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On November 14 2010 01:22 disciple wrote:
first 2 points are all cool and fair, after that it goes horribly wrong. just for 1 year, wtf seriously. for 2011 they might want OGN's bosses daughter with 3 ferraris or smth like that. So yeah, no chance mbc/ogn are taking the offer
I second this post. Please just think about this: what has Gretech done for BW at all? It seems a bit much to be asking for 50/50 control of all broadcasting material this way; it is no wonder OGN/MBC never had any thought on accepting this offer in the first place. Simply outrageous.
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It is pretty clear that Blizzard-Gretech dont want fight against Kespa, but against the Broadcasters, because they are not so strong. One thing that was made clear last night was that BW = esports, the new game is just not appealing to watch as a casual.
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Ownership Rights: The ownership of the broadcasting material created under this contract will be split 50:50 between the Broadcasting station and Gretech/Blizzard.
can anyone with some experience in law-texts explain what this means?
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Thanks for the clarification Chef.Its the dark ages of progaming again in SC2....like BW it will grow out of such a situation soon.
To be honest the Broadcasting fee should be halved and the length doubled and split should be like 75:25 in favor of OGN/MBC.Does anyone know the offer made regarding the broadcast of Proleague.
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probably wont be agreed upon...
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this won't be agreed upon
we'll see how it plays out in Korea's legal system
I've never been a big fan of Kespa, but I hope they win since I consider them the lesser evil compared to Blizzard
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The anti-blizzard bias here is palpable. The terms are quite normal and reasonable, I fail to see why everyone is so outraged.
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On November 14 2010 01:51 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Thanks for the clarification Chef.Its the dark ages of progaming again in SC2....like BW it will grow out of such a situation soon.
To be honest the Broadcasting fee should be halved and the length doubled and split should be like 75:25 in favor of OGN/MBC.Does anyone know the offer made regarding the broadcast of Proleague.
I can show you the future of SC2. Just look at this: future
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Thanks for translation. I thought they had bigger demands than this...
On November 14 2010 01:42 konadora wrote:
what disciple said. pretty retarded terms imo, blizzard and gretech are really pushing themselves.
Be sure to use your 30000th post wisely!
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On November 14 2010 02:00 Borknagarush wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 01:51 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Thanks for the clarification Chef.Its the dark ages of progaming again in SC2....like BW it will grow out of such a situation soon.
To be honest the Broadcasting fee should be halved and the length doubled and split should be like 75:25 in favor of OGN/MBC.Does anyone know the offer made regarding the broadcast of Proleague. I can show you the future of SC2. Just look at this: future
Please don't pick a fight with everything I say,I just want you guys to do the same.....You don't like SC2,thats fine but I like it an I think it will go far.Enough with me derailing the topic.
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On November 14 2010 02:06 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 02:00 Borknagarush wrote:On November 14 2010 01:51 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Thanks for the clarification Chef.Its the dark ages of progaming again in SC2....like BW it will grow out of such a situation soon.
To be honest the Broadcasting fee should be halved and the length doubled and split should be like 75:25 in favor of OGN/MBC.Does anyone know the offer made regarding the broadcast of Proleague. I can show you the future of SC2. Just look at this: future Please don't pick a fight with everything I say,I just want you guys to do the same.....You don't like SC2,thats fine but I like it an I think it will go far.Enough with me derailing the topic.
Did you saw the link? What do you think?
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On November 14 2010 01:57 exeprime wrote:
The anti-blizzard bias here is palpable. The terms are quite normal and reasonable, I fail to see why everyone is so outraged.
They demand that for one year.
They arent some company which makes $ but a nonprofit organization, how can you ask that much of someone who doesnt even have the money, the only solution is cutting the prize pool or something, which will affect the players
They dont even purchase the rights to be alone, they dont even keep their content or anything
I fail to see how the demands ARENT unreasonable
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On November 14 2010 01:49 xlep wrote:Show nested quote +
Ownership Rights: The ownership of the broadcasting material created under this contract will be split 50:50 between the Broadcasting station and Gretech/Blizzard.
can anyone with some experience in law-texts explain what this means?
The specific wording of contracts is very important.
While I don't mean to insult Milkis' translation skills, it's hard to say you are giving an accurate explanation based on a third party translation.
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On November 14 2010 02:12 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 01:57 exeprime wrote:
The anti-blizzard bias here is palpable. The terms are quite normal and reasonable, I fail to see why everyone is so outraged. They demand that for one year. They arent some company which makes $ but a nonprofit organization, how can you ask that much of someone who doesnt even have the money, the only solution is cutting the prize pool or something, which will affect the players They dont even purchase the rights to be alone, they dont even keep their content or anything I fail to see how the demands ARENT unreasonable
100 million Won is about 90.000$ which is nothing for a program that gets broacasted on cable TV every week for one year. Also this contract is for MBC/OGN and not for Kespa. Also I'm pretty shure that Kespa demanded broadcasting fees from the stations even before Blizzard/Gretech interfered at all.
Money really isn't the issue here, it's all about the formal rights IP and broadcasting rights.
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no sane person/company would agree with these terms
it's like you have to pay them for giving them half of your content you create
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Did anyone else find this part hilarious?
"Contest License Fees: 1 won per year"
I giggled. Gretech/blizz clearly trolling with that line.
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Read through it pretty quick, but it does seem fair.
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On November 14 2010 02:18 Qeet wrote:
no sane person/company would agree with these terms
it's like you have to pay them for giving them half of your content you create
Have you ever seen the contracts for example FIFA has with the broadcasting stations? Those are ridiculous.
As I said 90.000$ are really irrelevant and the half of the content line is just formal. Like do you think Blizzard takes half of the programm and keeps it for themselves?
This is all comes down to the formal IP and Broadcasting rights.
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On November 14 2010 02:19 Comeh wrote:
Did anyone else find this part hilarious?
"Contest License Fees: 1 won per year"
I giggled. Gretech/blizz clearly trolling with that line.
It's so amateurs can still host tournaments, only professional broadcasters have to pay the real fee.
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On November 14 2010 02:19 Comeh wrote:
Did anyone else find this part hilarious?
"Contest License Fees: 1 won per year"
I giggled. Gretech/blizz clearly trolling with that line.
Theres actually comment somewhere from Gretech that it's intentional, but they said they have big broadcasting fee for stations that provide bad services... or something like that
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