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First, the no-call on Kobe's elbow was NOT blatant or "obviously foul."
He was backing down on Pietrus and Nelson was the one running into Kobe's space for double team. Of course this doesn't ask for a elbow in the face, but it wasn't like Kobe elbowed Pietrus who was right in front of him, but Nelson who came from behind. This was IFFY and refs are supposed to let players play through most iffy fouls in a critical time during playoffs. Either way the no-call was at the least understandable, so stop with immature generalization.
And of course Dwight is to blame some what. He needed to make 1 out of 2 and he missed both. Obviously it doesn't mean he's the only one to blame, but he was clearly shooting very poorly tonight.
Grow some balls and think before you keep generalizing everything.
This game was not won by refs. It was Lakers' defense and role players' big shots that won the game.
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On June 12 2009 13:25 SaveYourSavior wrote:
I'm a Lakers fan and a Fisher fanboy but when I see blatant, offensive fouls not being called it really kills the game to me.
Very empty victory for the Lakers (in my opinion)
Funniest quote of the thread. I'm sure Kobe will cry himself to sleep over that empty victory while sucking his thumb clutching the NBA championship trophy.
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On June 12 2009 13:42 Kingkosi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2009 13:25 Jibba wrote:
That was definitely a foul by Kobe, but that "fouls" by Fisher and Bynum at the other end were equally laughable as that no call.
I'm pretty sure the Magic are on the verge of dethroning the Mavs as the biggest chokers in the playoffs. I wouldn't say that only because Dirk got MVP prior and the mavs where considered favorites to win the championship that year if I recall. If they lose hopefully they can take the off season to prepare harder and get back to the final game again because lets be honest when the playoffs first started not a lot of people predicted they'd get this far or even dethrone the Cleveland Lebrons who's collapse this post season could be considered Mavs like but I get your point.
The Cleveland series could've been over in 4 games if the Magic weren't so good at consistently blowing double digit leads. I don't just mean the Finals. If I were a Magic fan, I'd be on the verge of a heart attack any time my team has the lead with more than :01 left.
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Magics didn't give anything away, they played as good as they possibly could, they play good defense on Kobe during the 2nd half too. it was Laker's defense that did the job. Magics got pwned so Bad in the 3rd, they scored like 5 points half way through the 3rd. They didn't choke, they got pwned by better Defense. If you were actually paying attention, you will notice how much harder LA tie up their D, it was ridiculous Paul jumping on every three point attempts, Kobe shutting down Lewis, Rotation rotation rotation, communication was perfect too, on top of that the Refs just let them play and not calling cheap faults, they decided that they are not going to let the game decide by ref calling faults.
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The role players had big goose eggs except for walton. Or do you mean fisher?
The fouls not nearly as bad as kobe unintentionally atomic elbowing brent barry.
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obviously by role players' shots, i mean Ariza and Fisher in the 2nd half.
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yeah, and what was up with pietrus chucking up that shot at the end of reg. when he had a wide open lewis in the corner, who makes his fucking living off those shots. god i hate this magic team
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On June 12 2009 14:07 rei wrote:
Magics didn't give anything away, they played as good as they possibly could, they play good defense on Kobe during the 2nd half too. it was Laker's defense that did the job. Magics got pwned so Bad in the 3rd, they scored like 5 points half way through the 3rd. They didn't choke, they got pwned by better Defense. If you were actually paying attention, you will notice how much harder LA tie up their D, it was ridiculous Paul jumping on every three point attempts, Kobe shutting down Lewis, Rotation rotation rotation, communication was perfect too, on top of that the Refs just let them play and not calling cheap faults, they decided that they are not going to let the game decide by ref calling faults.
Dwight sets up two plays and makes two baskets in a short stretch, and then how long did it take for the Magic to find him again? Pietrus, Turk and Lewis keep missing him open deep in the paint with 1 guy on him. His offensive game is not that great, but if someone gets a roll you keep feeding them. Even if he's not making shots, Dwight was making great passes in the first half.
BTW, that time Farmar stripped and fouled Dwight on a dunk is the problem I was talking about. Farmar is 6'2" 180lbs. This isn't about finesse or touch, that should've been a dunk and1 off of pure power.
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Howard needs to work on his hookshots, the magics doesn't feel confidence in giving him the ball down the stretch and in clutch situations because of his unpolished post game and his poor free throw. On top of that they don't have someone they can rely on to create oppoturnities like Kobe. I feel that the magics did the right thing, their backup point guard was doing a good job at penetrating + ditch on target, they just having a hard time getting open because of good defense, all their shots became contested because of LA's good correlation in rotation of their defense.
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On June 12 2009 14:31 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2009 14:07 rei wrote:
Magics didn't give anything away, they played as good as they possibly could, they play good defense on Kobe during the 2nd half too. it was Laker's defense that did the job. Magics got pwned so Bad in the 3rd, they scored like 5 points half way through the 3rd. They didn't choke, they got pwned by better Defense. If you were actually paying attention, you will notice how much harder LA tie up their D, it was ridiculous Paul jumping on every three point attempts, Kobe shutting down Lewis, Rotation rotation rotation, communication was perfect too, on top of that the Refs just let them play and not calling cheap faults, they decided that they are not going to let the game decide by ref calling faults.
Dwight sets up two plays and makes two baskets in a short stretch, and then how long did it take for the Magic to find him again? Pietrus, Turk and Lewis keep missing him open deep in the paint with 1 guy on him. His offensive game is not that great, but if someone gets a roll you keep feeding them. Even if he's not making shots, Dwight was making great passes in the first half. BTW, that time Farmar stripped and fouled Dwight on a dunk is the problem I was talking about. Farmar is 6'2" 180lbs. This isn't about finesse or touch, that should've been a dunk and1 off of pure power.
no way was dwight gonna dunk that. farmar is 180lbs but it's not like just lifting 180lbs, farmar is actually putting force into holding and wrapping dwight's arm down.
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On June 12 2009 14:39 rei wrote:
Howard needs to work on his hookshots, the magics doesn't feel confidence in giving him the ball down the stretch and in clutch situations because of his unpolished post game and his poor free throw. On top of that they don't have someone they can rely on to create oppoturnities like Kobe. I feel that the magics did the right thing, their backup point guard was doing a good job at penetrating + ditch on target, they just having a hard time getting open because of good defense, all their shots became contested because of LA's good correlation in rotation of their defense.
They never let him get going. He started to warm up and then they took the ball away for a quarter, and even without shots going in, he was making good decisions with the ball. Not to mention the Lakers bigs were in major foul trouble by the end of the first quarter. Even with Howard missing FTs, they should've been using him to keep Gasol out of the game.
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On June 12 2009 14:49 CSN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2009 14:31 Jibba wrote:On June 12 2009 14:07 rei wrote:
Magics didn't give anything away, they played as good as they possibly could, they play good defense on Kobe during the 2nd half too. it was Laker's defense that did the job. Magics got pwned so Bad in the 3rd, they scored like 5 points half way through the 3rd. They didn't choke, they got pwned by better Defense. If you were actually paying attention, you will notice how much harder LA tie up their D, it was ridiculous Paul jumping on every three point attempts, Kobe shutting down Lewis, Rotation rotation rotation, communication was perfect too, on top of that the Refs just let them play and not calling cheap faults, they decided that they are not going to let the game decide by ref calling faults.
Dwight sets up two plays and makes two baskets in a short stretch, and then how long did it take for the Magic to find him again? Pietrus, Turk and Lewis keep missing him open deep in the paint with 1 guy on him. His offensive game is not that great, but if someone gets a roll you keep feeding them. Even if he's not making shots, Dwight was making great passes in the first half. BTW, that time Farmar stripped and fouled Dwight on a dunk is the problem I was talking about. Farmar is 6'2" 180lbs. This isn't about finesse or touch, that should've been a dunk and1 off of pure power. no way was dwight gonna dunk that. farmar is 180lbs but it's not like just lifting 180lbs, farmar is actually putting force into holding and wrapping dwight's arm down.
Depends on how you hold the ball. Ben Wallace on his toothpick legs could've finished that.
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On June 12 2009 15:00 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2009 14:39 rei wrote:
Howard needs to work on his hookshots, the magics doesn't feel confidence in giving him the ball down the stretch and in clutch situations because of his unpolished post game and his poor free throw. On top of that they don't have someone they can rely on to create oppoturnities like Kobe. I feel that the magics did the right thing, their backup point guard was doing a good job at penetrating + ditch on target, they just having a hard time getting open because of good defense, all their shots became contested because of LA's good correlation in rotation of their defense.
They never let him get going. He started to warm up and then they took the ball away for a quarter, and even without shots going in, he was making good decisions with the ball. Not to mention the Lakers bigs were in major foul trouble by the end of the first quarter. Even with Howard missing FTs, they should've been using him to keep Gasol out of the game.
i agree with this. def should of kept giving it to howard to put all the bigs into further foul trouble and then make the game harder for the lakers down the road.
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I agree with you that they should have used him as #1 option, in the same time i understand why coach don't go with him, Not just his free throws, his made a lot of turn overs too, the risk is too high to put the entire offensive on Howard's shoulder alone. Howard himself have voice his frustration about not getting the ball enough, and he also understand why he's not getting the ball, simply he just needs to get better. This also teach him the short coming of his games, he will be strong next season. gogogo 30pts/20boards per game.
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The Magic gave this one away with the missed FTs and the poor decisions at the end of the game. Their inability to feed DHow on the MANY times he had a single defender sealed only a foot way from the basket, their inability to execute and get a good shot in end-game situations (Pietrus should never have taken that shot at the end of regulation with Shard open in the corner and Howard on Kobe in the paint), and their poor decision-making (their defense when up by 3 at the end of regulation that allowed Fish to just pull into a rhythm 3), were all inexcusable. But, seriously, just one FT out of the many they got at the end of the game, and this series would be tied up right now. The Magic deserved to lose this game, and the Lakers deserved to win it by their refusal to give up and their ability to take advantage of every opening Orlando gave them in a game that started so poorly for them.
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On June 12 2009 15:20 rei wrote:
I agree with you that they should have used him as #1 option, in the same time i understand why coach don't go with him, Not just his free throws, his made a lot of turn overs too, the risk is too high to put the entire offensive on Howard's shoulder alone. Howard himself have voice his frustration about not getting the ball enough, and he also understand why he's not getting the ball, simply he just needs to get better. This also teach him the short coming of his games, he will be strong next season. gogogo 30pts/20boards per game.
lol the point of feeding howard the ball isnt to put the offense on him, it's to take the lakers' big men out of the game with foul trouble which would make it easier on him for rebounding, scoring, and playing defense. Obviously no one expects him to plow through on every possession, but he should at least get 1 touch on every magic possession and kick out as necessary. i'd wish you stop saying he needs to get better like it's a solution to winning the game. Let's be realistic here, he ain't gonna get better overnight. He knows he needs to work on his post game that's why he has patrick ewing, he used his baby hook shot tonight fairly well, and he's always working to get his FT better. Watch the game before it starts and the start of the 3rd quarter, you see him at the FT line practicing his shot.
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FTA in 4th Quarter and OT: LAL - 2 (from Pietrus flagrant) ORL - 19
The Magic were being more aggressive in attacking the paint and drawing fouls, but zero FTs for the Lakers after the 3rd (the flagrant FTs by Gasol don't count)? It's a moot point since the Lakers won, but I'd just like to point out that interesting statistic for anyone who thinks the refs were on the Lakers' side in this game.
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Yea wtf I had 50 bucks on Magic winning this game. Fuck I guess I'll have to double or nothing next game.
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On June 12 2009 15:48 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
FTA in 4th Quarter and OT: LAL - 2 (from Pietrus flagrant) ORL - 19
The Magic were being more aggressive in attacking the paint and drawing fouls, but zero FTs for the Lakers after the 3rd (the flagrant FTs by Gasol don't count)? It's a moot point since the Lakers won, but I'd just like to point out that interesting statistic for anyone who thinks the refs were on the Lakers' side in this game.
yeah, esp since some people would be like "OMG refs rigging game for Lakers, no foul call on kobe!!!" look at the whole game and not just one call.
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