from jinro actually).
B) the mappool favors cheese too much because there are a few maps where the rush distance is extremely short, if steppes & blistering sands would be removed and close spawn LT/meta is eliminated the game would see ALOT less cheese. Terran would be very underpowered as well though if this happened as they have the worst macro game.

Basically I think a small lategame terran buff along with balancing the map pool would be a fine solution to the current problems.


1) If Idra is a narcisist, so is half the people I face on ladder.
2) It of course depends on how you define "far" but he have already gone further in these first gsl than most players.
3) No one has said that Jinro never cheese or all-in, but claiming he cheesed his way through MLG is ridiculous.
4) Also your claim that mules have "nothing to do" with cheese is what is ridiculous... "THe only thing Mules changed compared to sc1 is making 14 cc a dead build as it's economically worse then rax first, that however is a very small difference to the cheese factor terran needs to use." Just lol.
Mongery
Profile Joined May 2009
892 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 08:55:03
December 09 2010 08:54 GMT
#153
Artosis like usual ur great! Nothing more to say.

Idra got a mind just like me. Were really much a like when it comes to thinking i guess. Idra knows he got talent and knowledge. He will make it far in the next GSL

By the way i would love to see more of Leenock! that kid got some great skills going on.
http://www.twitch.tv/mongery_tv https://www.esportsearnings.com/players/27699-mongery-
MementoMori
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada419 Posts
December 09 2010 08:59 GMT
#154
Hey Artosis nice interview and commentary. The volume for your voice and game sound seemed good to me!
for the world is hollow and I have touched the sky
ShootingStars
Profile Joined August 2010
1475 Posts
December 09 2010 09:09 GMT
#155
idra is always keeping it REAL, unlike the rest of the players
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
December 09 2010 09:10 GMT
#156
Reliable Artosis, always bringing the goods. Thank you! Really good questions.
KTY
MementoMori
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada419 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 09:13:20
December 09 2010 09:12 GMT
#157
Is it just me or does it seem like Idra keeps getting less and less negative in each interview? I enjoyed this one. I like his attitude but sometimes I feel like he can go a little overboard with it. But recently it's seemed different.
for the world is hollow and I have touched the sky
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
December 09 2010 09:13 GMT
#158
Damn IdrA is a freakin genius
Nerf MMMT!!! Liquid`Ret Hwaiting!!!
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
December 09 2010 09:18 GMT
#159
nicely done, the entrance looks shady thou P:
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
Boundless
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada588 Posts
December 09 2010 09:22 GMT
#160
I love IdrA's commentary, whether he's calling someone bad or just talking about the game. We know that he's a Starcraft elitist, but that's why we love him!
"Sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace." - Romans 6:14
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
December 09 2010 09:23 GMT
#161
Thank you to Artosis and Idra for the great interview, it was quite interesting.

The replay was awesome quality and the volume levels were pretty much perfect for me. Solo commentating by Artosis is still just as good, I'm going to subscribe to your youtube channel keep up the good work!
I <3 Plexa.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
December 09 2010 09:24 GMT
#162
Thanks a bunch
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
stratman
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada110 Posts
December 09 2010 09:28 GMT
#163
Thanks Artosis. Everyone loves Idra, it's just some people don't know it yet. As long as he's not in the middle of losing a game, his views are actually pretty balanced and he doesn't qq that much.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 12:36:21
December 09 2010 09:32 GMT
#164
Thanks for more Interviews Idra. Also the sound quality was great :D

edit: lol. Loved how 1/3rd of the players in Code S would drop out.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
borny
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China481 Posts
December 09 2010 09:39 GMT
#165
Hey I live in China and the great national firewall here blocks whatever site that hosts this interview. Just a quick question, did Idra say something about Jinro and his recent performance? If so, what did he say?
Naniwa . July . Morrow . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Go STARTALE!
bcw
Profile Joined September 2010
6 Posts
December 09 2010 09:40 GMT
#166
this interview looked like it took place in a stairwell
Crashburn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States476 Posts
December 09 2010 09:41 GMT
#167
On December 09 2010 18:39 borny wrote:
Hey I live in China and the great national firewall here blocks whatever site that hosts this interview. Just a quick question, did Idra say something about Jinro and his recent performance? If so, what did he say?


It's hosted on YouTube, so it's no surprise that it's blocked in your country.

Idra said that Jinro was the most impressive Terran in the GSL, better than any Korean he's seen. Praised him for being one of the few Terrans willing to play a macro game. Made a funny comment about people complaining about supposed Terran weakness in the late game being proven wrong by Jinro.

That was pretty much it.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
December 09 2010 09:42 GMT
#168
On December 09 2010 18:39 borny wrote:
Hey I live in China and the great national firewall here blocks whatever site that hosts this interview. Just a quick question, did Idra say something about Jinro and his recent performance? If so, what did he say?


He was quite complementary of him saying things like him and MC should be the final and when they analysed the class S players and the favourites for each race he only said Jinro for terrans.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Scrimpton
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom465 Posts
December 09 2010 09:43 GMT
#169
Artosis is a perfect gentleman
Protoss is the only race with "pro" in it
adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
December 09 2010 09:54 GMT
#170
Idra's best interview thus far, he went up in my book a lot, especially because of his stream and doing things for fans.
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
BeWat3r
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany182 Posts
December 09 2010 09:56 GMT
#171
Im really looking forward to hear more of this stuff. I hope Artosis can feed our little nerd souls with more awesome informations.
Writer and moderator for TaKeTV.net
hefty
Profile Joined January 2005
Denmark555 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 10:18:51
December 09 2010 09:56 GMT
#172
Thank you! Both for a nice interview and because you upload to youtube now - had so much problems with your old videos on scforall.

On December 09 2010 19:10 wonderwall wrote:
Great to hear Idra straight shooting and giving his honest opinion on the players in GSL. Instead of just generic comments he says who is the better player, where the winner is most likely to come from, who is good in the game, who is lacking, interesting stuff. He's got the right idea with the direction the game needs to go. Scouting is always good and the more information we have the less powerful cheese becomes.


That's idra delivering as always! Even if he has been over the top now and then, most of the time he is just honest and it is sooo much more interesting than the generic speak. No matter what the event/subject (well, obviously it should be sc2 related) his opinion is always one I like to hear.

Oh, and as some point out he seems more "mannered" here than previously, but I believe he always gave credit where he thought it was due. Thing is in sc foreigners were inferior to Koreans, and from his perspective most were shit. Now that foreigners can compete at top level we will see different interviews from him.
wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
December 09 2010 10:10 GMT
#173
Great to hear Idra straight shooting and giving his honest opinion on the players in GSL. Instead of just generic comments he says who is the better player, where the winner is most likely to come from, who is good in the game, who is lacking, interesting stuff. He's got the right idea with the direction the game needs to go. Scouting is always good and the more information we have the less powerful cheese becomes.
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 11:30:00
December 09 2010 11:29 GMT
#174
Thanks for the interview, but please get a real microphone, and please think about the background in the interview, you can't just sit in a hallway with ugly wall behind you and a half of a door x).
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
wxwx
Profile Joined May 2010
527 Posts
December 09 2010 11:55 GMT
#175
what a great and honest interview. None of that modest/humble facade that some koreans hide behind.

My fav question was when artosis handed a list of players to IdrA and asks him to list the bad players. LOL such a perfect question designed for the gracken. He just goes reading off the names and calling them bad. LOLLLL
kyarisan
Profile Joined May 2010
United States347 Posts
December 09 2010 12:04 GMT
#176
ARTOSIS ! where did you get that hoodie i want it! :D
Herculix
Profile Joined May 2010
United States946 Posts
December 09 2010 12:23 GMT
#177
what was most hilarious about this interview is that i watched it, tuned into Idra's stream, the second opponent he was matched up with since i tuned in was indeed HongUnPrime, and he massacred him nearly effortlessly. LOL
Carras
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina860 Posts
December 09 2010 12:38 GMT
#178
On December 09 2010 13:53 Wolf wrote:
Thanks for sharing! Avoiding studying a few more minutes.


same here,
OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
December 09 2010 12:45 GMT
#179
On December 09 2010 18:54 adeezy wrote:
Idra's best interview thus far, he went up in my book a lot, especially because of his stream and doing things for fans.

well he does get money to do it from EG. :/
i dunno lol
tribbe
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany34 Posts
December 09 2010 13:27 GMT
#180
Sympathetic and informative interview as usual - thanks Artosis & Idra!
Mechs: TTesport's Meka G1 (black), DAS Keyboard Ultimate (blue), Filco Majestouch 2 Tenkeyless (brown)
seanisgrand
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1039 Posts
December 09 2010 13:33 GMT
#181
Thanks for the interview Artosis.
This is well below quality expected of a post in any forum. -Empyrean
DrakanSilva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Chile932 Posts
December 09 2010 13:56 GMT
#182
Jajaja so cool to see IdrA so mannered, I like how he answers the questions, very clever.
In the beginning there was nothing... and then exploded
BleaK_
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway593 Posts
December 09 2010 13:57 GMT
#183
Thank you Artosis!
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 14:07:43
December 09 2010 14:06 GMT
#184
On December 09 2010 21:23 Herculix wrote:
what was most hilarious about this interview is that i watched it, tuned into Idra's stream, the second opponent he was matched up with since i tuned in was indeed HongUnPrime, and he massacred him nearly effortlessly. LOL

It probably wasnt hongun though, I doubt he would be openly laddering just before his GSL semifinal. They all play on smurf accounts and switch around to trick the opponents trying to get some intel.

Not saying that Idra cant beat him but wouldnt read too much into it.
BetterFasterStronger
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States604 Posts
December 09 2010 14:10 GMT
#185
On December 09 2010 23:06 Vimsey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 21:23 Herculix wrote:
what was most hilarious about this interview is that i watched it, tuned into Idra's stream, the second opponent he was matched up with since i tuned in was indeed HongUnPrime, and he massacred him nearly effortlessly. LOL

It probably wasnt hongun though, I doubt he would be openly laddering just before his GSL semifinal. They all play on smurf accounts and switch around to trick the opponents trying to get some intel.

Not saying that Idra cant beat him but wouldnt read too much into it.


IT was hongun, 3 gate voidray all-in... screams hongun...

You clearly don't understand what people do before a match lol.
Top 200 as Protoss - Switched to Terran. 0-30 against EGiNcontroL... God damnet
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 09 2010 15:03 GMT
#186
On December 09 2010 18:56 hefty wrote:
Thank you! Both for a nice interview and because you upload to youtube now - had so much problems with your old videos on scforall.

Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 19:10 wonderwall wrote:
Great to hear Idra straight shooting and giving his honest opinion on the players in GSL. Instead of just generic comments he says who is the better player, where the winner is most likely to come from, who is good in the game, who is lacking, interesting stuff. He's got the right idea with the direction the game needs to go. Scouting is always good and the more information we have the less powerful cheese becomes.


That's idra delivering as always! Even if he has been over the top now and then, most of the time he is just honest and it is sooo much more interesting than the generic speak. No matter what the event/subject (well, obviously it should be sc2 related) his opinion is always one I like to hear.

Oh, and as some point out he seems more "mannered" here than previously, but I believe he always gave credit where he thought it was due. Thing is in sc foreigners were inferior to Koreans, and from his perspective most were shit. Now that foreigners can compete at top level we will see different interviews from him.


I think that's what most people don't understand. Sometimes Idra is rather over the top but he is almost always honest. He just says how he feels. Many pros have similar feelings about certain players but just don't express it.

That being said his rage on ladder is rather over the top and not needed.
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
December 09 2010 15:28 GMT
#187
On December 09 2010 23:10 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 23:06 Vimsey wrote:
On December 09 2010 21:23 Herculix wrote:
what was most hilarious about this interview is that i watched it, tuned into Idra's stream, the second opponent he was matched up with since i tuned in was indeed HongUnPrime, and he massacred him nearly effortlessly. LOL

It probably wasnt hongun though, I doubt he would be openly laddering just before his GSL semifinal. They all play on smurf accounts and switch around to trick the opponents trying to get some intel.

Not saying that Idra cant beat him but wouldnt read too much into it.


IT was hongun, 3 gate voidray all-in... screams hongun...

You clearly don't understand what people do before a match lol.
Yea clearly I dont understand considering Jinro played on another account and his teammates then played 25 games on it to erase the history even on the smurf account whilst you think hongun just practices his Terran GSL builds versus a zerg openly on a ladder whilst its being streamed lol.
Maskedsatyr
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore1245 Posts
December 09 2010 15:34 GMT
#188
Artosis ftw.
"Don't believe in you who believes in me, don't believe in me who believes in you, believe in you...who believes in yourself!"
Maskedsatyr
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore1245 Posts
December 09 2010 15:39 GMT
#189
On December 09 2010 17:44 backtoback wrote:
lmao tester doing great? I will laugh at all the memebers of TL who says he is still good after failing to qualiy in 2 GSLs. Yes, he might be unlucky with cheese but two GSLs? That is really depressing. Can't freaken wait to see idrA hating on tester rather than praising him when he gets crushed.


If you watched the Gstar games tester played in you might think differently.
"Don't believe in you who believes in me, don't believe in me who believes in you, believe in you...who believes in yourself!"
kuroshiro
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom378 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 15:43:36
December 09 2010 15:40 GMT
#190
Great interview, thanks artosis.

Very interesting thoughts on the all-ins. I had been thinking much the same myself over the last few weeks - the new macro mechanics just make the fundamental difference between sc2 and BW and cause the early all-ins to be so powerful.

I wonder what would happen if Queens were lair tech, warpgate was twilight council and mules were a factory upgrade? (Not sure about were chrono would come in). I guess that's just too huge a change to be realistically accomplished. Clearly zerg's tech tree would have to be re-arranged to get some AA in before lair, but I've always thought Roaches and Hydras could be swapped with a little tweaking...
I am you, and you are me.
clayn
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany444 Posts
December 09 2010 15:46 GMT
#191
Thanks for this awesome interview <3
smallerk
Profile Joined October 2010
897 Posts
December 09 2010 16:16 GMT
#192
I agree with idra, all these all in terrans are going to disappear pretty quickly once the all ins are solved.
Never Regret anything because at one time it was exactly what you wanted.
Felony
Profile Joined May 2010
United States131 Posts
December 09 2010 16:39 GMT
#193
<3 Idra
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
December 09 2010 17:16 GMT
#194
Thank you artosis for this amazing work and thank you Idra for being you hahaha

I know why some people hate Idra but i kinda like is cocky attitude..

Best part :

artosis:"clide?"
Idra: "shutt up"

hahaha

and artosis commenting on Idra's easy picking the players that fall ahaha
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
December 09 2010 17:33 GMT
#195
and btw excelent game and cast!
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
Logginurkeyz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States375 Posts
December 09 2010 18:02 GMT
#196
hahha, nice IdrA! "sometimes you look like a genius, sometimes you lose to HongUn Prime..." what a baller!

IdrA will always be my hero...
Jemag... Jemag... you're like an alcoholic telling me why you drink... you have your reasons, but it's still bad... <3 iNcontroL
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 09 2010 18:13 GMT
#197
Ustream's down right now, probably crashed due to teamliquid flodding IdrA's channel
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Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
December 09 2010 18:17 GMT
#198
Great interview thx Artosis. <3 IdrA.
TORTOISE
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
December 09 2010 18:46 GMT
#199
IdrA dogs Hongun and Rain so much. I love IdrA, but he underestimates good korean players purely because they're aggressive or "cheesers".
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KeepYaCoolBro
Profile Joined October 2010
United States49 Posts
December 09 2010 19:02 GMT
#200
Thanks Artosis. Great to see you getting back in the mix so to speak! haha

Did anyone else find it funny that Idra just dimed out some players, saying they shouldn't have been there because of cheese? Start some team wars what what??
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
December 09 2010 19:15 GMT
#201
Such great material! I hope your computer never breaks again, and can't wait to see some of the chaff fall out of Code-S. I especially agree w/Idra that Rainbow and Nestea are overrated, and also sad to see Fruitdealer slip in that last round as he is my favorite zerg to watch stylistically.
Jonas :)
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States511 Posts
December 09 2010 19:38 GMT
#202
<3 Idratosis
Leviwtf
Profile Joined October 2010
174 Posts
December 09 2010 19:40 GMT
#203
I like Idra for being bluntly honest I hope that never changes, it makes him unique out of all the pros.
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
December 09 2010 19:43 GMT
#204
Love that IdrA is the only one who has a bad reputation which makes him immune to not being honest; If he thinks someone is bad he'll say it and he can easily explain why... no one else dares to put it in those words.

<3 IdrA fightiiinn'
My Comment Doesnt Matter Because No One Reads It
Esel
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany151 Posts
December 09 2010 19:48 GMT
#205
sry i am not quite familiar with GSL but isnt code s all the Ro16 Winner ?
i like sc2 more than wc3 because of its mind games , in wc3 the only mind game you could do is go for a different hero than normal to make your opponent thing you are retarded
DailYLeet
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany827 Posts
December 09 2010 20:31 GMT
#206
artosis *_* no homo
"King Goody spoke - you have to treat his words like gold , he is the wisest man , who ever crossed the EU server" - Cloud
Chewie
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark708 Posts
December 09 2010 21:20 GMT
#207
Thanks for the interview! Cant wait for tomorrows match!
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
December 09 2010 22:21 GMT
#208
<3 artosis

clide?
shut up

sometimes you look like a genius, and sometimes you lose to hongunprime
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
Mickey
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2606 Posts
December 09 2010 22:23 GMT
#209
Agreed with most of what he said. I like the fact that he get's to the point.
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
December 09 2010 22:34 GMT
#210
Thanks to Artosis and Idra, very cool stuff.
kliu
Profile Joined October 2010
United States20 Posts
December 09 2010 22:45 GMT
#211
jinro and jinro
(╯°□°)╯︵ _/¯(,,ヽ)¯\_
Sandrosuperstar
Profile Joined November 2009
Sweden525 Posts
December 09 2010 23:08 GMT
#212
man i love idra, im a big fan :D im also an artosisfan so much appriciated!!
I'm homo for Lomo, gay for GGplay, but at the end of the day I put my dong in Lee Jaedong
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
December 09 2010 23:10 GMT
#213
On December 10 2010 00:28 Vimsey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 23:10 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
On December 09 2010 23:06 Vimsey wrote:
On December 09 2010 21:23 Herculix wrote:
what was most hilarious about this interview is that i watched it, tuned into Idra's stream, the second opponent he was matched up with since i tuned in was indeed HongUnPrime, and he massacred him nearly effortlessly. LOL

It probably wasnt hongun though, I doubt he would be openly laddering just before his GSL semifinal. They all play on smurf accounts and switch around to trick the opponents trying to get some intel.

Not saying that Idra cant beat him but wouldnt read too much into it.


IT was hongun, 3 gate voidray all-in... screams hongun...

You clearly don't understand what people do before a match lol.
Yea clearly I dont understand considering Jinro played on another account and his teammates then played 25 games on it to erase the history even on the smurf account whilst you think hongun just practices his Terran GSL builds versus a zerg openly on a ladder whilst its being streamed lol.


Seeing as how HongUn did that same build he used on Idra against Rain. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was HongUn.

It's a shame too, cause Idra smashed it on the stream and then Rain smashed it on Game 2 of the Semis. Ouch for HongUn
Jefferino
Profile Joined May 2010
United States69 Posts
December 09 2010 23:29 GMT
#214
I love Idra's subtle jabs at people.

[When you all in] "sometimes you look like a genius, sometimes you lose to HongUnPrime"
Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-10 00:02:54
December 10 2010 00:01 GMT
#215
On December 10 2010 04:15 Jampackedeon wrote:
Such great material! I hope your computer never breaks again, and can't wait to see some of the chaff fall out of Code-S. I especially agree w/Idra that Rainbow and Nestea are overrated, and also sad to see Fruitdealer slip in that last round as he is my favorite zerg to watch stylistically.


Did he really say Nestea and Rainbow are overated?

They have achieved so much more than him... and showed stronger plays.

I like IdrA's blunt attitude, but sometimes I think he is a little bit off in his assessments. He probably thinks hes better than these players despite going out early each GSL, and all three of the players he lost to promptly lost in the next round.

ninjamuffin
Profile Joined June 2010
United States27 Posts
December 10 2010 01:13 GMT
#216
haha asking IdrA who he thinks is bad... all of the above
has left the game!
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
December 10 2010 02:30 GMT
#217
idra was cheeseD? I thought zenio just raped him
endlives
Profile Joined November 2010
28 Posts
December 10 2010 03:02 GMT
#218
On December 10 2010 09:01 Rarak wrote:


Did he really say Nestea and Rainbow are overated?

They have achieved so much more than him... and showed stronger plays.

I like IdrA's blunt attitude, but sometimes I think he is a little bit off in his assessments. He probably thinks hes better than these players despite going out early each GSL, and all three of the players he lost to promptly lost in the next round.



He didn't say they were over-rated. He said rainbow is terrible, and gave a perfect explanation..he played really really bad. He cheesed and executed horribly in the last rounds he played in, he lost in some very ugly games.

Idra may have gone out but most of his series were well played solid matches imho, he just goes out to aggresive play, by very good players (IMMvP top ranked ladder player in world right?) As he stated aggressive play is very strong and scary right now, its high risk/reward that still works alot of the time at this stage in the game. I really find no fault in much of his analysis.

loved his criticism of the other s-class players at the end, pure comedy.
Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
December 10 2010 03:15 GMT
#219
Nice interview but that ZvZ was extremely boring... I hope the match-up doesn't get locked up into that sort of play all the time. I'd take BW ZvZ over that easy.
plual226
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand17 Posts
December 10 2010 03:15 GMT
#220
Idra is almost always bang on. I just wish his stars would align soon so we can see him in some best of 7's.
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
December 10 2010 03:38 GMT
#221
Did he really say Nestea and Rainbow are overated?

They have achieved so much more than him... and showed stronger plays.

I like IdrA's blunt attitude, but sometimes I think he is a little bit off in his assessments. He probably thinks hes better than these players despite going out early each GSL, and all three of the players he lost to promptly lost in the next round.


I don't understand the connection between having an opinion and having to be better than the person to have that opinion of them.

I mean if that is the case than this forum wouldn't exist, as it is pretty much 1000s of people deciding who is good and who isn't and they are nowhere near their skill level. Idra is as close as we get to the inside the game point of view in Korean. Most of the time and it is a great point of view from a high level player who is competing at that level(this will hopefully change now that there are more foreign players there but for a while it was just Idra). He is clearly a skilled enough player to assess the other players around Korea so it isn't like he is some hack spouting out his opinions. Like it or not he is right most of the time.

The guy has done more than enough to be credible, he has accomplished plenty, and I for one am glad he is willing to just say it as it is and not sugercoat everything which gets so old in this PC world we are in.
Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
December 10 2010 04:17 GMT
#222
On December 10 2010 12:38 FLuE wrote:
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Did he really say Nestea and Rainbow are overated?

They have achieved so much more than him... and showed stronger plays.

I like IdrA's blunt attitude, but sometimes I think he is a little bit off in his assessments. He probably thinks hes better than these players despite going out early each GSL, and all three of the players he lost to promptly lost in the next round.


I don't understand the connection between having an opinion and having to be better than the person to have that opinion of them.

I mean if that is the case than this forum wouldn't exist, as it is pretty much 1000s of people deciding who is good and who isn't and they are nowhere near their skill level. Idra is as close as we get to the inside the game point of view in Korean. Most of the time and it is a great point of view from a high level player who is competing at that level(this will hopefully change now that there are more foreign players there but for a while it was just Idra). He is clearly a skilled enough player to assess the other players around Korea so it isn't like he is some hack spouting out his opinions. Like it or not he is right most of the time.

The guy has done more than enough to be credible, he has accomplished plenty, and I for one am glad he is willing to just say it as it is and not sugercoat everything which gets so old in this PC world we are in.


If what you say is true then IdrA should also think himself to be an absolute failure and terrible player which I personally dont believe at all and I really doubt he thinks that about himself.

Say what you like about IdrA's opponents but they have not been impressive in the GSL. Mvp looked lost in the next set vs choya, lotze got beat badly and never seen again.. and Zenio lost in straight sets to the 'overated' Nestea.

I like his frank opinions and enjoy watching him play but I really think he exaggerates a whole lot.
Jermstuddog
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2231 Posts
December 10 2010 05:11 GMT
#223
IdrA has still proven plenty that his opinions are fairly accurate. So lets take a few seconds and appreciate all the awesome that is IdrA.

He has taken home more SC2 prize money than any other foreigner to date.

He has consistently gotten into the playoff rounds of GSL.

He does his part to contribute to the game-wide strategy trending.

He gives us countless hours of entertainment through his BM, raging, and general unpleasantness.

As it turns out, marines don't actually cost any money -Jinro
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
December 10 2010 06:24 GMT
#224
If what you say is true then IdrA should also think himself to be an absolute failure and terrible player which I personally dont believe at all and I really doubt he thinks that about himself.

Say what you like about IdrA's opponents but they have not been impressive in the GSL. Mvp looked lost in the next set vs choya, lotze got beat badly and never seen again.. and Zenio lost in straight sets to the 'overated' Nestea.

I like his frank opinions and enjoy watching him play but I really think he exaggerates a whole lot.


What are you talking about? I was simply making the comment that you can have an opinion on someone you don't have to be better than them to have that opinion, it can still be valid. I think you are misunderstanding what I wrote to be honest, because your response seems to make 0 sense to me.

ilmman
Profile Joined September 2010
364 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-10 15:34:31
December 10 2010 06:51 GMT
#225
Can someone post a korean translation to their site and telling them what idra thinks about how bad the some of the pro gamers are..??? I would love to see their reaction in the forthcoming matches.. hahah
Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-10 09:23:41
December 10 2010 09:22 GMT
#226
On December 10 2010 14:11 Jermstuddog wrote:
IdrA has still proven plenty that his opinions are fairly accurate. So lets take a few seconds and appreciate all the awesome that is IdrA.

He has proven he is not as solid as the players he disses...

I doubt idra will ever be good enough to win a gsl, for the simple reason that he's not a allround player and super predictable.
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
December 10 2010 13:00 GMT
#227
^perhaps (actually I would be very surprised if he actually won GSL, since next time it's pure Code S), but that does not make him any less of a worthy critic of the SC2 scene since he actually lives it. He doesn't need to be better than players to say they aren't good or are overrated.
the farm ends here
Copenap
Profile Joined October 2010
723 Posts
December 10 2010 13:05 GMT
#228
On December 10 2010 15:24 FLuE wrote:
Show nested quote +
If what you say is true then IdrA should also think himself to be an absolute failure and terrible player which I personally dont believe at all and I really doubt he thinks that about himself.

Say what you like about IdrA's opponents but they have not been impressive in the GSL. Mvp looked lost in the next set vs choya, lotze got beat badly and never seen again.. and Zenio lost in straight sets to the 'overated' Nestea.

I like his frank opinions and enjoy watching him play but I really think he exaggerates a whole lot.


What are you talking about? I was simply making the comment that you can have an opinion on someone you don't have to be better than them to have that opinion, it can still be valid. I think you are misunderstanding what I wrote to be honest, because your response seems to make 0 sense to me.



He understood you perfectly but you don't seem to understand.

I absolutly agree that you can have an opinion on peoples skill even if they are better then you. But if X says Y is a bad player but Y is better than X (I'm beeing hypothetical here, cause that's always arguable), then you would have to consider X an even worse player.

Now you have to understand that if I (some random sc2 nerd) would say Y is bad and Y is a progamer, I would of course mean he is bad in the context of being a progamer/top lever player and I am of course worse. But if X (a pro gamer himself) says the same thing about Y you really have to wonder, what would that make X?

Just trying to make the above discussion clear, I'm not commenting on who I think is the better player and I love that Idra always says what he thinks.
jarod
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania766 Posts
December 10 2010 15:17 GMT
#229
Idra has really good music on the streams. And about who is overrated on who is not, we will see next year the gsl, when ppl will know how to counter better the all ins or rushes, and we will see longer and more skill related matches then this year. Idra is good in longer games, maybe even the Nestea or Rainbow, he deservers an opinion. I started to like this guy even if first i disliked he, he seems to be full of him, but turned out he is pretty good. Yeah he don`t win any GSL and don`t even BO8 but he has Code S, that means allot, he is constant and he is better and better. GG Idra!
Maru | Life | herO
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
December 10 2010 15:55 GMT
#230
well at least idra seems to have predicted the results correctly ...
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
December 10 2010 18:00 GMT
#231
This is why I love IdrA he's just brutally honest and more often than not pretty damn accurate. thanks for the video.
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neoenigma
Profile Joined October 2010
United States243 Posts
December 10 2010 19:44 GMT
#232
Love interviews with Idra. Especially love watching him beat Zenio pretty convincingly in the replay video Looks like his ZvZ has improved a lot.
alonndo
Profile Joined August 2010
46 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-10 20:59:12
December 10 2010 20:56 GMT
#233
150$/hour coaching seems he lost not only the game also his mind
He can't be serious that his work is worth this.Most comes from training and not a guy telling you that this is map is sooooooooooo terran favoured.

Well, people who do this deserve it anyways
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
December 10 2010 21:34 GMT
#234
On December 11 2010 05:56 alonndo wrote:
150$/hour coaching seems he lost not only the game also his mind
He can't be serious that his work is worth this.Most comes from training and not a guy telling you that this is map is sooooooooooo terran favoured.

Well, people who do this deserve it anyways


Idra explained why it's $150 / hour on State of the Game

he does not want to spend a lot of his time on coaching, so the $150 / hour price tag eliminates a very large portion of people who are interested in receiving Starcraft coaching.
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ALARM
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany63 Posts
December 10 2010 21:55 GMT
#235
"You do Roach/Ling all-ins and sometimes u look like genius, and sometimes u get beat by Hong-un.Prime" LOL, Idra brings his joke-boots to the interview!
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
December 10 2010 22:03 GMT
#236
Why do people still hate on IdrA? Honestly, he's probably the coolest pro gamer around right now. You would charge $150 an hour for coaching if you actually valued your time (or you had fans that would actually pay that much, LOL). And watching his stream is better than Christmas.
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
December 10 2010 22:27 GMT
#237
Always love watching these interviews - thanks guys!

"Sometimes you look like a genius, sometimes you lose to HongUnPrime." LOL
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toadstool
Profile Joined May 2006
Australia421 Posts
December 10 2010 22:41 GMT
#238
You guys are making too big a deal about Idra's bluntness. Those are his observations, not every good player has to be humble and say "Oh Nestea is so good, oh rainbow is so good".

His observations about certain players are interesting and provide an insight to what a good SC2 player's impressions of korean sc2 players are like from personal experience, it doesn't have to be absolutely true.
NEWB?!
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
December 11 2010 03:24 GMT
#239
thanks artosis
Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
December 11 2010 10:32 GMT
#240
On December 11 2010 03:00 crms wrote:
This is why I love IdrA he's just brutally honest and more often than not pretty damn accurate. thanks for the video.

What is honest about saying some1 who won gsl is bad? When he could never do that himself?

That's just being a hater :D.
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
Crabby
Profile Joined August 2010
United States66 Posts
December 11 2010 11:42 GMT
#241
Great interview but I confess, I was a bit distracted by the midget mic.
If she ain't 280, she ain't a lady
powerdawg96
Profile Joined November 2010
United States129 Posts
December 11 2010 17:51 GMT
#242
lol artosis "cliiide!"


Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
December 11 2010 20:58 GMT
#243
On December 11 2010 07:41 toadstool wrote:
You guys are making too big a deal about Idra's bluntness. Those are his observations, not every good player has to be humble and say "Oh Nestea is so good, oh rainbow is so good".

His observations about certain players are interesting and provide an insight to what a good SC2 player's impressions of korean sc2 players are like from personal experience, it doesn't have to be absolutely true.


Now that i had a chance to watch i agree it was a good interview. He didnt really diss nestea that much - still considered him top 2 zergs. I doubt rainbow will drop off tho, hes too good for that.
TSM
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Great Britain584 Posts
December 11 2010 21:33 GMT
#244
why are they in a prison cell?
The person to smile when everything goes wrong has found someone to blame it on - arthur bloch **** tl:dr *user was banned for this post*
anGe
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium23 Posts
December 12 2010 00:38 GMT
#245
On December 11 2010 19:32 Technique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2010 03:00 crms wrote:
This is why I love IdrA he's just brutally honest and more often than not pretty damn accurate. thanks for the video.

What is honest about saying some1 who won gsl is bad? When he could never do that himself?

That's just being a hater :D.


You should learn to hear properly honestly. He just said Nestea was not as good as Artosis thinks he is. That's way different from calling him bad. Plus he clearly said Nestea isn't bad.

Great interview tho, thx to you two. Amazing stream btw.
Why so serious?
thekibk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States116 Posts
December 12 2010 09:44 GMT
#246
rainbow, liveforever, hyperdub, san, legalmind, jooktojung, anypro, thebest, rain are idra's predictions. wonder who will actually fall.
Corn is no place for a mighty warrior!
Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
December 12 2010 10:40 GMT
#247
On December 12 2010 09:38 anGe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2010 19:32 Technique wrote:
On December 11 2010 03:00 crms wrote:
This is why I love IdrA he's just brutally honest and more often than not pretty damn accurate. thanks for the video.

What is honest about saying some1 who won gsl is bad? When he could never do that himself?

That's just being a hater :D.


You should learn to hear properly honestly. He just said Nestea was not as good as Artosis thinks he is. That's way different from calling him bad. Plus he clearly said Nestea isn't bad.

Great interview tho, thx to you two. Amazing stream btw.

Because he realised he would look like a even bigger hater, since before he said something along the lines ''some1 that bad can be gsl champ''.
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 12 2010 19:40 GMT
#248
I never used to be an Idrafan, but his analysis videos in www.myEG.net are great. This guy really knows how to play SC2
-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
December 12 2010 21:50 GMT
#249
Answer to the terran 2 racks pressure?

Don't go 14 hatch. I've never lost to this going 14gas/14pool then 21 hatch.
Elmo
Profile Joined July 2010
France90 Posts
December 13 2010 00:26 GMT
#250
He wasn't talking about the 2 rax pressure, he knows how to answer to that.

He was talking about the marine/scv allin.
jamesr12
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1549 Posts
December 13 2010 01:17 GMT
#251
artosis I like your hoodie
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306479
MewDuB
Profile Joined December 2010
United States10 Posts
December 13 2010 05:44 GMT
#252
<3 idra good interview.
Trattor
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil21 Posts
December 13 2010 07:45 GMT
#253
HE DONT RESPECT THE CLIDE 0.0

<3 IdrArtosteless
Intangibil
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania20 Posts
December 13 2010 09:38 GMT
#254
Nice interview, I like idra's style ... too bad some of his opinions aren't that good.
Prof.Oak
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada24 Posts
December 13 2010 12:44 GMT
#255
Great interview artosis, thank you so much for this.
Prof.Oak
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada24 Posts
December 13 2010 12:45 GMT
#256
Sorry for double post but does anyone know when idra streams?
neoenigma
Profile Joined October 2010
United States243 Posts
December 13 2010 15:46 GMT
#257
On December 13 2010 18:38 Intangibil wrote:
Nice interview, I like idra's style ... too bad some of his opinions aren't that good.

That's just your opinion... and it isn't that good.
TheResidentEvil
Profile Joined September 2010
United States991 Posts
December 13 2010 16:07 GMT
#258
great job dan
LiOn
Profile Joined December 2002
Austria239 Posts
December 14 2010 00:31 GMT
#259
thanks for that, keep it going
진지해? ^_^
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
December 14 2010 03:33 GMT
#260
Excellent interview.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
havenrl
Profile Joined August 2010
Ireland23 Posts
December 14 2010 11:45 GMT
#261
very good interview!!
Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
December 14 2010 21:41 GMT
#262
Awesome, thanks alot!
God is dead.
Liquid_Adun
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada205 Posts
December 14 2010 23:01 GMT
#263
i agree the power of the all ins are supported by the structure of the game. the activation of warp gates. The explosion of resources by mules, and the larva boom by zerg. Im predicting Terran all ins to be significantly less effective with the new patch, making the repairing scvs have more priority will help greatly.
I have returned.
Gulzt
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands275 Posts
December 16 2010 11:19 GMT
#264
Very good interview! Well done!
Gulzt
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands275 Posts
December 16 2010 11:41 GMT
#265
On December 15 2010 08:01 Liquid_Adun wrote:
i agree the power of the all ins are supported by the structure of the game. the activation of warp gates. The explosion of resources by mules, and the larva boom by zerg. Im predicting Terran all ins to be significantly less effective with the new patch, making the repairing scvs have more priority will help greatly.


True, and I think the all-ins hurt the lower tier players even more. Because the execution of a terran all-in takes a lot less skill than defending it. The defending player has to be a lot better than the executing player. As we can clearly see in the GSL the difference isn't always big enough for zerg to hold it. As says IdrA.

It's quite obvious from the replays where I lost as zerg to a terran all-in. Taking my terrible mistakes and lack of good decision-making aside, I lose to players with 25 APM in diamond. I have never faced a zerg-player with 25 APM in diamond, yet in my replays I have tons of terrans with 25-35APM..
I suck for not dealing with it appropriately, but it still feels lame terrans that are that slow still get a decent chance...
Not saying the match-up is Imba, just that "some" of the strats for terran require obviously less skill to be executed decently.
recline
Profile Joined December 2010
United States76 Posts
December 17 2010 09:12 GMT
#266
im definitely going to be following his stream to get my Zerg skills up. By far my favorite zzerg player
xciLe
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway213 Posts
December 19 2010 21:06 GMT
#267
nice, thanks for the video
i love idrA :D
Protoss OP
Selias
Profile Joined December 2010
16 Posts
January 03 2011 19:31 GMT
#268
I have the feeling that IdrA is pretty objective in his interviews. He just tells it how it is, even at the cost of hurting some feelings.
Sarsaparilla
Profile Joined November 2010
United States12 Posts
January 19 2011 20:06 GMT
#269
Are you guys doing a new one anytime soon?
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