Good thing then Zenio only made a physical gesture instead of saying something like "you're fucking trash." Because the magnitude of BM that Zenio did is almost for sure on a smaller level than that IdrA did.

nodq

Germany123 Posts

October 30 2010 01:18 GMT

#222

Wow... people care so much about such stupid things, unbelievable. And so much People are just hypocrites when the ytalk about how bad it is to be "BM" on Battle.Net blaaa... Whats the Problem... IdrA says what hes thinking, and very often its true what hes talking about, even if its BM or not true, its on BN... as if no one ohter here have ever felt angry after cheese or whatever. IdrA talks about it in Chat... yeah, maybe its not okay sometimes, right. But why do People care so much?

Beeing an Asshole on Television with Gestures like this is really much more kind of stupidness than anything elese. Ive never seen IdrA beeing BM at all on TV in SC2. He became much more professional last Days/Weeks. So that hes actually working on his deficits, does not count? Im sure everyone here is Perfect as a Human beeing!

And talking in Interviews about his own Chances vs others... then losing instead of winning like he thought and THEN People laughing at him and talking bullshit about him etc. and claiming that they have more insight in the Game as he does blabla? Common guys... he may be arrogant, maybe hes just rational. Unbelievable how intolerant People are.... srsly.

btw. An Attitude like Zenios on TV is much more asocial than talking trash on a Chat in a non important Environment.

I dont get why ppl care so much about such stuff, sigh.

jinorazi

Korea (South)4948 Posts

October 30 2010 01:18 GMT

#223

On October 30 2010 06:35 balintk wrote:
What is BM?

Bad Manner

ReketSomething

United States6012 Posts

October 30 2010 01:24 GMT

#224

my dear idra...thank you for letting us see ceremonies. Hopefully we will get to see some better ones. KEep up the good work!

SuperNomad

United Kingdom70 Posts

October 30 2010 01:31 GMT

#225

Making an agressive gesture towards someone is pretty bad mannered. But I think Idra making personal attacks on players he's just lost to is even worse.

I've got no problem with the winner cheering or whatever, it's just naturally what you do. Personally I'd like to see FruitDealer windmill his c*ck for a good 5 minutes when he wins a tournament.

infinity2k9

United Kingdom2397 Posts

October 30 2010 01:36 GMT

#226

On October 30 2010 01:32 Moreotters wrote:
Unfortunately it sucks to be Grack in this one. As stated by a few others, he's a person who has made his reputation on the premise of having a monster gameplay style and a monster bad attitude when he got beat by different races. Someone without a sufficient mastery of his own race though should be fully prepared to accept the heat when it comes down to it.

More often than not, you can see idrA takes a regular beating on Sen's stream and ZvZ is by far his worst matchup, so we probably should've saw it coming.

Psh a 'monster game style'. It's funny seeing people new to SC2 actually believe IdrA is good now, when he's just going to fade into shitness in SC2 just like in BW where he sat in the corner at CJ all day losing games. He got a head-start on everyone, only reason he's even anywhere at this point. Good to see even Koreans know hes a complete dick. You can see countless replays of him bming people even in his TSL2 reps, just for no reason cause he loses. He's not doing it to be 'entertaining' or 'play up a character' as all these new SC2 people seem to think, he's just an genuine dickhead.

On October 30 2010 03:58 JQL wrote:
What zenio did is not smart at all (at least dont do it in public), in my opinion, he made Koreans look bad. He made SC2 and E-sports look like trash.

Sorry, are we in a topic talking about IdrA here? Hrmm....

HarmoniCa

Sweden33 Posts

October 30 2010 01:47 GMT

#227

Well i think this guy Zenio took this little too far. Like he looks pissed off and now on tv he does this offensive geasture i dont like it at all looks like some kind of bully going vs idra. Idra is maybe a whiner but on another level that is b.net sweet stuff you know. Its cool but dont take it too far like this guy just did. Thats my opinion.

Milkis

5003 Posts

October 30 2010 01:51 GMT

#228

On October 30 2010 10:08 Terrakin wrote:
it was a great ceremony, im sure that ceremony made IdrA more fans in skorea

I'm pretty sure Idra has no fans in korea other than the foreigners who go there and watch the games lol

If you read the comments on fomos etc people are like "Idra got what he deserved" and comments about how no one likes Idra, and people are like "if anyone needs to behave it's Idra, not Zenio"

Korean fans are super happy with the ceremony etc since a good majority of them seems to think Idra is a bming punk who is making a fool out of himself in a foreign country.

So yeah let's not get delusional here lol

bubblegumbo

Taiwan1296 Posts

October 30 2010 01:52 GMT

#229

Idra had it coming, after years of being a shitty bad mannered kid, also you guys are a bunch of babies crying over a gesture that is not even the equivalent of the middle finger.

Blyadischa

419 Posts

October 30 2010 01:52 GMT

#230

BM is such a stupid concept.

People get pissed off, in any game. What do you want Starcraft to be, a bunch of complaisant Asians intently concentrating on a monitor? There is absolutely no character to the players in Starcraft.

This guy made a gesture of elbowing Idra from what it looks like. So?
People in hockey talk shit to each other and beat each other up all the time.

SMdiddy

United States6 Posts

October 30 2010 01:54 GMT

#231

btw. An Attitude like Zenios on TV is much more asocial than talking trash on a Chat in a non important Environment.

Its not just b.net when the replay gets uploaded.. and really people need to calm down the dude was excited I am sure he did this with out thinking about it to much. He won and made a sit down back hand motion :D I personally love it when players do this stuff makes it more interesting and lets not forget they are competing for $87,000 USD
Come on 1v1 it should be more bm just look at boxing

.Aar

2177 Posts

October 30 2010 01:57 GMT

#232

Oh my, that backhand gesture felt violent just watching it. Take a chill pill, dood.

NHY

1013 Posts

October 30 2010 02:08 GMT

#233

Afaik, Idra's supposed BM consisted of racial epitaphs + swearing.

If that is true, it would explain a lot as to why Idra has hard time finding good practice partners

and why there's so much hatred amongst some Korean players.

Also, since Idra vs Zenio, I sense that Korean fans' attitude towards Idra has changed considerably.

Shifft

Canada1085 Posts

October 30 2010 02:14 GMT

#234

Are you people seriously still crying about that little gesture he made when he won? Honestly when I watched it live I just assumed he was really happy and was fistpumping weirdly or something.....

SKtheAnathema

United States885 Posts

October 30 2010 02:17 GMT

#235

it's insane that people prefer being a pussy behind a keyboard over being a manlyass zenio in real life in front of thousands

talking shit in chat with no repercussion is cooler than showing your disgust for someone publicly? really???

you're all piece of shit terran-playing faggots then! (but i'll smile and gg you at LAN tourneys)

jax1492

United States1632 Posts

October 30 2010 02:20 GMT

#236

i like this kid, he could be very interesting to watch

PanzerDragoon

United States822 Posts

October 30 2010 02:23 GMT

#237

On October 30 2010 06:33 funwisc wrote:
seriously, ppl talking about the level of BM?
Idra is well known for saying "fucking kimchi man" in korean sc2 community.
racist comment > zenio's ceremony imo.
and it's just a ceremony or celebration guys. it's for the show, interesting ceremonies bring more ppl into watching SC2, therefore more sponsors.

lol is this true

and people still defend Idra?

Milkis

5003 Posts

October 30 2010 02:30 GMT

#238

korean netizen response

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=164979

Ocedic

United States1808 Posts

October 30 2010 02:36 GMT

#239

On October 30 2010 00:57 Piy wrote:
I think people underestimate the amount of BM amongst Koreans 0.0

It's still not Idra level though :p

Don't think Zenio will do that well after this, was pretty unimpressed with him so far.

The difference is Koreans tend to due it only when it's deserved or in context of the situation, whereas people like Idra BM out of childish rage after losing or to boost their own ego. Basically no bite to back up the bark.

PanzerDragoon

United States822 Posts

October 30 2010 02:36 GMT

#240

On October 30 2010 10:18 nodq wrote:
Wow... people care so much about such stupid things, unbelievable. And so much People are just hypocrites when the ytalk about how bad it is to be "BM" on Battle.Net blaaa... Whats the Problem... IdrA says what hes thinking, and very often its true what hes talking about, even if its BM or not true, its on BN... as if no one ohter here have ever felt angry after cheese or whatever. IdrA talks about it in Chat... yeah, maybe its not okay sometimes, right. But why do People care so much?

Beeing an Asshole on Television with Gestures like this is really much more kind of stupidness than anything elese. Ive never seen IdrA beeing BM at all on TV in SC2. He became much more professional last Days/Weeks. So that hes actually working on his deficits, does not count? Im sure everyone here is Perfect as a Human beeing!

And talking in Interviews about his own Chances vs others... then losing instead of winning like he thought and THEN People laughing at him and talking bullshit about him etc. and claiming that they have more insight in the Game as he does blabla? Common guys... he may be arrogant, maybe hes just rational. Unbelievable how intolerant People are.... srsly.

btw. An Attitude like Zenios on TV is much more asocial than talking trash on a Chat in a non important Environment.

I dont get why ppl care so much about such stuff, sigh.

Idra never trash talks when he wins, if you've ever noticed. He just bashes his opponent when he loses. There's talking trash when winning, which is one thing. Talking trash when you lose makes you look like a crybaby.

Idra gets his just desserts.