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ALLEYCAT BLUES51700 Posts
At least now there will be a stabilized stance of on the negotiations for one party instead of some random PR shit.
1500th post well used.
Edit:Before lawsuits or not if its final then its final.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Well, this is in line with what people have been saying the demands were. No real big shockers here...
...except for one thing. I think that the clause about Blizzard's logo being displayed prominently is the first time we've seen direct evidence of a strong influence from Blizzard towards Gretech's negotiation attempts.
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Ownership Rights: The ownership of the broadcasting material created under this contract will be split 50:50 between the Broadcasting station and Gretech/Blizzard.
It should be 33 : 33 : 33 between the Broadcasting station , the Player/Team and Gretech/Blizzard.
The players contribute the most, second is the Broadcasting station, and next is Gretech/Blizzard. They don't have right to disregard the players/teams in this issue.
The terms are basically saying that Gretech/Blizzard can stop/change the entire esport industry whenever they want, which is not acceptable from the government's point of view. I think the gov won't let that happen, that's why the Broadcasting stations have the guts to go to court on this one.
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Well, I've said it before and I'll say it again. In my opinion, the only reason Gretech was given the IP rights by Blizzard is because Blizzard wanted a court battle. They assumed that they would lose in a Korean court if the case ended up being foreigner company versus Korean company, so they turned it into Korean company versus Korean company and are hoping this will help them get the result that they want.
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Yeah, that's not happening. See you in court.
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I don't quite understand this point.
"Sponsor: All revenue from Sponsorships will be the property of the broadcasting station"
Is this like forcing them to not be not for profit? As in since it is not KeSPA who manage the funds but rather OGN or MBC, the operation of leagues will therefore be for profit?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51700 Posts
Does "revenue split fairly" mean 50:50?
because broadcasting companies just barely make any profit in the first place.
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Croatia9567 Posts
Just so we're clear, this was posted by Gretech? Meaning, there's no possibility of it being forged or whatever.
I don't see why would anyone do that in the first place, as I'm not even sure who this contracts paints as a bad guys. Gretech for this conditions or broadcasting stations for not accepting it. Can someone with the little more expertize go over this conditions and elaborate?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51700 Posts
On November 14 2010 01:07 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Just so we're clear, this was posted by Gretech? Meaning, there's no possibility of it being forged or whatever.
I don't see why would anyone do that in the first place, as I'm not even sure who this contracts paints as a bad guys. Gretech for this conditions or broadcasting stations for not accepting it. Can someone with the little more expertize go over this conditions and elaborate?
why are you even looking for good guys and bad guys in the first place,it doesn't paint anyone as good or bad it just gives a clear stance of one party.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On November 14 2010 01:06 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Does "revenue split fairly" mean 50:50?
because broadcasting companies just barely make any profit in the first place.
No, you're misunderstanding that part of the offer. The revenue that they're talking about is the selling of sublicenses. So if MBC wants to sell the right to broadcast games to other entities, they need to give Gretech a piece of the revenue of that sale.
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What does sub-licenses mean in this matter? Selling osl rights to Chinese broadcaster?
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I don't get what's so unreasonably about this. Why not agree to this rather than get sued?
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seriously blizzard and gretech, go to hell
obvioulsy gretech is being influenced by blizzard
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On November 14 2010 01:15 tirentu wrote:
I don't get what's so unreasonably about this. Why not agree to this rather than get sued?
Why not to stop showing Brood War instead?
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9071 Posts
first 2 points are all cool and fair, after that it goes horribly wrong. just for 1 year, wtf seriously. for 2011 they might want OGN's bosses daughter with 3 ferraris or smth like that. So yeah, no chance mbc/ogn are taking the offer
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
I really fail to see why Gretech and Blizzard couldn't just sell the rights off for a dollar, make their point, and work on Sc2. Surely this is not a major revenue stream for them.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51700 Posts
On November 14 2010 01:18 Borknagarush wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 01:15 tirentu wrote:
I don't get what's so unreasonably about this. Why not agree to this rather than get sued? Why not to stop showing Brood War instead?
that makes no sense,please elaborate.He asked why was it unreasonable.I think its because they barely make any money on running these starleagues in the first place
On November 14 2010 01:23 tree.hugger wrote:
I really fail to see why Gretech and Blizzard couldn't just sell the rights off for a dollar, make their point, and work on Sc2. Surely this is not a major revenue stream for them.
I agree,but I think its because of competition and the fact that they want these stations to cast SC2 as soon as possible.
Also why does the length say 1 year if they are taking 100,000,000 won per season.
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The hope is to kill BroodWar, obviously. Blizzard/Gretech think they are losing money to BroodWar when they want to push SC2, so I suppose this is what they think compensation is. Otherwise it would be like the last million years of BroodWar, where they were left alone because all it did was advertise Blizz.
I doubt broadcasters could afford to pay this and even remotely produce the same quality of product that we are accustomed to. Look at GSL: It's a pile of shit. It's like it's 2001 again over there, except somehow worse.
Also why does the length say 1 year if they are taking 100,000,000 won per season.
IE: You can't pay for more than 3 seasons in advance (since they limit 3 seasons per year), meaning that at the end of the year you have to renegotiate the contract... Which means if eSports is suddenly doing amazing, they will ask for more money, or if it's in their interests to just say 'no more BroodWar' they can do that.' If you could pay for a contract over several years, they could not. So basically this controversy will happen every year and no one will ever get any sleep or feel like they have real job security. This creates so many more problems than I think people realise.
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
what disciple said. pretty retarded terms imo, blizzard and gretech are really pushing themselves.
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