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On October 10 2010 01:16 zoov wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 00:30 Zyphen wrote:On October 09 2010 17:35 Entropic wrote:On October 08 2010 16:19 GTR wrote:On October 08 2010 16:15 IdrA wrote:On October 08 2010 16:07 shizi wrote:
are these guys better than sen? i always thought sen was the best chinese player sens better but hes not chinese *waits for flood of chinese nationalists* Counting down in 3... 2... 1... Having seen some replays of Loner, I've never seen his lategame in TvP and TvZ. Some pretty well timed midgame pushes however. Well... since no one else is jumping on this: 1) Taiwan is called the "Republic of China" officially 2) Everybody of value that belonged to the "Guomingdang" political party (which basically was China pre-1940s) relocated to Taiwan 3) The difference between Taiwan and China is like the difference between South Korea and North Korea (except economics, military, etc.). I don't really care too much but my dad's hardcore about it so some of his arguments in a nutshell. I'm a US citizen. Firstly, great interview! Anyways, I couldn't resist expressing my view in regards to the whole Taiwan-China topic which was started after IdrA said Sen isn't Chinese because he's from Taiwan. I'm an Australian citizen, but I'm Taiwanese and in my opinoin I don't consider Taiwan-China to be similar to South Korea-North Korea. Firstly, it's almost been 100 years since the people from the Guomindang political party left China and many things have changed since then. Taiwanese people have stuck to Traditional Chinese whereas the mainland Chinese people changed to Simplified. Not only was the reading/writing changed, but the way and manner Taiwanese speak is largely different to how Chinese people talk, not just accent-wise. A very large amount of Taiwanese people also speak the Taiwanese dialect. If I'm not mistaken, you find any North Korean or South Korean and have them engage in conversation. I'm fairly certain they will find it extremely easy to understand each other and have barely any differences in the way they hold normal day-to-day conversations whereas I have personally met many Chinese friends and from my experience, I have to focus and listen very intently to understand what they are saying. Not only is there differences in language, but also the cuisine has seen vast changes and many staple Taiwanese dishes which I doubt you will find in China. There are many more things I could mention but its past 2am and I should be going to bed. I hope you see where I'm coming from =) just wanted to express my personal view. I see myself as Taiwanese, not Chinese and I just really can't say that we are like North-South Korea. In my view, I would liken it more towards such as how Americans, New Zealanders and Australians all first migrated from England.
I don't like talking about politics in the thread, but you really tried so hard to distinguish yourself from Chinese, which makes you only more pathetic. Your "big difference between languages and cuisines" exaggerates too much. I'd rather agree Zyphen's dad than yours.
Also, Idra's intelligence is not enough to talk about politics. He only tells bad jokes.
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On October 08 2010 16:15 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 16:07 shizi wrote:
are these guys better than sen? i always thought sen was the best chinese player sens better but hes not chinese
chinese in general sense, which usually means a specific race rather than a region/nationality.
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On October 10 2010 01:53 bonedriven wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 01:16 zoov wrote:On October 10 2010 00:30 Zyphen wrote:On October 09 2010 17:35 Entropic wrote:On October 08 2010 16:19 GTR wrote:On October 08 2010 16:15 IdrA wrote:On October 08 2010 16:07 shizi wrote:
are these guys better than sen? i always thought sen was the best chinese player sens better but hes not chinese *waits for flood of chinese nationalists* Counting down in 3... 2... 1... Having seen some replays of Loner, I've never seen his lategame in TvP and TvZ. Some pretty well timed midgame pushes however. Well... since no one else is jumping on this: 1) Taiwan is called the "Republic of China" officially 2) Everybody of value that belonged to the "Guomingdang" political party (which basically was China pre-1940s) relocated to Taiwan 3) The difference between Taiwan and China is like the difference between South Korea and North Korea (except economics, military, etc.). I don't really care too much but my dad's hardcore about it so some of his arguments in a nutshell. I'm a US citizen. Firstly, great interview! Anyways, I couldn't resist expressing my view in regards to the whole Taiwan-China topic which was started after IdrA said Sen isn't Chinese because he's from Taiwan. I'm an Australian citizen, but I'm Taiwanese and in my opinoin I don't consider Taiwan-China to be similar to South Korea-North Korea. Firstly, it's almost been 100 years since the people from the Guomindang political party left China and many things have changed since then. Taiwanese people have stuck to Traditional Chinese whereas the mainland Chinese people changed to Simplified. Not only was the reading/writing changed, but the way and manner Taiwanese speak is largely different to how Chinese people talk, not just accent-wise. A very large amount of Taiwanese people also speak the Taiwanese dialect. If I'm not mistaken, you find any North Korean or South Korean and have them engage in conversation. I'm fairly certain they will find it extremely easy to understand each other and have barely any differences in the way they hold normal day-to-day conversations whereas I have personally met many Chinese friends and from my experience, I have to focus and listen very intently to understand what they are saying. Not only is there differences in language, but also the cuisine has seen vast changes and many staple Taiwanese dishes which I doubt you will find in China. There are many more things I could mention but its past 2am and I should be going to bed. I hope you see where I'm coming from =) just wanted to express my personal view. I see myself as Taiwanese, not Chinese and I just really can't say that we are like North-South Korea. In my view, I would liken it more towards such as how Americans, New Zealanders and Australians all first migrated from England. I don't like talking about politics in the thread, but you really tried so hard to distinguish yourself from Chinese, which makes you only more pathetic. Your "big difference between languages and cuisines" exaggerates too much. I'd rather agree Zyphen's dad than yours. Also, Idra's intelligence is not enough to talk about politics. He only tells bad jokes.
Here come the fenqing. How is zooy's language barrier example an exaggeration? How is distinguishing Taiwan from China "pathetic"? You're only support for your opinion is your ad hominem attacks which you use against him and idra. Those attacks make your views look more silly. Also, I would bet that idra, who has spent a lot of time with both east Asian and western citizens, is more keenly aware of race and politics than you are.
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United States5070 Posts
Will you guys stop derailing this thread? Jesus christ.
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On October 10 2010 05:24 Scias wrote:
Also, I would bet that idra, who has spent a lot of time with both east Asian and western citizens, is more keenly aware of race and politics than you are.
What the hell? I'm Chinese from mainland. Oh, that's why I attack him and Idra?
Just to make it clear, generally I hate all patriotism.
I was fine by that trash talk from Idra which has nothing to do with our discussion, but I couldn't stand someone pick up his words and make a fuss.
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Those Taiwanese/Chinese guys above. Take your politic argument elsewhere. This thread is about SC2. Anyway, Taiwan people dont like/ look down upon mainland people.
On topic:
I've watched Loner play since beta, I dont think he's a good macro player, but its SC2, everybody can macro to some degree. But his ingame decision is damn good, and that why I think he still has great potential in SC2
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Sweden33719 Posts
On October 10 2010 01:53 bonedriven wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 01:16 zoov wrote:On October 10 2010 00:30 Zyphen wrote:On October 09 2010 17:35 Entropic wrote:On October 08 2010 16:19 GTR wrote:On October 08 2010 16:15 IdrA wrote:On October 08 2010 16:07 shizi wrote:
are these guys better than sen? i always thought sen was the best chinese player sens better but hes not chinese *waits for flood of chinese nationalists* Counting down in 3... 2... 1... Having seen some replays of Loner, I've never seen his lategame in TvP and TvZ. Some pretty well timed midgame pushes however. Well... since no one else is jumping on this: 1) Taiwan is called the "Republic of China" officially 2) Everybody of value that belonged to the "Guomingdang" political party (which basically was China pre-1940s) relocated to Taiwan 3) The difference between Taiwan and China is like the difference between South Korea and North Korea (except economics, military, etc.). I don't really care too much but my dad's hardcore about it so some of his arguments in a nutshell. I'm a US citizen. Firstly, great interview! Anyways, I couldn't resist expressing my view in regards to the whole Taiwan-China topic which was started after IdrA said Sen isn't Chinese because he's from Taiwan. I'm an Australian citizen, but I'm Taiwanese and in my opinoin I don't consider Taiwan-China to be similar to South Korea-North Korea. Firstly, it's almost been 100 years since the people from the Guomindang political party left China and many things have changed since then. Taiwanese people have stuck to Traditional Chinese whereas the mainland Chinese people changed to Simplified. Not only was the reading/writing changed, but the way and manner Taiwanese speak is largely different to how Chinese people talk, not just accent-wise. A very large amount of Taiwanese people also speak the Taiwanese dialect. If I'm not mistaken, you find any North Korean or South Korean and have them engage in conversation. I'm fairly certain they will find it extremely easy to understand each other and have barely any differences in the way they hold normal day-to-day conversations whereas I have personally met many Chinese friends and from my experience, I have to focus and listen very intently to understand what they are saying. Not only is there differences in language, but also the cuisine has seen vast changes and many staple Taiwanese dishes which I doubt you will find in China. There are many more things I could mention but its past 2am and I should be going to bed. I hope you see where I'm coming from =) just wanted to express my personal view. I see myself as Taiwanese, not Chinese and I just really can't say that we are like North-South Korea. In my view, I would liken it more towards such as how Americans, New Zealanders and Australians all first migrated from England. I don't like talking about politics in the thread, but you really tried so hard to distinguish yourself from Chinese, which makes you only more pathetic. Your "big difference between languages and cuisines" exaggerates too much. I'd rather agree Zyphen's dad than yours. Also, Idra's intelligence is not enough to talk about politics. He only tells bad jokes.
This discussion doesnt go any further than this. Stick to the interview, Taiwan vs China has been rehashed enough times on these forums.
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dang that mousepad is huge
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omg...this politic is getting pout of control, anyway congrat to loner and luffy, and for some reason i can't ignore the amount of anime name in the bracket, like bleach, luffy and naruto, kindda funny
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