Monday, Nov 22 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) NesTea vs Jys: Shakuras Plateau, Delta Quadrant, Xel'Naga Caverns oGsVines vs Sen: Steppes of War, Delta Quadrant, Blistering Sands LittleBoy vs JookToJung: Shakuras Plateau, Blistering Sands, Xel'Naga Caverns MakaPrime vs Sleep: Xel'Naga Caverns, Steppes of War, Jungle Basin oGsTheWinD vs GoldenfOu: Xel'Naga Caverns, Shakuras Plateau, Scrap Station
Tuesday, Nov 23 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Rache vs ST_Squirtle: Steppes of War, Xel'Naga Caverns, Jungle Basin DreamizEr vs Rain: Shakuras Plateau, Jungle Basin, Xel'Naga Caverns Libero vs Genius: Metalopolis, Xel'Naga Caverns, Shakuras Plateau RainBOw vs NewDawn: Metalopolis, Shakuras Plateau, Steppes of War BitByBit vs HayprO: Blistering Sands, Scrap Station, Xel'Naga Caverns
Tuesday, Nov 23 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Tosyad vs FruitDealer: Scrap Station, Jungle Basin, Metalopolis sCfOu vs Bless: Metalopolis, Lost Temple, Scrap Station anyproPrime vs TheBestfOu: Lost Temple, Steppes of War, Metalopolis NEXNaya vs HongUnPrime Delta Quadrant, Metalopolis, Jungle Basin
Wednesday, Nov 24 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) ret vs Cyrano: Metalopolis, Jungle Basin, Xel'Naga Caverns JSLZenith vs Kyrix: Metalopolis, Delta Quadrant, Jungle Basin MarineKingPrime vs NEXLine: Shakuras Plateau, Lost Temple, Jungle Basin GuMihofOu vs Monster: Jungle Basin, Metalopolis, Shakuras Plateau GuineaPig vs Junwi: Lost Temple, Shakuras Plateau, Xel'Naga Caverns
Wednesday, Nov 24 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Clide vs Leenock: Jungle Basin, Lost Temple, Shakuras Plateau Max vs oGsHyperdub: Blistering Sands, Scrap Station, Delta Quadrant oGsMC vs OdinMvP: Jungle Basin, Shakuras Plateau, Xel'Naga Caverns July vs cOreZenith: Shakuras Plateau, Delta Quadrant, Steppes of War
Thursday, Nov 25 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) aLivefOu vs oGsZenio: Lost Temple, Jungle Basin, Metalopolis PoltPrime vs NsP.Joon: Delta Quadrant, Scrap Station, Xel'Naga Caverns Jinro vs NEXDrug: Delta Quadrant, Metalopolis, Jungle Basin Moon vs ButterflyEffect: Shakuras Plateau, Xel'Naga Caverns, Delta Quadrant IdrA vs NEXChoa: Shakuras Plateau, Steppes of War, Jungle Basin
Thursday, Nov 25 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) IMMVP vs Banbanssu: Scrap Station, Metalopolis, Delta Quadrant AnnYeong vs Choya: Jungle Basin, Metalopolis, Shakuras Plateau Destination vs CheckPrime: Scrap Station, Steppes of War, Lost Temple SlayerSBoxeR vs NEXON: Steppes of War, Shakuras Plateau, Delta Quadrant
There's got to be some kind of scheduling error. IdrA is going to Dreamhack, which starts on the same day as his GSL game. I was expecting him to play on Monday or Tuesday since GomTV seems pretty accommodating to players playing in other tournaments.
Ah, just noticed. Moon is up against TheButterFly in the first round ;_; Thats gonna be one really hard match for him I believe. I cheer for you all the way Jang Jae Ho! Fighting ~
On November 18 2010 11:55 dabom88 wrote: So, any of the new faces in the Ro64 former Brood War pros?
July in group E is the most prominent, as he's a Golden Mouse winner. Max was a lower-tier BW pro, and I could swear there was another but I've forgotten him.
On November 18 2010 11:58 LittleeD wrote: Ah, just noticed. Moon is up against TheButterFly in the first round ;_; Thats gonna be one really hard match for him I believe. I cheer for you all the way Jang Jae Ho! Fighting ~
Thebutterfly is the dude who did 2 fail cheeses on FD 2 games in a row, moon should take it.
On November 18 2010 11:58 LittleeD wrote: Ah, just noticed. Moon is up against TheButterFly in the first round ;_; Thats gonna be one really hard match for him I believe. I cheer for you all the way Jang Jae Ho! Fighting ~
Thebutterfly is the dude who did 2 fail cheeses on FD 2 games in a row, moon should take it.
Oh was that him? Well, maybe he has refined his cheese this time who knows. He did qualify two times though, so hes got something for him
On November 18 2010 12:20 Pekkz wrote: well if it wasnt obvious enough before, it is now. The bracket is fixed, not random Not single "big" match in round 64
Also an unfathomably low number of mirrors vs. the expected number if it were random.
Looks like they are against mirror matchups so early on. Sad really, the more zergs and terrans eliminate each other in mirror matches the more toss has a chance of getting a player to the ro8. Which is the protoss ultimate goal.
On November 18 2010 12:23 Mascherano wrote: Looks like they are against mirror matchups so early on. Sad really, the more zergs and terrans eliminate each other in mirror matches the more toss has a chance of getting a player to the ro8. Which is the protoss ultimate goal.
14 tvz is functionally identical as 7 zvz and 7 tvt as far as how many non-protoss advance. and i'm pretty sure you don't want more pvp.
People are excited that there are hardly any mirror matchups but I actually enjoy watching ZvZ, especially at a pro level. Not so much TvT or PvP though..
On November 18 2010 12:25 Karthane wrote: People are excited that there are hardly any mirror matchups but I actually enjoy watching ZvZ, especially at a pro level. Not so much TvT or PvP though..
I definitely enjoy them sprinkled in compared to TvZ every game.
On November 18 2010 12:25 Karthane wrote: People are excited that there are hardly any mirror matchups but I actually enjoy watching ZvZ, especially at a pro level. Not so much TvT or PvP though..
I definitely enjoy them sprinkled in compared to TvZ every game.
Yep. Plus i know a lot of Zergs are confused about ZvZ at the moment, so to watch it at a high level is actually really educational
On November 18 2010 12:21 Pudge_172 wrote: So is Idra doing DreamHack or not?
I was curious about this, so I looked up the schedule for Dreamhack: 25/11 20.00 Group A / Group B – Round 1 25/11 21.00 Group A / Group B – Round 2 25/11 22.00 Group A / Group B – Round 3 26/11 09.00 Group C / Group D – Round 1 26/11 10.00 Group C / Group D – Round 2 26/11 11.00 Group C / Group D – Round 3 26/11 13.00 Group E / Group F – Round 1 26/11 14.00 Group E / Group F – Round 2 26/11 15.00 Group E / Group F – Round 3 26/11 17.00 Group G / Group H – Round 1 26/11 18.00 Group G / Group H – Round 2 26/11 19.00 Group G / Group H – Round 3
It'll be close, but it's confirmed that he is attending Dreamhack.
I Think it is pretty ridiculous that 25/32 matches have a Zerg in it, and two of those... are a ZvZ... zerg is way too over represented... gimme moar toss plox sorry for QQ
Was kinda hopin for more first round zvz's so they would be thinned out a little, sigh. Anywho, good luck to all the liquid guys slash foreigners in general!
also, i hope the random fOu player makes it into the later rounds...think it could make for some good games.
Nice to see that a lot of the foreigners are matched up with "no-names" (as in they haven't done much in GSL1,2). Hopefully we'll see a bunch of them advancing to the round of 32.
They have 4 brackets and divide races by four and tries to put equal amount of races each bracket
Terran 26 / 4 = 6 per bracket +1 extra to two brackets. Zerg 25 / 4 = 6 per bracket +1 extra to one bracket Protoss 12 / 4 = 3 per bracket Random 1 / over 9000
The only person who got matched up for a TvT is SlayerSBoxeR (and the person he is playing against), that sure is convenient considering it is his best match-up.
It sure looks like these things are rigged. I'm not complaining though, I like to see SlayerSBoxeR go far. Normal tournaments are set up to favor the favorites anyway via various seeding systems.
On November 18 2010 13:46 Impeccable wrote: The only person who got matched up for a TvT is SlayerSBoxeR (and the person he is playing against), that sure is convenient considering it is his best match-up.
It sure looks like these things are rigged. I'm not complaining though, I like to see SlayerSBoxeR go far. Normal tournaments are set up to favor the favorites anyway via various seeding systems.
Just kind of funny
Bless has a TvT as well, but yeah they plan their Ro64 (which is nice in away, allows for possible upsets and doesn't let huge anticipated matches happen too early).
On November 18 2010 13:46 Impeccable wrote: The only person who got matched up for a TvT is SlayerSBoxeR (and the person he is playing against), that sure is convenient considering it is his best match-up.
It sure looks like these things are rigged. I'm not complaining though, I like to see SlayerSBoxeR go far. Normal tournaments are set up to favor the favorites anyway via various seeding systems.
Pullin for all our foreigners, especially IdrA and Sen. Games start monday, right? If so I will be watching them from vacation in Hawaii It looks like the foreigners should be able to make it to Ro32 no problem. Ro16 possibilities will have to wait until actual brackets are up I guess.
Also, I still think its crazy that a random qualified for the first time. Will be interested in watching how they do.
Moon never lose. Moon bring many Warcraft III micro to game for girl. Will be many laugh share as Fifth Race defeat all man, woman, and IdrA! Moon fighting! Yay Moon! :D :D :D
WOW my favorite player, fruitdealer, gets a FREKIN ZVZ!!! OUT OF ALL THE PEOPLE!!!?? And WOW SlayersBoxer matched up TVT, his best matchup, ONCE AGAIN!!?? OUT OF ALL THE PEOPLE?? I wanna see his tvp, because his tvz is really bad
On November 18 2010 14:28 flamewheel wrote: Yo, BoxerPrime is TLPDized wrong, since it links to the Emperor as well.
thanks for the heads up.
On November 18 2010 14:38 sc2guy wrote: To admin/mod, can we put OptimusPrime instead of BoxerPrime? He has finalized on OptimusPrime.
Are you sure about this? in his post-qualifier interview he said he wasn't taking that name because he didn't win so he feels he doesn't deserve it, and today in g-star he went by MarineKingPrime. I just listed him as BoxerPrime because I felt people would recognize him better that way.
I don't recognize the names of the 3 TL opponents from any of the past GSL. Should be good. Same thing with many of the fan favorites. July is probably the one with the "hardest" match-up as the guy he's facing was on the Ro32 once.
Looks like the foreigners all have good chances of getting into the next round. None of their opponents are super well known. Hopefully the quality of the Ro64 matches is a little higher than last season. There were some pretty embarassing games played like Idra's and Foxer's opponents.
JSLZenith vs Kyrix looks like quite a good match-up. I was actually impressed with JSL's play against Tester season 1, though he did lose. It would be interesting to see how he improved.
I see clide/leenock and alivefou/zenio as the big matchups, particularly the latter. Other matches I'm anticipating Fruitdealer's ZvZ (highly praised but I've never seen one yet), and Gumiho's match. It's too bad he got such a tough opponent, but on the up side, playing random should offer the greatest benefit against Zerg opponents.
The order of the games is not indicative of full brackets, it's simply their ro64 matchups. In past seasons games have been played not in bracket order, so it's not a good idea to try to construct a bracket out of these matchups. When I find the brackets, I'll edit them in.
Looking forward to the bolded ones. Not a lot of good stuff going on in the Ro64, which is a good thing, IMO: leave it for the later brackets. Unless we see another dark horse like Foxer (or is it OptimusPrime...or BoxerPrime...whatever) again.
I like how many people are complaining about the huge number of TvZ's, completely ignoring the fact that a good portion of the Ro32 will probably be ZvZ.
Can't wait to see the actual brackets, these matchups look really exciting! GO JINRO!!!
As with last season, it looks like days 2 to 4 of the Ro64 will be split into afternoons and evenings (Korean time), with the non-Korean players in the afternoon sessions (apart from Sen, who is on day 1) and the big-ticket Korean players in the evening (FruitDealer, July, SlayerSBoxeR).
It makes sense, of course, but it's kind of unfortunate, because now I feel compelled to watch at least one match in every block. There goes my sleep for a week.
On November 18 2010 15:35 Tanstaafl wrote: As with last season, it looks like days 2 to 4 of the Ro64 will be split into afternoons and evenings (Korean time), with the non-Korean players in the afternoon sessions (apart from Sen, who is on day 1) and the big-ticket Korean players in the evening (FruitDealer, July, SlayerSBoxeR).
It makes sense, of course, but it's kind of unfortunate, because now I feel compelled to watch at least one match in every block. There goes my sleep for a week.
Just switch to VOD viewing like I have for the last few GSL's. The GOM site is really good about being spoiler friendly.
How were the brackets determined? It looks rather artificial than random to me. Also do we know next rounds' brackets yet or they will decide that after RO64?
Not that I'm complaining bout the lack of transparency, just curious
The order of the games is not indicative of full brackets, it's simply their ro64 matchups. In past seasons games have been played not in bracket order, so it's not a good idea to try to construct a bracket out of these matchups. When I find the brackets, I'll edit them in.
Looking forward to the bolded ones. Not a lot of good stuff going on in the Ro64, which is a good thing, IMO: leave it for the later brackets. Unless we see another dark horse like Foxer (or is it OptimusPrime...or BoxerPrime...whatever) again.
Jeez no love for ret or sen, tough crownd.
Looking at that PlayXP article where it has all of their nation flags next to their ak's is cool, but it surprised me how few foreigners actually made the tournament. No Chinese players, and only 4 foreigners from the west, quite surprising imo. I wonder if that means that this tournament will be even tougher than the last.
On November 18 2010 16:44 mrdx wrote: How were the brackets determined? It looks rather artificial than random to me. Also do we know next rounds' brackets yet or they will decide that after RO64?
Not that I'm complaining bout the lack of transparency, just curious
John has said on his Twitter that he and a group of 5 people build the brackets. Most likely, they try to keep famous players and foreigners away from each other and split up underrepresented races like the protoss. So there is a bit of unofficial seeding.
On November 18 2010 16:44 mrdx wrote: How were the brackets determined? It looks rather artificial than random to me. Also do we know next rounds' brackets yet or they will decide that after RO64?
Not that I'm complaining bout the lack of transparency, just curious
John has said on his Twitter that he and a group of 5 people build the brackets. Most likely, they try to keep famous players and foreigners away from each other and split up underrepresented races like the protoss. So there is a bit of unofficial seeding.
Chances are they're going to start the actual seeding in GSL4 but yeah, makes sense that they would just try to whip it up.
Surprised how few people are talking about July vs cOre, looks to me like could be one of the best matches of the round. I'm really excited to see July's SC2 style, and cOre proved himself to be quite capable in GSL2.
Also, anyone else excited about the prospect of a Moon vs Lyn matchup at some point?
3 foreigners are playing vs. Protoss makes it so hard to root for them =( And the other P´s don´t have easy games aswell. Won´t be many left after ro64 it seems. Some really exciting matches for sure.
Ouch, so few protoss. I was to get some ticket maybe but now after seeing brackets.. I dont want to watch tvz all month arg this is frustrating i was hoping protoss would do better.
On November 18 2010 19:37 Dreadwolf wrote: Ouch, so few protoss. I was to get some ticket maybe but now after seeing brackets.. I dont want to watch tvz all month arg this is frustrating i was hoping protoss would do better.
lol... lookslike all foreigners have doable tasks for their first round matches... Is there a bracket alreadz, so we can see, who might plaz who in which round?
am i the only one thinking its really weird that there are so few mirror matches? there are 27 zerg and only 24 terran, yet there are 14 TvZ matches but only 2 ZvZs. are the matches really chosen randomly?
On November 18 2010 20:14 cavalier3024 wrote: am i the only one thinking its really weird that there are so few mirror matches? there are 27 zerg and only 24 terran, yet there are 14 TvZ matches but only 2 ZvZs. are the matches really chosen randomly?
as mentioned earlier in the thread, there are 6 people who "MADE" the bracket I don't think it takes 6 people to put players name into the computer and randomize it so i'm pretty sure they check points and stuff as well as history and then design the "appropriate bracket". This is especially true for qualifiers.
And pretty sure they also avoid mirrors and pitting foreigners and "big names" in the ro64.
Good luck to all the foreigners and all the Protosses ( yea i know this is contradictory especially since all the no name protosses are being "fed" into the foreigners)
I'm actually happy the brackets aren't randomized despite there not being any proper seeding system. It sucks when the biggest names are all out in the first round and mirrors are generally lamer. Plus, more foreigners can make it deeper in now since they aren't knocking eachother out immediately.
On November 18 2010 21:17 DaCruise wrote: Kick-ass maps for Jinro. No way he can loose.
Haypro can count himself lucky as well with Blistering, Scrap Station and Xel Naga vs a T...
Ret's maps are slightly harder with Temple, Jungle Basin and Metal vs a P.
Final edit: and Idra definetely needs Game 1, with Shakuras, Steppes and Jungle Basin vs a P.
Wow, I hope IdrA figures out some tactics vs P on the last two maps, as they are both heavily P favored imo. :O Let's hope all foreigners get through ro64 ^___^ HWATIIING!!
looks like all foreigners didn't get a big name for their RO64, so we can hope to see some foreigners in the RO32. I hope Ret and Idra can make it despite pretty hard maps for Zerg
On November 18 2010 11:31 tangwhat wrote: Lol Kyrix vs JSL, nice teamkill in ro64.
Kyrix had to teamkill in the prelims, too.
On November 18 2010 22:19 Garnet wrote: This looks terribly rigged. But it's all for the better!.
It's not rigged... just... handpicked. Nobody would randomize this sort of event... Imagine a prelim group with Boxer, Nestea, Fruitdealer and 3 foreigners... of course they think about the brackets.
Gogogo Ret ZvP btw. ^^ Not sure about Lost Temple as first map though. I'd put the balanced maps first if I was GOM. :/ By the way RET, you're playing on my birthday, so if you would be so kind as to win?
Starcraft2.nl> You're on top and play Wednesday against the Protoss player Cyrano. Wat weet je van hem? What do you know him? Ret: Ik weet helemaal niks van hem, ook niet tegen wie hij heeft gewonnen in de finale, weet alleen dat ie protoss speelt. Ret: I know nothing of him, even against whom he won the finals, just know that he plays Protoss. We spelen op Lost Temple, Jungle Basin & Metalopis, ik ben niet zo heel tevreden over deze maps maar t is ook niet t einde van de wereld, hopelijk is zijn ladder rating in overeenstemming met zijn skill en in dat geval verwacht ik niet al te veel problemen. We play on Lost Temple, Jungle Basin & Metalopis, I am not very happy with this folder, but it's not until the end of the world, hopefully his ladder rating in accordance with his skill and in that case I do not expect too many problems.
Oh no, Sen vs Sentry...I mean Protoss - still, all foreigners with chances imo. GOMTV did a terrific job with the brackets, they avoided mirrors almost completely and still no good players play against each other early, it seems.
Since google translate blows, I did a quick translation of the interview with Ret.. + Show Spoiler +
Starcraft2.nl > How did the qualifiers go for you? Ret: It was pretty easy actually, at least easier than I expected. The Terran I faced in the finals did a decent timing push and I think if we had played on smaller maps, I could've run into problems, but luckily we played on Xel Naga and crossposition on Metalopolis, so I had enough time to prepare for the attack. Afterwards, it was pretty easy to outmacro him. I didn't know any of the players in my group.
Starcraft2.nl: Well, you qualified and you're going to ply the Protoss player Cyrano. What do you know about him? Ret: Nothing at all, I don't even know who he beat in the finals, all I know is that he plays P. The maps are Lost Temple, Jungle Basin & Metalopis, I'm not really happy about that but it's not the end of the world, I hope his ladder rating reflects his skill level because if so, I'm not really worried about that match.
Starcraft2.nl: How's your ZvP currently? In a previous interview you said that ZvZ was your weakest matchup. Is this your best matchup? Ret: My ZvP is strong enough for me to comfortably enter midgame with a decent amount of drones. I do have trouble scouting though, stalkers kill overlords so quickly that it's hard to gather some intel on what the P is doing and sometimes that leads to you making too many drones. When that happens, even lesser Protoss can be pretty dangerous. If I can enter midgame with a good amount of drones, there's no Protoss I can't beat. I do think ZvT is my best matchup though, since those games depend less on how the early game went. I'll probably play a bit more safe against Cyrano, I hope he isn't good enough to use that to his advantage and go for a lategame plan instead.
Starcraft2.nl: Which P players are you going to practice with? Ret: HuK, mainly, and some other Ps on the oGs team, and of course I'm going to ladder, since there's not much time between the Ro64 and the Ro32 so I need to keep my other matchups up to par.
Starcraft2.nl: Is the bracket out yet? Seems only the matches are known right now. [way to answer your own question, fool] Ret: Yea, I'm waiting for the bracket as well, I want to know what my odds are for Ro16 and Ro8. Ro8 would be fantastic because getting S-class status is extremely important. S-class means you're with the big boys anyway and it's gonna be hard to get degraded to A-class, unless you really don't belong there of course.
Starcraft2.nl: Your goal is to win the GSL, who would you like to meet in the finals? Ret: One of my teammates from Liquid, of course, that would be the best result. IdrA maybe, or any other foreigner or oGs member.
Starcraft2.nl: What do you think about the difference between Korean and non-Korean players? Do you think it'll change in, say, a year? Ret: I think there's more good players than in NA/EU, and I think the 10-20 best players are better than what NA/EU have to offer. Below that level, there isn't much of a difference between KR and NA/EU. Honestly, I think that difference will only become more pronounced in the future, unless more non-Koreans go to Korea to train, or maybe get team houses where they train 24/7 and I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon.
Starcraft2.nl: Thanks for the interview, anything you'd like to tell the Dutch SC2 community? Ret: Thanks to everyone who supports me and wants me to succeed, I'd like to keep playing with the Dutch players, but it's a lagfest at the moment. I will, however do my best to make people acknowledge Dutch SC2 players.
Pachi found the brackets and PMed them to me, they've been edited in. They are slightly different from the order the first round matches will be played in.
if a mod could change the thread title to "[GSL] S3 Brackets + ro64 Matchups" that would be awesome, thanks <3
Those brackets are insane for some LOL. - Idra vs MVP OMG this is going to be a hectic macro game with some battles! I expect a lot from this match. - Sen vs NesTea lololol. - Jinro vs Moon aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah a good one for Jinro tbh he has a good chance of getting to ro16 then !!! - JulyZerg vs Zenio !!! Awesome match tbh :x
Bad for Idra, Haypro and Sen, their most likely opponents in the ro32 are MVP, Rainbow and Nestea respectively :/. Idra has a good shot though.
Jinro and Ret have a better chance to make it into the ro8, Jinro has to overcome most likely Boxer and Ret has to overcome probably HongUn/Kyrix, not as bad as the three mentioned above.
soo many zerg... but only one zvz... and only 1 tvt?.. I wonder if they try to avoid mirror match ups. statistically its very unlikely with 32 matchs and only 2 mirrors.
Its nice to see that the foreigners didn't get high profile opponents in the first round and won't be playing other foreigners until Ro8 if they make it so far.
On November 19 2010 00:42 Darksteel wrote: Its nice to see that the foreigners didn't get high profile opponents in the first round and won't be playing other foreigners until Ro8 if they make it so far.
They all possibly have very tough opponents in the ro32 though
Sen vs NesTea Ret vs anypro/thebest Haypro vs HopeTorture Jinro vs Moon Idra vs mvp
I think they did a really good job with the brackets! Ro64 should be fun to watch for all the new players, and Ro32 on looks like everyone will be very strong and we'll have entertaining games.
On November 19 2010 00:42 Darksteel wrote: Its nice to see that the foreigners didn't get high profile opponents in the first round and won't be playing other foreigners until Ro8 if they make it so far.
They all possibly have very tough opponents in the ro32 though
Sen vs NesTea Ret vs anypro/thebest Haypro vs HopeTorture Jinro vs Moon Idra vs mvp
inro vs moon seen a game on replay site, moon rage quit from the game against jinro lol
people really need to read what other people have posted before they put their 2cents in. These brakets dont mean anything in regards to the next round.
On November 19 2010 01:31 Polygamy wrote: people really need to read what other people have posted before they put their 2cents in. These brakets dont mean anything in regards to the next round.
The OP is updated with actual brackets, which are what people are currently talking about.
On November 19 2010 00:42 Darksteel wrote: Its nice to see that the foreigners didn't get high profile opponents in the first round and won't be playing other foreigners until Ro8 if they make it so far.
They all possibly have very tough opponents in the ro32 though
Sen vs NesTea Ret vs anypro/thebest Haypro vs HopeTorture Jinro vs Moon Idra vs mvp
wow, those are some really tough opponents if they get to the RO32. i'd give Ret and Jinro a good chance to advance, but oh boy, sen vs the current champion, Haypro against the highest ranked terran in the gsl rankings and Idra vs the terran machine MVP. that is really tough
foreigners really have slim chances of making to ro8 imo
Sen vs Nestea Ro32 gg mirror specialist, Maka Ro16 (Vines doenst look weak though) HayprO vs ITR Ro32, FD Ro16 poor guy gg Ret vs HongUn/JSL/Kyrix Ro16 Jinro vs Moon Ro32, BoxeR Ro16 (Moon,BoxeR wont slip in TV matches) IdrA vs MVP Ro32
I think he will make it in the ro16 though after beating Cyrano and thebestfOu in ro32. Then it gets scary as I think Kyrix (beating JSL) will meet HongUn in ro32 and both are really tough.. I think he would rather prefer to play a protoss though..
On November 19 2010 01:57 Arceus wrote: foreigners really have slim chances of making to ro8 imo
Sen vs Nestea Ro32 gg mirror specialist, Maka Ro16 (Vines doenst look weak though) HayprO vs ITR Ro32, FD Ro16 poor guy gg Ret vs HongUn/JSL/Kyrix Ro16 Jinro vs Moon Ro32, BoxeR Ro16 (Moon,BoxeR wont slip in TV matches) IdrA vs MVP Ro32
I'm quite sure they would be happy with RO 16 on their GSL debut... Beside Idra, but when we ignore all "I'm world best player can easily come to finals -oh snap i got owned" talk, i'm sure he would be happy with RO 16 back to back too.
On November 19 2010 01:57 Arceus wrote: foreigners really have slim chances of making to ro8 imo
Sen vs Nestea Ro32 gg mirror specialist, Maka Ro16 (Vines doenst look weak though) HayprO vs ITR Ro32, FD Ro16 poor guy gg Ret vs HongUn/JSL/Kyrix Ro16 Jinro vs Moon Ro32, BoxeR Ro16 (Moon,BoxeR wont slip in TV matches) IdrA vs MVP Ro32
I'm quite sure they would be happy with RO 16 on their GSL debut... Beside Idra, but when we ignore all "I'm world best player can easily come to finals -oh snap i got owned" talk, i'm sure he would be happy with RO 16 back to back too.
Agreed...I mean, doesn't getting top 32 guarantee that they will be at least A-class? I would think that would be more than good enough for them. I dunno...maybe just qualifying is going to end up being good enough for A-class (given all the duplicates across the 3 tournaments). If that's the case, I'm sure they are going to be quite desperate for top 8.
hmm... Sen not so lucky with Nestea in Ro32. ret seems to have an easy road Idra can show us in Ro32, how imba MVP is :D Jinro supermazing. Possible game vs.Moon in Ro32 AND the winner might play Boxer!!!! and Haypro will not survive the Ro32 vs. HopeTorture anyway, and the winner gets a date with Fruitdealer...
Well all the brackets are pretty much just as hard as each other. There's no "easy" paths this time round. If IdrA, Ret, Jinro wanna make it far they're all gonna have to beat great players. It's certainly possible.
On November 19 2010 02:42 Klive5ive wrote: Well all the brackets are pretty much just as hard as each other. There's no "easy" paths this time round. If IdrA, Ret, Jinro wanna make it far they're all gonna have to beat great players. It's certainly possible.
Agreed. After the Ro64, almost all of the players left will be good this season. I think the foreigners will have a hard time making it past the Ro32, but hopefully they will surprise us and show that they can play on the same level as the koreans. I think out of everyone though, Haypro got the worst bracket. Potentially playing HopeTorture in the Ro32 and then FruitDealer in the Ro16. Ouch!
nothing fancy but gets the job done. Also, does anyone know when they merge the brackets? Im just wondering how you know who plays who after the brackets are full
nothing fancy but gets the job done. Also, does anyone know when they merge the brackets? Im just wondering how you know who plays who after the brackets are full
IIRC, A & B play in one of the semifinals, and C & D play in the other semifinals.
On November 18 2010 15:35 Tanstaafl wrote: As with last season, it looks like days 2 to 4 of the Ro64 will be split into afternoons and evenings (Korean time), with the non-Korean players in the afternoon sessions (apart from Sen, who is on day 1) and the big-ticket Korean players in the evening (FruitDealer, July, SlayerSBoxeR).
It makes sense, of course, but it's kind of unfortunate, because now I feel compelled to watch at least one match in every block. There goes my sleep for a week.
Just switch to VOD viewing like I have for the last few GSL's. The GOM site is really good about being spoiler friendly.
Usually yes, but when i woke up a few hours after final ended and went to check the VOD page, the facebook/twitter feed thing said something like "series tied 3-3 and going to a final match!" Im sure it was only because the final had just ended that it was still up, but still spoiled it for me
Also what maps did Idra downvote to get steppes and basin??? My guess would be Blistering Sands and Delta Quadrant although i would think you would rather play either of those than Steppes or Jungle Basin... especially Delta, i can see Blistering being a personal preference i guess.
edit: I guess XNC would make sense as well knowing Idra's play style.
On November 19 2010 01:57 Arceus wrote: foreigners really have slim chances of making to ro8 imo
Sen vs Nestea Ro32 gg mirror specialist, Maka Ro16 (Vines doenst look weak though) HayprO vs ITR Ro32, FD Ro16 poor guy gg Ret vs HongUn/JSL/Kyrix Ro16 Jinro vs Moon Ro32, BoxeR Ro16 (Moon,BoxeR wont slip in TV matches) IdrA vs MVP Ro32
I'm quite sure they would be happy with RO 16 on their GSL debut... Beside Idra, but when we ignore all "I'm world best player can easily come to finals -oh snap i got owned" talk, i'm sure he would be happy with RO 16 back to back too.
I actually don't think Idra has that hard a road, unless Check is good at ZvZ. If he manages to get past MVP, the difficult opponents on the other side of the bracket are Boxer and Jinro. Boxer's TvZ is pretty bad but since his TvT is really good, he might knock out Jinro only to lose to Idra.
Jinro has a decent road that is difficult only because Boxer is good at TvT but Boxer's shaky TvZ might cause him to lose early on. I don't think Moon is that good at SC2 yet.
Haypro and Sen just have crazy difficult brackets. Ret probably has the easiest road as it doesn't look like it gets hard until the Ro16.
None of the top Koreans look like they have an easy bracket, either. Foxer's, MC's and Nestea's look the easiest. Fruitdealer and Hopetorture being on the same side of the bracket is meh.
And Boxer has way too many zergs in his bracket. I hope he's practiced that match-up a lot.
I'm cheering for random guy as well. Would be awesome if he got far.
On November 19 2010 03:35 andrewlt wrote: I actually don't think Idra has that hard a road, unless Check is good at ZvZ. If he manages to get past MVP, the difficult opponents on the other side of the bracket are Boxer and Jinro. Boxer's TvZ is pretty bad but since his TvT is really good, he might knock out Jinro only to lose to Idra.
Jinro has a decent road that is difficult only because Boxer is good at TvT but Boxer's shaky TvZ might cause him to lose early on. I don't think Moon is that good at SC2 yet.
Haypro and Sen just have crazy difficult brackets. Ret probably has the easiest road as it doesn't look like it gets hard until the Ro16.
None of the top Koreans look like they have an easy bracket, either. Foxer's, MC's and Nestea's look the easiest. Fruitdealer and Hopetorture being on the same side of the bracket is meh.
And Boxer has way too many zergs in his bracket. I hope he's practiced that match-up a lot.
I'm cheering for random guy as well. Would be awesome if he got far.
I think Idra has a very hard road, equal to Haypro, MVP is the current #1, that has to account for something at least.
On November 19 2010 03:35 andrewlt wrote: I actually don't think Idra has that hard a road, unless Check is good at ZvZ. If he manages to get past MVP, the difficult opponents on the other side of the bracket are Boxer and Jinro. Boxer's TvZ is pretty bad but since his TvT is really good, he might knock out Jinro only to lose to Idra.
Jinro has a decent road that is difficult only because Boxer is good at TvT but Boxer's shaky TvZ might cause him to lose early on. I don't think Moon is that good at SC2 yet.
Haypro and Sen just have crazy difficult brackets. Ret probably has the easiest road as it doesn't look like it gets hard until the Ro16.
None of the top Koreans look like they have an easy bracket, either. Foxer's, MC's and Nestea's look the easiest. Fruitdealer and Hopetorture being on the same side of the bracket is meh.
And Boxer has way too many zergs in his bracket. I hope he's practiced that match-up a lot.
I'm cheering for random guy as well. Would be awesome if he got far.
I think Idra has a very hard road, equal to Haypro, MVP is the current #1, that has to account for something at least.
MVP is very good, but the ladder rank really doesn't mean anything.
Yay~ looks like Moon will easily make it to RO32. If I remember correctly ButterflyEffect is the guy who lost his series to FruitDealer in like 10 minutes.
Really hard to tell or predict many brackets except maybe that I think hopetorture will play out of his bracket, Genius I think will get into round of 8... However I'm also fully expecting some new player to come and kill my liquibet rank. The wildwest of Liquibet!
BTW wondering: anyway of knowing the exact statistic of who predicted fruitdealer to be knocked out by BoxerPrime?
Haha yet another name that pretty much is providing free advertisement for a company xD
Interesting, there are a lot of new players. Hopefully there will be some fresh plays
Btw, go the Random player!!! xD
Edit: Btw did the girl player Artosis filmed from the qualifiers make it into the Ro64? I think that would be pretty huge xD For the fans, eSports, and GomTV haha
I see a Ro32 exit for haypro and idra, a ro16 exit for jinro and ret making it to the ro8, potentially even further
Yes to Haypro and idra, but Jinro will probably play SlayeSBoXeR in Ro32 and i doubt he'll win so i stop him there and Ret has it hard after 64: anypro(prime still?) and if he makes it past that Kyrix will most likely beat him so id say 32. So unfortunate as it may be I predict TL will be entirely out after 32.
I see a Ro32 exit for haypro and idra, a ro16 exit for jinro and ret making it to the ro8, potentially even further
Yes to Haypro and idra, but Jinro will probably play SlayeSBoXeR in Ro32 and i doubt he'll win so i stop him there and Ret has it hard after 64: anypro(prime still?) and if he makes it past that Kyrix will most likely beat him so id say 32. So unfortunate as it may be I predict TL will be entirely out after 32.
SlayerSBoxeR has good TvT so I would agree, however I don't think any foreigner will make it farther then the Ro16 except for IdrA or Ret, depending on who they play ofcourse.
I think Sen genuinely has the toughest bracket lol, but I do think he can beat zergbong, jooktojung maka and thewind are all there waiting too though so it'll be tough
I think Haypro has the easiest group so hopefully he can do well
ret has a very tough group but I genuinely believe he is the monster that artosis predicted back in January or whenever it was. He can, despite a tough group, do some ridiculous damage
Idra wont have his chance at Zenio til like, semifinals, and doubt that ZEnio could make it out of there
I'm actually most excited about 1 thing. The way things look, I think the semis are going to amazing. If it works out for the right players, it could be Foxer vs. Boxer, which would be awesome. and then it would be FruitDealer vs. Nestea, which would be season 1 champ vs. season 2 champ. But theres probably going to be a lot of upsets to ruin that. but it would be cool...
I think Haypro has the easiest group so hopefully he can do well
If Haypro wins 64, hell be up against FruitDealer, who. i think has him completely outclassed
I see a Ro32 exit for haypro and idra, a ro16 exit for jinro and ret making it to the ro8, potentially even further
Yes to Haypro and idra, but Jinro will probably play SlayeSBoXeR in Ro32 and i doubt he'll win so i stop him there and Ret has it hard after 64: anypro(prime still?) and if he makes it past that Kyrix will most likely beat him so id say 32. So unfortunate as it may be I predict TL will be entirely out after 32.
Jinro wouldn't play Boxer in Ro32. He'd play against the winner of Liberty (Moon from WC3) vs Butterfly Effect. Jinro and Boxer could meet up in the Ro16 if they both win out though.
I don't want to wade through 19 pages of text, but the dates are wrong (if it hasn't been corrected already). The first day (November 22nd) consists of 5 games only at 7PM KST (Group A) and subsequent groups are pushed back in terms with the times you've posted. (Group B Nov. 23rd 1 PM KST...etc etc.)
On November 19 2010 07:19 Lovedrop wrote: I don't want to wade through 19 pages of text, but the dates are wrong (if it hasn't been corrected already). The first day (November 22nd) consists of 5 games only at 7PM KST (Group A) and subsequent groups are pushed back in terms with the times you've posted. (Group B Nov. 23rd 1 PM KST...etc etc.)
Your times seem to match up with mine, not sure what the problem is here.
Protoss actually might have a decent chance to get both Genius and oGsMC to round 8. It seems like they gave them quite easy brackets. I still have no idea how good this MC guy really is tho.
Hopetorture isn't going to have a chance to eliminate any Protosses this time either as he is prolly going to lose to Fruitdealer or some other Zerg. Thank god for that -.-.
On November 19 2010 07:43 Kokujin wrote: btw something is wrong with the brackets, says slayersboxer's first opponent nexon is T but the brackets below (group D) show nexon is Z
The bracket picture is incorrect, Nexon is definitely Terran (confirmed with b.net profile, replays, and previous news)
On November 19 2010 07:19 Lovedrop wrote: I don't want to wade through 19 pages of text, but the dates are wrong (if it hasn't been corrected already). The first day (November 22nd) consists of 5 games only at 7PM KST (Group A) and subsequent groups are pushed back in terms with the times you've posted. (Group B Nov. 23rd 1 PM KST...etc etc.)
Your times seem to match up with mine, not sure what the problem is here.
Ah, you have it listed in PST, my apologies. Already thinking one step ahead for those terrible with times ^^;
On November 19 2010 07:19 Lovedrop wrote: I don't want to wade through 19 pages of text, but the dates are wrong (if it hasn't been corrected already). The first day (November 22nd) consists of 5 games only at 7PM KST (Group A) and subsequent groups are pushed back in terms with the times you've posted. (Group B Nov. 23rd 1 PM KST...etc etc.)
Your times seem to match up with mine, not sure what the problem is here.
Ah, you have it listed in PST, my apologies. Already thinking one step ahead for those terrible with times ^^;
Yeah, I used the relatively unknown [date] tags which automatically convert dates and times into the correct one for the timezone you've set in your profile. very handy feature, thanks r1ch
On November 19 2010 07:32 The.Imperator wrote: Protoss actually might have a decent chance to get both Genius and oGsMC to round 8. It seems like they gave them quite easy brackets. I still have no idea how good this MC guy really is tho.
Hopetorture isn't going to have a chance to eliminate any Protosses this time either as he is prolly going to lose to Fruitdealer or some other Zerg. Thank god for that -.-.
I've liked what i've seen of MingChul i'd say top 3 toss in world :3 hope to see him in Ro8+
Not looking too great for the foreigners imo. Idra probably has to face MVP in the ro32 and Haypro has to play Hopetorture, if they both advance of course. Down the line Jinro would have to play Boxer in the ro16. Ret's side of the bracket looks the nicest so far.
On November 19 2010 07:32 The.Imperator wrote: Protoss actually might have a decent chance to get both Genius and oGsMC to round 8. It seems like they gave them quite easy brackets. I still have no idea how good this MC guy really is tho.
Hopetorture isn't going to have a chance to eliminate any Protosses this time either as he is prolly going to lose to Fruitdealer or some other Zerg. Thank god for that -.-.
I've liked what i've seen of MingChul i'd say top 3 toss in world :3 hope to see him in Ro8+
Genius does indeed have an easy bracket and could easily be the only protoss in quarterfinals again. MC hasnt proven that he can handle the nerves in the GSL yet. I would have to see MC beat the likes of Hyperdub and July/Zenio to believe it.
On November 19 2010 05:27 Airship wrote: Ret's route to Code S:
Cyrano (p) AnyproPrime (p) Kyrix (z) Feeling good about this for Ret.
As much as I root for Ret, I don't think Kyrix can be described as something related to a good feeling when talking about Ret's chances of advancing over him.
Haypro can probally make it to RO32. He has to sacrifise a lamb or something to get the luck required to any further in that lovely bracket he is in.
Jinro I cant really tell with only TvT and TvZ untill RO8. I'm not really sure what is his best match ups are but terrans usualy do well against Protoss. He is on a roll though, winning MLG Dallas and qualifying to the GSL for the first time his confidence alone is going to smelt faces. He can be knocked out instantly or go very far. It's hard to tell.
IdrA and Ret could have far worse brackets with no ZvZ untill RO16 or later for both of them. Both are really fucking scary macro zergs that likes to take games to the lategame and overrun their opponents. If any of them are knocked out before RO16 its to cheese, rushes or early timing attacks withing the first 10-12 minutes of a game. While IdrA has far more experience then Ret in dealing with these Ret may have the advantage of being unknown to the Koreans making it hard to find a good snipebuild to take him out. I'd say both of them have very very good chances to get to RO16 and possibly further.
On November 19 2010 05:27 Airship wrote: Ret's route to Code S:
Cyrano (p) AnyproPrime (p) Kyrix (z) Feeling good about this for Ret.
As much as I root for Ret, I don't think Kyrix can be described as something related to a good feeling when talking about Ret's chances of advancing over him.
Kyrix gets a meh from me, I think Ret can take it.
My prediction is 2 foreigners in Ro16 (idra + jinro imo), one in Ro8 and then I don't know. If any foreigner can win it's probably Idra.
On November 19 2010 08:23 Crt wrote: MVP >>> Idra HopeTorture >>> Haypro
SlayersBoxer isn't great. He's average, RO32 material. Jinro might be able to take him.
Ret, ehhh, no comment.
Aaah that must be why he got to Ro4 last season...
placement were intentionally rigged so he got an easy group.
AAAH I see the conspiracy now, they put him up against that crappy noob NaDa in addition to putting all the worst players in korea in his quarter. I feel so enlightened now.
The amount of protoss that are going to get knocked out in the next three rounds is embarassing. I hope at least one of these guys whips out something amazing and goes huge
Sen is in a lot of trouble. Even if he wins round one then he has to play Nestea in round two, and we all know how good Nestea's ZvZ is =/
Haypro potentially faces ITR in round two as well, Jinro vs Moon and Idra vs MVP, so it's gonna be hard for foreigners to make it far. Ret might be our best chance to make the ro16.
Also, all of the brackets seem relatively even in terms of good players, there doesn't seem to be one which is noticeably easier or harder.
On November 19 2010 08:23 Crt wrote: MVP >>> Idra HopeTorture >>> Haypro
SlayersBoxer isn't great. He's average, RO32 material. Jinro might be able to take him.
Ret, ehhh, no comment.
Aaah that must be why he got to Ro4 last season...
placement were intentionally rigged so he got an easy group.
AAAH I see the conspiracy now, they put him up against that crappy noob NaDa in addition to putting all the worst players in korea in his quarter. I feel so enlightened now.
Agreed, he had Loner and Nada who are both really strong. Pretty sure Boxer just needs work on his vZ.
Goddammit, I'm mildly sad. If July and Zenio advance, I don't give July much hope in beating probably the best ZvZer alive at the moment in Zenio. Please make me wrong, July.
Looking at these games, the fact that in each day there is atleast a couple of amazing players, really shows the difference between GSL 1 and GSL 3, so pumped, ret to win it all!
I'm really interested to see what happens with the IdrA and DreamHack situation. Will they just pull his game into an early day or swap with another pair?
What happened to the map downvotes? There are so many Zergs on Steppes of War. Did zergs (especially Idra!) really not down-vote Steppes?
Speaking of maps, how do the maps look for our foreigner boys? I don't know enough about most of their individual playstyles to judge. It looks like Haypro was blessed by the map gods. Ret has to handle Jungle Basin. Jinro seems to be okay, as in Sen.
But who did Idra piss off? Shakuras is a great map for him, but Steppes and Slightly-Better-Steppes? Ugh.
I have to remember that OdinMVP is the one who eliminated HuK. I should write it on my arm so I don't forget to hate him.
On November 19 2010 11:18 Chiponyasu wrote: What happened to the map downvotes? There are so many Zergs on Steppes of War. Did zergs (especially Idra!) really not down-vote Steppes?
Speaking of maps, how do the maps look for our foreigner boys? I don't know enough about most of their individual playstyles to judge. It looks like Haypro was blessed by the map gods. Ret has to handle Jungle Basin. Jinro seems to be okay, as in Sen.
But who did Idra piss off? Shakuras is a great map for him, but Steppes and Slightly-Better-Steppes? Ugh.
I have to remember that OdinMVP is the one who eliminated HuK. I should write it on my arm so I don't forget to hate him.
If they only got 1 map to down-vote, it may very well have been Delta Quadrant(For Idra anyway)
Ouch. If Idra wins Ro64 he's most likely against MVP. We already know MvP is sick from his showing in GSL2 but NesTea said in an interview that 'I don't QQ about Zerg. I QQ about MvP'. So if NesTea fears MvP and from what we've seen and know from MvP. Idra has hard times ahead. Not to mention if he somehow wins that he's most likely got a ZvZ vs CheckPrime. D:
Feeling good about this. Ro64 matches and maps are definitely favorable. Rets maps are not the greatest but the matchup and opponent are a good draw for him. Ro32 matches for Ret and Jinro are still decent and Haypro has a shot at taking out a really big name there at a matchup he is comfortable with.
After that things become tricky but onto Ro16 it looks fun!
TBH I think all of the foreigners have a decent shot - skill wise. The added pressure from being on stage *may* affect their play, but hopefully not too much! Hopefully good play from the foreign participants will lead to increased awareness and more money into e-sports internationally!
On November 19 2010 13:15 Archduke wrote: I think it's funny that when I click on HayprO, it says "Unknown Player!"
looks like there was a little bit of a back-end change in TLPD. I've fixed sen, haypro, and jinro's links. if anyone finds any other errors, please let me know.
now that you mention it lot of zerg has maps that are against Zerg LOL Are they really planning to eliminate as much zerg as early as possible I feel sorry for IDRA 2 new maps and STOW
On November 19 2010 10:09 Kibibit wrote: Goddammit, I'm mildly sad. If July and Zenio advance, I don't give July much hope in beating probably the best ZvZer alive at the moment in Zenio. Please make me wrong, July.
I'm not sure how you can consider oGsZenio to be playing the best zvz in the world right now. While his match against IdrA was entertaining for both its creativity and uniqueness, it was a specially prepared sniping build for IdrA prepared by Spunky (as mentioned by Tasteless during game one of their Ro16 match). It might have thrown off IdrA as the one thing he relies upon heaviest to win (his macro) was severely thrown off in timing as using spawn larva is nullified by contaminate on a hatch.
If anyone single person deserves to be considered in best ZvZ in Korea or the world, that consideration goes to IMNestea for making Zenio seem lost, overwhelmed, out thought and outmatched during their Ro8 match. Zenio clearly was a grade below IMNestea's skill and decision making throughout both sets of their games. In fact, Zenio just looked downright bad at ZvZ during their matches. Sure, IMNestea won the whole tournament and didn't drop a set till the finals, but if his play is indicative of the potential of the match-up, Zenio's attempts/efforts to zvz look paltry in comparison to the next level of play IMNestea brought every single game.
On November 19 2010 10:09 Kibibit wrote: Goddammit, I'm mildly sad. If July and Zenio advance, I don't give July much hope in beating probably the best ZvZer alive at the moment in Zenio. Please make me wrong, July.
Best ZvZer alive? He got beaten by NesTea no contest.
I guess from the foreigner only Haypro and Jinro received good maps for their race. The other observations is that Tosses received good maps for the mathcups. Good luck to all. Go TL Guys.
not to say any player is easy or anything cause im sure they are all amazing sc2 players, but does it seem that slayers boxer bracket is easier by far than anyone else?
On November 19 2010 16:51 meeple wrote: Damn... ret has Foxer in his group.... that is going to be epically difficult to advance but good luck to him anyways...
@above... yeah I think the Boxer bracket is the easiest too... or at least no big names... we don't know how people played in the qualifiers...
This thread apparently shows all the math and proves that Idra has already secured S class. Didn't double-check it myself, but I'll trust their word :-)
I'm actually getting really excited to see all the TL guys and other foreigners play. I don't get on the whole foreigner-fanboy wagon a lot, but just having so many non-Koreans being there and qualifying is pretty amazing, and good for the scene overall. Will definitely be pulling for them next week.
First: If Sen wins, He will have to play Nestea in the 2nd round, other good people include JooktoJung . Makaprime, NexGenius.
If Haypro wins he has to play Hopetorture AND THEN fruitdealer!! Talk about tough group. (Jos is in this group as well aka RET)... Oh yeah... Foxer and KyrixZenith is in this group as well.
Jinro is in Idra's group along with MVP, SlayersBoxer and CheckPrime... Looks like it will be really tough, but I am hoping for a foreigner AT LEAST ro4 :D
On November 18 2010 11:58 LittleeD wrote: Ah, just noticed. Moon is up against TheButterFly in the first round ;_; Thats gonna be one really hard match for him I believe. I cheer for you all the way Jang Jae Ho! Fighting ~
I watched moon practice at WEM after getting knocked to the lower bracket. He's a very very very determined player. I think he will make it to the ro32 no problems.
On November 19 2010 22:36 Squeegy wrote: I thought Boxer is against a zerg, which is his worst matchup. In fact, he could face only zergs in his group.
That is Foxer who has all the zergs to fight. SlayerSBoxeR has a terran opponent, and the possibility of 2 more terran opponents after this.
On November 19 2010 22:36 Squeegy wrote: I thought Boxer is against a zerg, which is his worst matchup. In fact, he could face only zergs in his group.
That is Foxer who has all the zergs to fight. SlayerSBoxeR has a terran opponent, and the possibility of 2 more terran opponents after this.
Maybe IdrA will take him out in the quarter finals :O
On November 19 2010 21:49 OmegaSyrus wrote: Anyone else notice how GSL seems to always match SlayersBoxer in a TvT... it being his best matchup.
Giving BoxeR [the real one] preferable brackets etc [this seems to be the general consensus] only makes good business sense for GOM, you can't really blame them for that.
It's like blaming GOM for giving foreigners easier brackets in the prelims. For all three season prelims, foreigners have gotten multiple bys and at most one decent Korean in order to advance. If they want to promote their league as "Global" it only makes sense for them to get as many foreigners into the ro64 as they can, especially since there aren't many to begin with.
On November 19 2010 21:49 OmegaSyrus wrote: Anyone else notice how GSL seems to always match SlayersBoxer in a TvT... it being his best matchup.
Giving BoxeR [the real one] preferable brackets etc [this seems to be the general consensus] only makes good business sense for GOM, you can't really blame them for that.
It's like blaming GOM for giving foreigners easier brackets in the prelims. For all three season prelims, foreigners have gotten multiple bys and at most one decent Korean in order to advance. If they want to promote their league as "Global" it only makes sense for them to get as many foreigners into the ro64 as they can, especially since there aren't many to begin with.
Giving Boxer a few terrans helps him a little bit, but he still has some nasty good opponents on his way through the brackets.
In PvZ, that first 4gate push (that every protoss does..) is always super tense, becuase it is basically what decides the fight, and a zerg usually just barely holds.
On November 19 2010 19:32 dRaW wrote: Damn!! This will be epic
First: If Sen wins, He will have to play Nestea in the 2nd round, other good people include JooktoJung . Makaprime, NexGenius.
If Haypro wins he has to play Hopetorture AND THEN fruitdealer!! Talk about tough group. (Jos is in this group as well aka RET)... Oh yeah... Foxer and KyrixZenith is in this group as well.
Jinro is in Idra's group along with MVP, SlayersBoxer and CheckPrime... Looks like it will be really tough, but I am hoping for a foreigner AT LEAST ro4 :D
This of course also depends on Nestea, Hopetorture etc actually winning their matches. I don't understand why the foreigners are always uncertain and the famous koreans are 100% guaranteed locks to proceed.
On November 19 2010 19:32 dRaW wrote: Damn!! This will be epic
First: If Sen wins, He will have to play Nestea in the 2nd round, other good people include JooktoJung . Makaprime, NexGenius.
If Haypro wins he has to play Hopetorture AND THEN fruitdealer!! Talk about tough group. (Jos is in this group as well aka RET)... Oh yeah... Foxer and KyrixZenith is in this group as well.
Jinro is in Idra's group along with MVP, SlayersBoxer and CheckPrime... Looks like it will be really tough, but I am hoping for a foreigner AT LEAST ro4 :D
This of course also depends on Nestea, Hopetorture etc actually winning their matches. I don't understand why the foreigners are always uncertain and the famous koreans are 100% guaranteed locks to proceed.
On November 19 2010 21:49 OmegaSyrus wrote: Anyone else notice how GSL seems to always match SlayersBoxer in a TvT... it being his best matchup.
they dont even try to deny that. Its only for the best if famous ppl are getting into the league. even july made it! + Show Spoiler +
oh poor july, kwanro stole his crown of favourite zerg in bw, and he cant do anything to claim a spot in my heart as a sc2 player. old guy should retire.
remember how he said that he could be anybody from gsl1 only to fail in gsl2?
I hope there will be less rigging/match-up manipulation (whatever you want to call it) when the 2011 season starts and there are seeds. I understand that it is necessary to some extent right now since a pure randomization of the brackets could result in some weird & hilarious scenarios.
Fortunately, with each progressive round, the random factor will become more tangible with upsets, etc.
So excited to see random playing guy, moon and July. Interesting to see the benefit going random could give you in best of X, when opponent can't really plan any strategies.
On November 18 2010 23:08 robertdinh wrote: I'm not a big fan of the concept of handpicking brackets in "esports".
Also hopefully they release the full brackets before ro64 transpires, because I would hate for them to handpick ro32 as well.
Hmmm... I kinda like handpicking. Allows you to rank players based on something other than arbitrary seed points or unbalanced rankings. I think they've done a really good job of designing an interesting tournament.
On November 19 2010 19:32 dRaW wrote: Damn!! This will be epic
First: If Sen wins, He will have to play Nestea in the 2nd round, other good people include JooktoJung . Makaprime, NexGenius.
If Haypro wins he has to play Hopetorture AND THEN fruitdealer!! Talk about tough group. (Jos is in this group as well aka RET)... Oh yeah... Foxer and KyrixZenith is in this group as well.
Jinro is in Idra's group along with MVP, SlayersBoxer and CheckPrime... Looks like it will be really tough, but I am hoping for a foreigner AT LEAST ro4 :D
This of course also depends on Nestea, Hopetorture etc actually winning their matches. I don't understand why the foreigners are always uncertain and the famous koreans are 100% guaranteed locks to proceed.
Same reason we always expect Huk to be top8 in MLG tournies. The starting brackets are "easy" and the invincible players should get through them "easily".
If the foreigners win 5 games between them all we've made a mark on Korea. It would mean we preformed better than average against the Korean Pros. If Ret wins, Hellz ya!
Looks like Jinro will have the easiest way to get code S. Ret and Idra can make ro8 with luck on their side. I feel sorry for HayprO and Sen they are in very hard sides of their groups.
IdrA's got some tough times ahead, steppes and jungle basin on his ro64 match(any info on what maps he excluded? weird that he didnt go for steppes at the very least) and then he may face mvp on ro32 although i think IdrA can definitely do it!
On November 20 2010 03:47 Deletrious wrote: So excited to see random playing guy, moon and July. Interesting to see the benefit going random could give you in best of X, when opponent can't really plan any strategies.
i'm also very interested how far GuMihofOu (the random player) will advance and how he will be doing in the tournament...
Aw, I only just noticed that all our Liquid foreigners (I count Idra as well ) are in only two of the brackets . I was really hoping they'd be spread out across all 4. Given how few foreigners there are, you'd think that whoever organises the brackets would give them a higher chance of advancing; because currently, even under the best of circumstances (and that's already quite unlikely), we can only have 2 foreigners in the semifinals.
Are the races messed up in these brackets? or are they messed up on GOMTV's schedule? Cyrano is Zerg on GOMTV (so ret playing ZvZ they say), and Choa playing Protoss on GOMTv, not Terran (So Gomtv says Idra in ZvP not ZvT)
which source is correct? I don't know anything about these two players..
On November 21 2010 04:34 jarek.exe wrote: July vs (P)cOreZenith: Shakuras Plateau, Delta Quadrant, Steppes of War
Is it confirmed 100% JulyZerg?
yes
On November 21 2010 03:38 teacash wrote: Are the races messed up in these brackets? or are they messed up on GOMTV's schedule? Cyrano is Zerg on GOMTV (so ret playing ZvZ they say), and Choa playing Protoss on GOMTv, not Terran (So Gomtv says Idra in ZvP not ZvT)
which source is correct? I don't know anything about these two players..
the gom english site is messed up, if you click the 3rd link at the bottom of the OP it has correct races on the korean gom site
On November 19 2010 11:18 Chiponyasu wrote: ...Speaking of maps, how do the maps look for our foreigner boys? I don't know enough about most of their individual playstyles to judge. It looks like Haypro was blessed by the map gods. Ret has to handle Jungle Basin. Jinro seems to be okay, as in Sen.
But who did Idra piss off? Shakuras is a great map for him, but Steppes and Slightly-Better-Steppes? Ugh.
Anyone else think the bracket team did a terrible job on these brackets?
Group A and D, pretty light brackets, nothing too crazy until the Ro8.
Group B, 3 ZeNEX members in the same quadrant??? wtf is this? Kyrix already had to teamkill his friend in the qualifiers, now you're going to lump him in with 2 more teammates in the same quad? Really lame.
Then group C, I don't even know what to say. This is the most unbalanced group I've ever seen in my life. Almost every player is amazing. Top left is pretty soft and then...oh wow, GuineaPig vs Junwi! Clide vs Leenock!! Then you look at the other half...3 strong oGs members! cOre vs JulyZerg!! Convenient how BoxeR is the only one with an "easy" road to Ro16, but man, really, seed your brackets better. Talented players like Clide, cOre, GuineaPig getting such strong zergs in round 1 is sick.
TLDR: We're going to get a lot more unknowns than we should into the Ro16 and beyond because of how stacked group C is.
On November 21 2010 07:22 Cel.erity wrote: Anyone else think the bracket team did a terrible job on these brackets?
Group A and D, pretty light brackets, nothing too crazy until the Ro8.
Group B, 3 ZeNEX members in the same quadrant??? wtf is this? Kyrix already had to teamkill his friend in the qualifiers, now you're going to lump him in with 2 more teammates in the same quad? Really lame.
Then group C, I don't even know what to say. This is the most unbalanced group I've ever seen in my life. Almost every player is amazing. Top left is pretty soft and then...oh wow, GuineaPig vs Junwi! Clide vs Leenock!! Then you look at the other half...3 strong oGs members! cOre vs JulyZerg!! Convenient how BoxeR is the only one with an "easy" road to Ro16, but man, really, seed your brackets better. Talented players like Clide, cOre, GuineaPig getting such strong zergs in round 1 is sick.
TLDR: We're going to get a lot more unknowns than we should into the Ro16 and beyond because of how stacked group C is.
To be honest, I think this is probably the most balanced bracket compared to previous GSL open seasons. Yea, obviously BoxeR is the most likely to get TvTs, but hey, all the foreigners got split up. To say that any of the brackets are 'light' is probably unfair, I think if the favoured players all perform through Ro64, almost every matchup in Ro32 is going to be hard now.
On November 21 2010 08:28 powerdawg96 wrote: Sen facing Nestea, Idra vs MVP, July vs Zenio on RO32... hmm. some good games on RO32 for sure, assuming they can pass RO64 <_<
jinro will face slayers boxer on RO16 .
Jinro might have to fight moon in the Ro32 as weel... he'll be hated by every Korean Wc3 and Starcraft fan if he manages to knock out both moon and Boxer
Ive added all the players and any aliases that I knew of for each one. If there are any mistakes or additional aliases that I did not list, pm me and Ill update it asap.
Ill be keeping it updated as it goes on, and Ill make new brackets once needed
(Z)NesTea vs (T)Jys [2 : 0] Nestea's got this, he's in great shape overall as a zerg and Jys isn't known enough to pose a viable threat to our current champ.
(P)oGsVines vs (Z)Sen [1:2] No idea how Vines plays but I see Sen taking this one through shear macro games. Vines may pull off a cheesy build here and take a game but I don't see him winning the series.
(T)LittleBoy vs (Z)JookToJung: [0 : 2] I'm inclined to give it to JTJ here because I have no idea how good LittleBoy is seeing as though i've never seen him play. Also TvZ makes it a lot easier to predict IMO (j/k).
(T)MakaPrime vs (Z)Sleep: [2 : 0] Maka's a damn good terran, overlooked by people like FoxeR, ITR, BoxeR, I think Maka ranks high up there. Sleep is relatively unknown but I don't see him taking this either way.. Maka hwaiting!
(Z)oGsTheWinD vs (Z)GoldenfOu [2:1] Never seen goldenfOu play, TheWind is a solid zerg, so he should be able to pull off the victory despite the randomness of ZvZ.
(T)Rache vs (P)BoogieBoy [2: 0] Giving this one to the T player, because BoogieBoy has to be one of the worst aliases i've seen, not quite as bad as 'hotmail' though.
(Z)DreamizEr vs (T)Rain [0 : 2] Don't know either player, ;_;
(T)Libero vs (P)Genius [0: 2] Cmon, not going to vote against arguably the world's best toss currently.
(T)RainBOw vs (Z)NewDawn [2: 0] RainBOw is too solid a terran player to lose to someone of neverdawn's caliber. Depending on who he faces I think RainbOw will get far in the tournament again, only to lose to someone in the quarters or semis >_>.
(T)BitByBit vs (Z)HayprO [1:2] Gotta give it to a foreigner, HayprO is a pretty underrated zerg, while he's facing a relatively unknown terran player, he should come out on top depending how hard he's practiced for this. I believe he's practiced a lot based on the fact he has qualified. Foreigners, hwaiting!
(Z)Tosyad vs (Z)FruitDealer [0 : 2] Former GSL champ vs someone who i've never seen before.. hmm.
(T)sCfOu vs (T)Bless [2:1] Both players are good, it's just a matter of who's TvT mechanics are better. I think Bless (assuming he's lyn) is more inexperienced in comparison to sCfOu who's put in a lot of time into the game. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge lyn fan but his priorities aren't SC2 at the moment, the fact he's qualified for GSL with WC3 on the side is remarkable. However sCfOu should take this one.
(P)anyproPrime vs (T)TheBestfOu [2 : 0] Ooh, this should be a good one, I think anypro is the better player here and should come out on top. I don't really know much about 'TheBest' but he is in fOu which is a very good team. So both players should play well depending on who's more in shape than the other. Anypro should win it though.
(Z)NEXNaya vs (P)HongUnPrime [0 : 2] Dunno Naya that well, HongUn is a veteran and an overall solid toss, he's got my vote.
(Z)ret vs (P)Cyrano [2 : 1] ret hwaiting! one of the most talented foreigner zergs ever, he's proven to have gotten a lot better since his shaky start in SC2. He seems more focused than ever in getting better and if he can bring back the fire he had in BW, I think he's going to be one of the best foreigners we've seen in a long time. With that being said, I think he can take this game, how far he'll go beyond that is up for debate, but I have faith in one of my favourite foreign zergs :D.
(T)JSLZenith vs (Z)Kyrix [0:2] Kyrix, no contest. Guy's an animal, probably a top 5 zerg IMO. JSL is good but not great, Kyrix almost beat FoxeR who's a player much better than JSL.
(T)BoxerPrime vs (Z)NEXLine [2: 0] FoxeR hwaiting! This should be easy for him.
(R)GuMihofOu vs (Z)Monster [0:2] Dunno either player but giving it to Monster because Monster is a pretty badass name.
(P)GuineaPig vs (Z)Junwi [0:2] *yawn* See you in ro32 Junwi.
(T)Clide vs (Z)Leenock [1:2] Cliiiiiiide, why are you so good? and by good I mean good at losing in ro64/ro32 of GSL ;/ Leenock is a solid Z, he'll come out on top, maybe with a little oppression on the side of Clide but I predict an outclassing by our Zerg player here.
(Z)Max vs (T)oGsHyperdub [0:2] Dunno Max, but Hyperdub is an amazing terran, I predict Hyperdub via rape.
(P)oGsMC vs (T)OdinMvP [2: 0] Dunno who this 'Odin' guy is but I think MC probably the rank #2 toss in the world right now will come out on top.
(Z)July vs (P)cOreZenith [2: 0] Gotta go with the BW legend here :D
(T)aLivefOu vs (Z)oGsZenio [0 : 2] Alive's going to be dead once Zenio gets through to him.
(T)PoltPrime vs (Z)NsP.Joon [2: 0] Dunno Joon but Polt's a very standard T player, but he's damn good at that. I like his bio plays and we'll probably see more of that from him to win against this Z player.
(T)Jinro vs (Z)NEXDrug [1:2] I love JinrO as much as the next guy, he's shown some great progress as a player especially after winning MLG:Dallas. However I think this is where the road ends for him, he might not fair well against korean zergs, his style seems way too passive to win a series over a good zerg. We'll see.
(Z)Moon vs (T)ButterflyEffect [2: 0] I'm a wc3 moon fanboy, so this one's a bit biased, just a bit though. Moon hwaiting!
(Z)IdrA vs (P)NEXChoa [2:1] I feel as though IdrA will repeat his last GSL appearances by making it as far as ro16 and losing. He's a great zerg but his style is way too one-dimensional, he lacks the creative style to solidify him as a contender for the finals. He will however defeat Choa a relatively unknown P player who's probably not as good.
(T)IMMVP vs (P)Banbanssu [2: 0] MVP wants to cement himself as a top terran and I think this is the GSL to do it. He's a very good ladder player but he needs to prove himself offline. With that being said, I think this is going to be a free round for him.
(Z)AnnYeong vs (P)Choya [0:2] Dunno AnnYeong but Choya's a beast, so Choya via ownage.
(T)Destination vs (Z)CheckPrime [0 :2] Check is one of the best zergs in this tournament, his impressive ladder record and strong past gsl appearances spell out a very bad day for our T player Destination over here.
(T)SlayerSBoxeR vs (T)NEXON [2: 0] The fucking Emperor, you can't .. bah! I can't even describe how one-sided this game will be.
On November 21 2010 19:09 CoR wrote: for ret the name is the nick and the nick is the name
Fixed. Yeah that one confused me when I first saw it, but I was just going by the brackets figuring thats what they reported that their names would be. Thanks
On November 22 2010 08:31 whiteguycash wrote: were there intentionally only 2 mirror matchups?
Yes, brackets are done primarily so that if there are as few mirrors as possible, with the exception of the most common races getting mirrors so that there is a better split of races going into the Ro32 and Ro16. The last 2 seasons have also never had teammates taking each other out until the Ro16, but this time they failed in that regard. Not too sure what other things they take into account when making the brackets though. Next year it will be seeded off of ranking.
hmm, didn't July try to qualify for GSL S1 or 2 as terran? I thought I read that somewhere - glad he's switching "back" to zerg, as that was his BW race gogogo God of War!
I am really sorry about this if it's already been stated in this thread, but I can't really search through 27 pages.
Can someone give a list of who all the big-name players lost to in the qualifiers? By them I mean of course: Inca, Top, Ensnare, Huk, SangHo, Tester, Select, Loner, Incontrol, and of course Nada.
Again, sorry if this has already been given. Big thanks in advance.
On November 23 2010 07:03 Krigwin wrote: Can someone give a list of who all the big-name players lost to in the qualifiers? By them I mean of course: Inca, Top, Ensnare, Huk, SangHo, Tester, Select, Loner, Incontrol, and of course Nada.
On November 23 2010 07:03 Krigwin wrote: Can someone give a list of who all the big-name players lost to in the qualifiers? By them I mean of course: Inca, Top, Ensnare, Huk, SangHo, Tester, Select, Loner, Incontrol, and of course Nada.
The Day 1 recap doesn't show who they lost to, and the Day 2 recap doesn't show who the players I mentioned lost to.
Although, it is interesting to see that Kyrix had to commit teamkill just to get into this tournament. Judging by the way he's playing and how these brackets are set up, looks like he's going to have to cannibalize a lot of his own team this season...
On November 23 2010 07:03 Krigwin wrote: Can someone give a list of who all the big-name players lost to in the qualifiers? By them I mean of course: Inca, Top, Ensnare, Huk, SangHo, Tester, Select, Loner, Incontrol, and of course Nada.
The Day 1 recap doesn't show who they lost to, and the Day 2 recap doesn't show who the players I mentioned lost to.
Although, it is interesting to see that Kyrix had to commit teamkill just to get into this tournament. Judging by the way he's playing and how these brackets are set up, looks like he's going to have to cannibalize a lot of his own team this season...
ok these are in korean but they do show who they lost to for the most part. if you have any names in particular you want Anglicized just PM me day 1 day 2
On November 20 2010 07:46 RedHelix wrote: IdrA's got some tough times ahead, steppes and jungle basin on his ro64 match(any info on what maps he excluded? weird that he didnt go for steppes at the very least) and then he may face mvp on ro32 although i think IdrA can definitely do it!
not positive, but pretty sure this season there's no excluding maps for players. just gotta play where they put ya. interesting choice, imo, might spice up the tourney, might blatantly make/break some matches to too significant a degree. i think they should have kept the exclusion system and used the feedback in future map development("hm, what's this, EVERY high level player of race x excludes map x? what can we fix about that....")
EPT
NesTea vs 
Jys: Shakuras Plateau, Delta Quadrant, Xel'Naga Caverns
oGsVines vs 
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