• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 14:43
CET 20:43
KST 04:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation13Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ What happened to TvZ on Retro? SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1830 users

Post your Rig [Will it run SC2? - Page 21

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 19 20 21 22 23 111 Next
sudo.era
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States300 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-01 23:30:42
August 01 2009 23:29 GMT
#401
On August 02 2009 05:28 gloryofgreece wrote:
Would you guys recommend Cyberpower pc or alienware?

I am not really a gamer, just want one for bw and sc 2. I am thinking aobut lenovo...reliability is important to me.

Neither neither neither neither.

Alienware has had decently priced PC's in the past, but for the most part they charge too much. Cyberpower, ibuypower, and all of the sites with that cheesy layout are 100% scams, and all of them have the same core owners, running from different locations. Do NOT buy from them, or you will regret it.

I've found much worse review columns where hundreds of people slam the sites, but can't find 'em now. Here's a decent example, though:

http://forums.pcworld.com/message/127452

-- "The computer never worked at all period. Their tech support and customer service were virtually useless."

-- "Ordered a very high end system in January of 2007 ($1700- no monitor) and have had nothing but problems since. Showed up with major restart problems, cycling without starting up, etc. I have sent it back to them 3 times for repairs with zero success."

etc
_Spooky_
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States71 Posts
August 02 2009 00:21 GMT
#402
OS: Windows Vista 64 bit
CPU: Intel Core Quad Q6600 2
Memory: 4 GB DDR2
Graphics: ATI 4870
Hard Drives: 1000 GB
Screen: 1920 X 1080
As a well-spent day brings happy sleep, so a life well spent brings happy death. -Da Vinci
gloryofgreece
Profile Joined December 2008
United States29 Posts
August 02 2009 04:00 GMT
#403
On August 02 2009 08:29 sudo.era wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2009 05:28 gloryofgreece wrote:
Would you guys recommend Cyberpower pc or alienware?

I am not really a gamer, just want one for bw and sc 2. I am thinking aobut lenovo...reliability is important to me.

Neither neither neither neither.

Alienware has had decently priced PC's in the past, but for the most part they charge too much. Cyberpower, ibuypower, and all of the sites with that cheesy layout are 100% scams, and all of them have the same core owners, running from different locations. Do NOT buy from them, or you will regret it.

I've found much worse review columns where hundreds of people slam the sites, but can't find 'em now. Here's a decent example, though:

http://forums.pcworld.com/message/127452

-- "The computer never worked at all period. Their tech support and customer service were virtually useless."

-- "Ordered a very high end system in January of 2007 ($1700- no monitor) and have had nothing but problems since. Showed up with major restart problems, cycling without starting up, etc. I have sent it back to them 3 times for repairs with zero success."

etc


ok thanks. I am not good enough to build one myself; would you suggest HP?
GO Husky!!
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51497 Posts
August 02 2009 05:13 GMT
#404
On August 01 2009 23:17 Klapdout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2009 22:12 GTR wrote:
Hmm, I think I should still get it.
Apparently, I can upgrade my CPU to a P/T series with more cache (3/6MB L2 Cache) in the future (if I have the money) if SC2 doesn't run well.

Worth it then?
(This is by looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors#Dual-Core_Notebook_processors), the socket in my laptop will be a Socket P.



Yea that would solve any potential problems, I'd go for it then. Its considerably cheaper than the rest of the notebooks. There is still no guarantee what SC2 will perform like, you may end up being fine with the t4200, and save yourself a few hundred bones.


Hmm, well the thing is, I have absolutely NO CLUE where to find notebook CPU's as well as how/what one to upgrade to (like I can't go straight to a P series etc or w/e).

Any help that anyone can provide, possibly?
Commentator
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
August 02 2009 05:14 GMT
#405
On August 02 2009 03:09 ghermination wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2009 21:06 bLasse wrote:
Do you think this will run SC2 at 1024x768 resolution max setting w/ shadow off possibly..

E6750@2.67ghz
GTS 250 512mb
3gb ram


thanks



Yeah, that looks great, the gts 250 is just a rebranded 9800GT, so it will run it fine.

the gts250 is a rebranded 9800gtx+

big difference
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
MindlessTeam
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4 Posts
August 02 2009 06:02 GMT
#406
AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile 1.61ghz
896MB ram
128mb video card of some sort.
xmShake
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1100 Posts
August 02 2009 07:29 GMT
#407
On August 02 2009 14:13 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2009 23:17 Klapdout wrote:
On August 01 2009 22:12 GTR wrote:
Hmm, I think I should still get it.
Apparently, I can upgrade my CPU to a P/T series with more cache (3/6MB L2 Cache) in the future (if I have the money) if SC2 doesn't run well.

Worth it then?
(This is by looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors#Dual-Core_Notebook_processors), the socket in my laptop will be a Socket P.



Yea that would solve any potential problems, I'd go for it then. Its considerably cheaper than the rest of the notebooks. There is still no guarantee what SC2 will perform like, you may end up being fine with the t4200, and save yourself a few hundred bones.


Hmm, well the thing is, I have absolutely NO CLUE where to find notebook CPU's as well as how/what one to upgrade to (like I can't go straight to a P series etc or w/e).

Any help that anyone can provide, possibly?

Don't know about Australia specifically but any major Computer Hardware E-Tailer should carry mobile processors. Amazon carries them too.

Here's some guide I googled on replacing Laptop CPUs. Just make sure your model doesn't sodder your cpu directly to the motherboard.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/148910/replace_your_laptops_cpu.html
Klapdout
Profile Joined August 2007
United States282 Posts
August 02 2009 07:38 GMT
#408
On August 02 2009 16:29 xmShake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2009 14:13 GTR wrote:
On August 01 2009 23:17 Klapdout wrote:
On August 01 2009 22:12 GTR wrote:
Hmm, I think I should still get it.
Apparently, I can upgrade my CPU to a P/T series with more cache (3/6MB L2 Cache) in the future (if I have the money) if SC2 doesn't run well.

Worth it then?
(This is by looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors#Dual-Core_Notebook_processors), the socket in my laptop will be a Socket P.



Yea that would solve any potential problems, I'd go for it then. Its considerably cheaper than the rest of the notebooks. There is still no guarantee what SC2 will perform like, you may end up being fine with the t4200, and save yourself a few hundred bones.


Hmm, well the thing is, I have absolutely NO CLUE where to find notebook CPU's as well as how/what one to upgrade to (like I can't go straight to a P series etc or w/e).

Any help that anyone can provide, possibly?

Don't know about Australia specifically but any major Computer Hardware E-Tailer should carry mobile processors. Amazon carries them too.

Here's some guide I googled on replacing Laptop CPUs. Just make sure your model doesn't sodder your cpu directly to the motherboard.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/148910/replace_your_laptops_cpu.html


Pretty much this

Perhaps you could contact HP/Compaq to see if that model's cpu has been soldered, or is upgradable?

As far as which proccessor specifically you can upgrade to, you need to keep the same TDP, FSB, and socket

all of these will work
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010340759 1686643088&name=800MHz&SpeTabStoreType=1


Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
August 02 2009 09:28 GMT
#409
On August 02 2009 08:29 sudo.era wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2009 05:28 gloryofgreece wrote:
Would you guys recommend Cyberpower pc or alienware?

I am not really a gamer, just want one for bw and sc 2. I am thinking aobut lenovo...reliability is important to me.

Neither neither neither neither.

Alienware has had decently priced PC's in the past, but for the most part they charge too much. Cyberpower, ibuypower, and all of the sites with that cheesy layout are 100% scams, and all of them have the same core owners, running from different locations. Do NOT buy from them, or you will regret it.

I've found much worse review columns where hundreds of people slam the sites, but can't find 'em now. Here's a decent example, though:

http://forums.pcworld.com/message/127452

-- "The computer never worked at all period. Their tech support and customer service were virtually useless."

-- "Ordered a very high end system in January of 2007 ($1700- no monitor) and have had nothing but problems since. Showed up with major restart problems, cycling without starting up, etc. I have sent it back to them 3 times for repairs with zero success."

etc


I've bought two computers from Ibuypower. One a gaming laptop and one a gaming desktop. Both tailored for my needs. Both arrived immaculate and worked perfectly. I've had the laptop for almost 2 years now and it works wonderfully still. It wasn't that expensive either and for what I could have priced it with newegg I got it about the same price.

For the desktop, I love it. I could have built it cheaper myself, but I'm lazy. I recommend Ibuypower. Also, Best Buy, Wal-mart, etc. carry Ibuypower also, but I recommend using their site as you can custom tailor what you want. Not everyone who can build computers wants to.
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
Neo27
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States154 Posts
August 02 2009 11:47 GMT
#410
On August 02 2009 07:25 VorcePA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2009 03:10 ghermination wrote:
On August 02 2009 03:03 EximoSua wrote:
I got ignored.

What site would you guys recommend for building your own system?


Sorry. Newegg (www.newegg.com) is perfect for that, i do it out of boredom all the time.


This. I used NewEgg to build my entire machine.

Great selection, cheap prices, accurate and fast delivery every time.


I third this. While I've done business with other online vendors over the years, I too have found Newegg to be the best overall, with great prices, product selection, and the best customer support. No-hassle returns, be it that your purchase was defective or you've ordered the wrong type memory, they take care of you.

Though you can sometimes find cheaper stuff by using pricewatch.com, it's a safer bet overall to buy from the Egg.
"I was born too damn early! Where were these games when I was a kid?" - Angry Video Game Nerd
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
August 02 2009 17:42 GMT
#411
On August 02 2009 14:14 mahnini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2009 03:09 ghermination wrote:
On August 01 2009 21:06 bLasse wrote:
Do you think this will run SC2 at 1024x768 resolution max setting w/ shadow off possibly..

E6750@2.67ghz
GTS 250 512mb
3gb ram


thanks



Yeah, that looks great, the gts 250 is just a rebranded 9800GT, so it will run it fine.

the gts250 is a rebranded 9800gtx+

big difference


wut. So you're saying that the 250gts is G92 like the 9800gtx+ and the 8800gts? really? I didn't know that @_@
U Gotta Skate.
Raydog
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States632 Posts
August 02 2009 21:30 GMT
#412
Alienware is by far the WORST computers my family has purchased. We have 3 in our family, each one crashing after just 2 years. They are loud, run extremely hot, and the cases give off no cooling. What good is water cooling if the water inside is boiling hot?
Shew
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-03 01:03:06
August 03 2009 00:51 GMT
#413
I have a late 2007 macbook:

2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo
2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM

Intel GMA X3100:
Chipset Model: GMA X3100
Type: Display
Bus: Built-In
VRAM (Total): 144 MB
Vendor: Intel (0x8086)
Device ID: 0x2a02
Revision ID: 0x0003


Obviously, this will barely run SC2 if at all on decent settings. But, since I'm an industrial designer and a user-friendy Nazi, I'll probably be getting a Mac again for my next comp. My question is, how do the video cards compare between say a Macbook Pro and a Mac Pro?

I want to get a MacBook Pro next for the portability (comes in handy for school and freelance design work), but I also need a video card that can handle 3D modeling programs (Rhino, Alias, Solidworks, Hypershot) and Starcraft 2.

MacBook Pro, 15", Aluminum
2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M + 9600M GT with 512MB
4GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

(I'm going to get a WACOM Cintiq 21ux for the monitor)


^ Is this an integrated vid card? Is it worth it, or should I wait until I can afford a Mac Pro?

EDIT: Mac Pro Vid Card Options:
NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB
ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB ($200 more)


Raydog
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States632 Posts
August 03 2009 01:32 GMT
#414
^^ honestly for gaming, if you only want a mac then go with the Mac Pro. I played wc3 on my macbook pro (with a usb keyboard and mouse of course) and the fan was constantly at max speed. It got so annoying, especially because I had a faulty fan that made an annoying buzzing sound when it sped up. Granted you probably won't get one, but I'm sure you wouldn't want a machine that is a small 15" screen that is constantly being ran at its full speed just for a game.

Since then i've built my own machine (which I recommend everyone now). And I must say it is the best 1200 bucks I've ever spent. I could have saved some money, but I wanted to go all out with my keyboard n mouse n stuff

Besides, when sc2 comes out i'm sure there will be 3rd party programs for it (like iccup, wc3ri, replay things etc) that are only for windows. And I don't see how Windows (especially vista/7) isn't user-friendly.
Shew
Alphonsse
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States518 Posts
August 03 2009 03:56 GMT
#415
XP
Pentium D 2.8 ghz
3 GB DDR2 (not sure of the speed)
nvidia 7900 gs

I have a nvidia 9800 gt coming in the mail.. I'm just wondering how my cpu will fare, I know pentium Ds are a lot slower than core 2s.
Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
August 03 2009 04:10 GMT
#416
For everyone looking to upgrade their video cards. If you can afford to wait until Q4 2009 or Q1 2010 and can bank 400-500$ in that time please wait. The new ATI 5000 series and nVidia 300 series will be coming out. They are a massiveupgrade over their predecessors. With a 35NM die and chip and boasting impressive gains it's a no brainer.

For one, I'm waiting for the new nVidia 300 series and getting SLI. I should be good to go for the next 3-4+ years with those bad boys. (Going to need to change to water cooling though.)
"It is easy to be conspicuously 'compassionate' if others are being forced to pay the cost." -- Murray N. Rothbard -- Rand Paul 2010 -- Ron Paul 2012
gloryofgreece
Profile Joined December 2008
United States29 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-03 22:10:04
August 03 2009 20:54 GMT
#417
Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Quad processor Q8200 [2.33GHz, 4MB L2, 1333MHz FSB] 6GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM
640GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics card 1GB ATI Radeon HD 4650 [DVI, HDMI, VGA]
Monitor HP 2159m 21.5-inch 16 Full HD Widescreen Monitor

that comes out to around 900... is that a good deal?

it is on hp.com btw.

or should i wait ...
GO Husky!!
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
August 03 2009 21:14 GMT
#418
Thanks for your advice Raydog, but does anyone have specific advice on the video cards I posted for the MBP/ Mac Pro specs?
gloryofgreece
Profile Joined December 2008
United States29 Posts
August 03 2009 22:08 GMT
#419
On August 04 2009 06:14 0neder wrote:
Thanks for your advice Raydog, but does anyone have specific advice on the video cards I posted for the MBP/ Mac Pro specs?





I am a rabid mac fan, but i think mac pro cost way too much to be get it to state of the art. Plus blue ray is not coming soon.

I am gonna get a pc just for sc2 @@ everything else an imac

GO Husky!!
G0dly
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States450 Posts
August 03 2009 22:32 GMT
#420
will a Lenovo t500 will run SC2 well?

2.3 ghz core 2 duo cpu, 2 gigs ram, and ATI mobility radeon 3650?
The Emperor - The Genius - The Cheater - The Maestro
Prev 1 19 20 21 22 23 111 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Online Event
18:00
Coaches Corner 2v2
RotterdaM492
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Clem_sc2 787
RotterdaM 492
IndyStarCraft 171
SteadfastSC 117
BRAT_OK 78
UpATreeSC 52
ROOTCatZ 25
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 25494
Dewaltoss 109
yabsab 31
scan(afreeca) 27
Dota 2
Gorgc7447
qojqva2586
Counter-Strike
fl0m1227
pashabiceps749
allub142
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor353
Other Games
tarik_tv8291
gofns3830
Grubby2672
B2W.Neo731
Beastyqt428
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream13131
Other Games
EGCTV982
gamesdonequick600
StarCraft 2
angryscii 15
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta19
• Reevou 8
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 44
• HerbMon 17
• FirePhoenix12
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler86
Other Games
• imaqtpie1223
• WagamamaTV403
• Shiphtur202
Upcoming Events
BSL 21
17m
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
17m
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
3h 17m
Wardi Open
16h 17m
Monday Night Weeklies
21h 17m
Replay Cast
1d 3h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 16h
BSL: GosuLeague
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
BSL: GosuLeague
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
IPSL
5 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
RSL Revival
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.