EPTICC Who Is Who Season 8 - Page 65
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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iSCOUT4u
United States327 Posts
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integral
United States3161 Posts
On April 02 2009 21:17 IdrA wrote: the only way my post would discredit f91 is if people believe that playing risky is somehow worth less merit than being good. f91's style is not debateable, and its beyond my control how people view that style. You have to understand how people see it though, right? You lose a best of 7 to him in a very public way only to later say that the builds he uses are inferior to standardized builds that win vs lower-level players due to the other players' unfamiliarity with them. There is a logic here that I understand, since you also have to consider skill disparity and other factors, but from the angle of "win at all costs" rather than "attempt to play at the highest level possible", it doesn't make any sense. "Why is F91 an inferior player because he wins?" people ask, while accusing you of attempting to rationalize your losses. While I disagree with this angle and its conclusions, I do see where these people are coming from. It might be useful to briefly consider a chess analogy here -- certain clever openings might bait an unsuspecting opponent into losing, even though that same opening would fail miserably vs anyone who knew how to exploit that opening's critical weakness. Of course starcraft and chess metagames are entirely different, so here the usefulness of the analogy ends, but losing to unusual strategies while attempting to master standard play isn't uncommon or even unexpected. F91 isn't a bad player by any means, he certainly won vs idra and all those koreans on iccup, but everything else being equal I don't see him beating the standard play of a higher-caliber player than idra in an extended series. I could be wrong and F91 has developed some non-standard build-orders that are actually stronger than the standard ones, but somehow I sincerely doubt it. Most of the discussion of this matchup is due to the ethnicity and personality of the player who lost, but dissociated entirely from this context I don't even think there would be much to discuss other than the metagame of standard vs. nonstandard in a series and how different players handle it. tl;dr I agree with idra that F91 does well on ICCUP at least in part for the same reason idra lost, though that's hardly the only factor involved. edited for clarity, need sleep | ||
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Oddysay
Canada597 Posts
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
Oddysay and the like, just get the fuck out. t_T. | ||
vGl-CoW
Belgium8305 Posts
a fat one | ||
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Naib
Hungary4952 Posts
 Naib[AKUTA] - Naib on TL.net | ||
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Pioneer
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Naib
Hungary4952 Posts
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renchak
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
only good croatian player and he's on Naw. | ||
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TearsOfTheSun
Canada995 Posts
) even if it is. still <3 for uhttp://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/yan.html | ||
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LuMiX
China5758 Posts
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On April 03 2009 04:43 arb wrote: http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/187kor.html = Ptak only good croatian player and he's on Naw. Its sad that right now he's only B-. He better hit A- by the end of the season, atleast. represent croatia :D | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
haha 23 games in a row vs the same person | ||
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
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kartoffel
Germany38 Posts
On April 03 2009 18:43 purgerinho wrote: is it possible to have some topic with reps of this pro/semipro/A+ amateurs form Korea on iccup? it is very hard to look for them, specially here where you constantly argue about something irrelevant on dozen of pages.. indeed. an autoreplay folder from any a-/a korean would be uberawesome. like 200-400 reps, including also some nice cheeses mostly on maps like medusa/dest. go get them! | ||
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Pads
England3228 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On April 04 2009 00:53 Pads wrote: anyone know who asl-regamer is? usa flag, insane stats, any ideas anyone? lzgamer? | ||
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