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On October 24 2010 13:53 MadULol wrote:I look at the world in an unbiased way ? What just because he plays starcraft or is from team XYZ should make him "special" and I should scream bloody murder horror over... NOTHING ? People TRY to molest kids every day and I haven't read of anyone this "shocked" about what... did not happen to him for like 10 years worth of reading the news... Newsflash: there are more evil people than good people in the world. This is neither new or shocking.
a 15 year old was scared to sleep because this man was making him feel uncomfortable and you think all of this boils down to "just" the zipper incident? of course this is going to fuck with the kid's head, are you dense?
I like how you use the fact that people try to molest kids every day as justification to argue that this kid was probably not actually traumatized or had some other agenda. Seriously, what is wrong with you?
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He's certainly confused and scared right now, hence the reaction.
Someone he trusted attempted to take advantage of him, he no longer belongs to a pro-gaming team and because he dropped out of school his future is possibly pretty grim.
Hes' probably also lost a lot of confidence about his ability as a gamer by wondering if the only reason he was put on a team was because of this sicko's attraction.
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On October 24 2010 13:56 Vz0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 13:47 sigma_x wrote:On October 24 2010 13:31 Vz0 wrote:On October 24 2010 12:47 GrazerRinge wrote:
omg...
betting scandal,
activision suing ONG / MBC
then this?
I rather quit this fucking scene then continue to read this crap...i am really sad now T.T
I thought and wished that in pro gaming scene these things will not happen... this has nothing to do with you.... you think its the first day we see big companies sue each other? its the first time we've seen pedo/bi/gays molest 15 year olds? honestly, wake up, this is the REAL world. Sure, it might have nothing to do directly with me. But it's still pretty poor form to shrug off sexual assault because it is "the real world". Shrug off? I am telling you to just not take it personally. It sucks.but its nothing compared to world wars, holocaust, atomic bomb etc etc, your not going to worry about that every second of your life are you?
No, but i'm not going to tell others what they can or can not sympathise or empathise with.
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On October 24 2010 13:58 MadULol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 13:54 holy_war wrote:
Right, not a big deal at all... so if you had a 15 year old son and he told you that someone attempted to molest him, would you really just tell him to suck it up and pretend it never happened? If so, you are a sick person.
If I had a 15 years old son, A) I wouldn't have let him trash his school curriculum (as much as I hate it) to become a gamer and B) I have enough sense not to let kids alone with adults I don't trust. Since the article details that "the mother" was there, she's obviously doing a damn shitty job at parenting...
Because Argentina is just as Korea, go check the world, not everything is as it is in South America
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On October 24 2010 13:48 MadULol wrote:
Ok the guy tried to hit on him in a really unsubtle way, which was inappropriate anyways due to his age but apparently backed off.
That's an awful lot of crying for a zipper. Are people seriously thinking any sane teenager would suffer complete psychological and emotional breakdown because one guy touched a zipper ?
I could understand if he -really- got molested or raped but this over-sensitive "buaaa my life is over" out of proportions melodrama is really... more appalling than "shocking". I don't think you get it. He quit high school (at the age of 15) in order to fully commit himself to the team and SC2. I'm not totally sure about what things are like in Korea, but I know that here is someone drops out of high school at 15 it is quite difficult to get back on track not to mention how hard of an age 15 can be for most people anyways. As it says in the translation, he feels BETRAYED. He thought he had talent and that was why he was scouted, but now he is completely unsure of himself and now has nothing left since he is out of school and no longer has a team to support him.
Hopefully he has very supportive friends and family.
Even if you are insensitive about it keep it to yourself, there is no reason to post that on this forum. That is very douchey. This is something that greatly affects many peoples life, don't be so quick to say that it is not a big deal.
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On October 24 2010 14:00 torm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 13:53 MadULol wrote:On October 24 2010 13:50 torm wrote:
wtf is wrong with you? I look at the world in an unbiased way ? What just because he plays starcraft or is from team XYZ should make him "special" and I should scream bloody murder horror over... NOTHING ? People TRY to molest kids every day and I haven't read of anyone this "shocked" about what... did not happen to him for like 10 years worth of reading the news... Newsflash: there are more evil people than good people in the world. This is neither new or shocking. a 15 year old was scared to sleep because this man was making him feel uncomfortable and you think all of this boils down to "just" the zipper incident? of course this is going to fuck with the kid's head, are you dense? I like how you use the fact that people try to molest kids every day as justification to argue that this kid was probably not actually traumatized or had some other agenda. Seriously, what is wrong with you?
I'd be scared to sleep in any adults room/house that I didn't know very well. But a touched zipper is not a molestation, and people should stop considering them the same.
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Respect for Cella, I mean a lot of people are just jumping on saying OMFG WTF HOW COULD HE. Without considering it might be false, Cella doing the right thing and not standing by him but saying he's waiting to see it's a good move and probably the only way that the WeRRa clan can be salvaged is if they can get the players to do similar.
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On October 24 2010 14:00 torm wrote:
a 15 year old was scared to sleep because this man was making him feel uncomfortable and you think all of this boils down to "just" the zipper incident? of course this is going to fuck with the kid's head, are you dense?
I like how you use the fact that people try to molest kids every day as justification to argue that this kid was probably not actually traumatized or had some other agenda. Seriously, what is wrong with you?
A 15 years old so scared that instead of trying to reach for help outside/on the net while the guy was sleeping, SPENT HOURS LADDERING ON BATTLE.NET.
Spare me the drama, he might have been somewhat uncomfortable by the other guy's behavior but it seems he perfectly evaluated the risks and LATER had his breakdown because he concocted some big bad scenario in his head and fatigue of the fatigue or the scenario he imagined.
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As I read the post, there has been no molestation, but only attempted molestation. I dont think that opening the fly could be considered molestation. However, I dont know what the other members already stated.
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On October 24 2010 13:53 MadULol wrote:I look at the world in an unbiased way ? What just because he plays starcraft or is from team XYZ should make him "special" and I should scream bloody murder horror over... NOTHING ? People TRY to molest kids every day and I haven't read of anyone this "shocked" about what... did not happen to him for like 10 years worth of reading the news... Newsflash: there are more evil people than good people in the world. This is neither new or shocking.
You're pretty narrow-minded if you think that only things that get reported in the news are worth anything. Sure there are kids who people "TRY" to molest every day, does that make it worth any less? People are raped and murdered every day as well, and it doesn't make the news, does that mean it doesn't mean anything?
You're being ignorant, and also an ass if you think that this is a kid being "melodramatic". I've been studying Psychology for 6 years and can tell you, as could almost anyone for that matter, that an incident such as this can be extremely psychologically damaging.
Don't be an insensitive asshole, try and put yourself in his shoes. In one night this kid had his trust destroyed, his critical life decisions completely undermined, his dreams of maybe becoming a professional gamer completely crushed, and somebody tried to molest him for fuck's sake. Can you imagine what he's going through right now? Stop being such a fucking tool and have some fucking compassion.
Edit: Wtf this guy has 5 posts and every single one of them is a troll?
On October 24 2010 14:07 Ludwigvan wrote:
As I read the post, there has been no molestation, but only attempted molestation. I dont think that opening the fly could be considered molestation. However, I dont know what the other members already stated.
Not really sure what your point is here? I'm pretty sure it CAN be counted as molestation, but even if it can't... so? Is attempted rape not a big deal? Attempted murder? It's not like any serious crime "attempted" is just a slap on the wrist and a fine.
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Here's an update on the current situation.
Gundam decided to leave the Werra clan because all the other administrators thought that would be the only way to minimize the damage. Still, many people already left cause this whole fiasco made an uncurrable damage to the Werra clan, being the general public thinking that Werra is related to 'gayness'. The majority of members not wanting themselves to be thought as gay left, and the co-manager is deciding whether to close down Werra permanently or start another clan with the remaining members. Either way, Gumdam is completely toasted, and only time will tell whether he will be charged or sentenced for his actions.
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On October 24 2010 14:07 Subversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 13:53 MadULol wrote:On October 24 2010 13:50 torm wrote:
wtf is wrong with you? I look at the world in an unbiased way ? What just because he plays starcraft or is from team XYZ should make him "special" and I should scream bloody murder horror over... NOTHING ? People TRY to molest kids every day and I haven't read of anyone this "shocked" about what... did not happen to him for like 10 years worth of reading the news... Newsflash: there are more evil people than good people in the world. This is neither new or shocking. You're pretty narrow-minded if you think that only things that get reported in the news are worth anything. Sure there are kids who people "TRY" to molest every day, does that make it worth any less? People are raped and murdered every day as well, and it doesn't make the news, does that mean it doesn't mean anything? You're being ignorant, and also an ass if you think that this is a kid being "melodramatic". I've been studying Psychology for 6 years and can tell you, as could almost anyone for that matter, that an incident such as this can be extremely psychologically damaging. Don't be an insensitive asshole, try and put yourself in his shoes. In one night this kid had his trust destroyed, his critical life decisions completely undermined, his dreams of maybe becoming a professional gamer completely crushed, and somebody tried to molest him for fuck's sake. Can you imagine what he's going through right now? Stop being such a fucking tool and have some fucking compassion. Edit: Wtf this guy has 5 posts and every single one of them is a troll?
That "Madulol" character is obviously a troll account created for this incident. I hope the TL mods come and bash some heads and ban his/her original account.
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On October 24 2010 14:05 MythicalMage wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 14:00 torm wrote:On October 24 2010 13:53 MadULol wrote:On October 24 2010 13:50 torm wrote:
wtf is wrong with you? I look at the world in an unbiased way ? What just because he plays starcraft or is from team XYZ should make him "special" and I should scream bloody murder horror over... NOTHING ? People TRY to molest kids every day and I haven't read of anyone this "shocked" about what... did not happen to him for like 10 years worth of reading the news... Newsflash: there are more evil people than good people in the world. This is neither new or shocking. a 15 year old was scared to sleep because this man was making him feel uncomfortable and you think all of this boils down to "just" the zipper incident? of course this is going to fuck with the kid's head, are you dense? I like how you use the fact that people try to molest kids every day as justification to argue that this kid was probably not actually traumatized or had some other agenda. Seriously, what is wrong with you? I'd be scared to sleep in any adults room/house that I didn't know very well. But a touched zipper is not a molestation, and people should stop considering them the same.
If you are touched in ANY way that is against your will or makes you uncomfortable, you've been molested. This kid was obviously already emotionally traumatized by events prior to staying up all night. He's 15 and he has some 32 year old person who he thought was a friend putting his head on his lap and wrapping his arms around him and not allowing him to change outside of his room. I can't believe anybody would even sit here and attempt to argue that this kid was "not technically molested" or "not actually traumatized", you guys must have lived pretty sheltered lives to not understand that this can be extremely traumatizing.
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On October 24 2010 14:09 wringer wrote:
Here's an update on the current situation.
Gundam decided to leave the Werra clan because all the other administrators thought that would be the only way to minimize the damage. Still, many people already left cause this whole fiasco made an uncurrable damage to the Werra clan, being the general public thinking that Werra is related to 'gayness'. The majority of members not wanting themselves to be thought as gay left, and the co-manager is deciding whether to close down Werra permanently or start another clan with the remaining members. Either way, Gumdam is completely toasted, and only time will tell whether he will be charged or sentenced for his actions.
Were there actually any news stories on it? Because that will hurt the chances of WeRRa sticking around quite a lot.
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On October 24 2010 14:07 Subversion wrote:
Don't be an insensitive asshole, try and put yourself in his shoes. In one night this kid had his trust destroyed, his critical life decisions completely undermined, his dreams of maybe becoming a professional gamer completely crushed, and somebody tried to molest him for fuck's sake. Can you imagine what he's going through right now? Stop being such a fucking tool and have some fucking compassion.
- Critical life decisions at FIFTEEN ?
- Touched zipper =! Molestation
- Every kid dreams of being paid to game, he'll get over it.
That being said, what kind of planet are you living on dude ?
User was banned for this post.
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On October 24 2010 14:05 MythicalMage wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 14:00 torm wrote:On October 24 2010 13:53 MadULol wrote:On October 24 2010 13:50 torm wrote:
wtf is wrong with you? I look at the world in an unbiased way ? What just because he plays starcraft or is from team XYZ should make him "special" and I should scream bloody murder horror over... NOTHING ? People TRY to molest kids every day and I haven't read of anyone this "shocked" about what... did not happen to him for like 10 years worth of reading the news... Newsflash: there are more evil people than good people in the world. This is neither new or shocking. a 15 year old was scared to sleep because this man was making him feel uncomfortable and you think all of this boils down to "just" the zipper incident? of course this is going to fuck with the kid's head, are you dense? I like how you use the fact that people try to molest kids every day as justification to argue that this kid was probably not actually traumatized or had some other agenda. Seriously, what is wrong with you? I'd be scared to sleep in any adults room/house that I didn't know very well. But a touched zipper is not a molestation, and people should stop considering them the same.
"it is illegal for an adult to touch any portion of a child's body with a "lewd and lascivious" intent."
That's the legal definition. So basically, when he put his hand on the kid's thigh, he was molesting him. I think opening the kid's fly while he's sleeping is certainly a step further than that. So yes, this is definitely LEGAL molestation. So please stop saying otherwise.
On October 24 2010 14:13 MadULol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 14:07 Subversion wrote:
Don't be an insensitive asshole, try and put yourself in his shoes. In one night this kid had his trust destroyed, his critical life decisions completely undermined, his dreams of maybe becoming a professional gamer completely crushed, and somebody tried to molest him for fuck's sake. Can you imagine what he's going through right now? Stop being such a fucking tool and have some fucking compassion.
- Critical life decisions at FIFTEEN ? - Touched zipper =! Molestation - Every kid dreams of being paid to game, he'll get over it. That being said, what kind of planet are you living on dude ?
Dude you are so ignorant it's insane. You have absolutely no idea what it's like in Korea. His decision at "FIFTEEN" was an enormous life decision, and probably one he may never be able to fully recover from. You just don't understand how education and competition works here whatsoever. I fucking live in Korea, I teach at a fucking Korean High School, so I do know a little of what I'm talking about.
If you read above, yes a touched zipper DOES = molestation. And your third point I'm not even going to address, because you obviously completely missed mine.
What planet am I living on? I don't know, one that's against children being sexually abused?
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On October 24 2010 14:10 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 14:09 wringer wrote:
Here's an update on the current situation.
Gundam decided to leave the Werra clan because all the other administrators thought that would be the only way to minimize the damage. Still, many people already left cause this whole fiasco made an uncurrable damage to the Werra clan, being the general public thinking that Werra is related to 'gayness'. The majority of members not wanting themselves to be thought as gay left, and the co-manager is deciding whether to close down Werra permanently or start another clan with the remaining members. Either way, Gumdam is completely toasted, and only time will tell whether he will be charged or sentenced for his actions. Were there actually any news stories on it? Because that will hurt the chances of WeRRa sticking around quite a lot.
I think thats a given.
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On October 24 2010 14:10 torm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 14:05 MythicalMage wrote:On October 24 2010 14:00 torm wrote:On October 24 2010 13:53 MadULol wrote:On October 24 2010 13:50 torm wrote:
wtf is wrong with you? I look at the world in an unbiased way ? What just because he plays starcraft or is from team XYZ should make him "special" and I should scream bloody murder horror over... NOTHING ? People TRY to molest kids every day and I haven't read of anyone this "shocked" about what... did not happen to him for like 10 years worth of reading the news... Newsflash: there are more evil people than good people in the world. This is neither new or shocking. a 15 year old was scared to sleep because this man was making him feel uncomfortable and you think all of this boils down to "just" the zipper incident? of course this is going to fuck with the kid's head, are you dense? I like how you use the fact that people try to molest kids every day as justification to argue that this kid was probably not actually traumatized or had some other agenda. Seriously, what is wrong with you? I'd be scared to sleep in any adults room/house that I didn't know very well. But a touched zipper is not a molestation, and people should stop considering them the same. If you are touched in ANY way that is against your will or makes you uncomfortable, you've been molested. This kid was obviously already emotionally traumatized by events prior to staying up all night. He's 15 and he has some 32 year old person who he thought was a friend putting his head on his lap and wrapping his arms around him and not allowing him to change outside of his room. I can't believe anybody would even sit here and attempt to argue that this kid was "not technically molested" or "not actually traumatized", you guys must have lived pretty sheltered lives to not understand that this can be extremely traumatizing.
Traumatizing? Definitely. I don't understand why he just didn't leave if he was uncomfortable, as it didn't say in the article. Probably afraid for his position on the team or didn't have transportation, but that's just another unknown that strikes me as odd. Not saying he's lying, just that it's odd and I'd like both sides of the story.
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On October 24 2010 14:16 MythicalMage wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 14:10 torm wrote:On October 24 2010 14:05 MythicalMage wrote:On October 24 2010 14:00 torm wrote:On October 24 2010 13:53 MadULol wrote:On October 24 2010 13:50 torm wrote:
wtf is wrong with you? I look at the world in an unbiased way ? What just because he plays starcraft or is from team XYZ should make him "special" and I should scream bloody murder horror over... NOTHING ? People TRY to molest kids every day and I haven't read of anyone this "shocked" about what... did not happen to him for like 10 years worth of reading the news... Newsflash: there are more evil people than good people in the world. This is neither new or shocking. a 15 year old was scared to sleep because this man was making him feel uncomfortable and you think all of this boils down to "just" the zipper incident? of course this is going to fuck with the kid's head, are you dense? I like how you use the fact that people try to molest kids every day as justification to argue that this kid was probably not actually traumatized or had some other agenda. Seriously, what is wrong with you? I'd be scared to sleep in any adults room/house that I didn't know very well. But a touched zipper is not a molestation, and people should stop considering them the same. If you are touched in ANY way that is against your will or makes you uncomfortable, you've been molested. This kid was obviously already emotionally traumatized by events prior to staying up all night. He's 15 and he has some 32 year old person who he thought was a friend putting his head on his lap and wrapping his arms around him and not allowing him to change outside of his room. I can't believe anybody would even sit here and attempt to argue that this kid was "not technically molested" or "not actually traumatized", you guys must have lived pretty sheltered lives to not understand that this can be extremely traumatizing. Traumatizing? Definitely. Molestation? Certainly not. I don't understand why he just didn't leave if he was uncomfortable, as it didn't say in the article. Probably afraid for his position on the team or didn't have transportation, but that's just another unknown that strikes me as odd. Not saying he's lying, just that it's odd and I'd like both sides of the story.
I'm just going to post this again, because you obviously missed it the first time.
"it is illegal for an adult to touch any portion of a child's body with a "lewd and lascivious" intent."
That's the legal definition. So basically, when he put his hand on the kid's thigh, he was molesting him. I think opening the kid's fly while he's sleeping is certainly a step further than that. So yes, this is definitely LEGAL molestation. So please stop saying otherwise.
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On October 24 2010 06:15 unbal3 wrote:
then asked him if he was gay.
He insisted it was a misunderstanding; he said his work was in meeting (and probably negotiating) with other people, so he definitely wasn't.
Are homosexuals allowed to attend meetings in South Korea?
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