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On April 01 2009 16:37 benjammin wrote:
not trying to troll here at all, but assuming badawi is f91 and not a shared account.. f91 is then A- on iccup playing mostly koreans, he's beaten jf idra and nony in liquibition but no pro team even notices him? i dunno, maybe that's not his goal but he certainly has a pretty damn fine resume right now especially with so many teams looking for zergs
i don't really know how the rookie draft vs iccup ranking works, but i'd bet there are players below his ranking that got picked
i was going to say maybe his style is too non-standard to make it in korea, but he seems to be doing alright on iccup
can idra or artosis or someone shed some insight into how he would stack up against the rookies?
also seoulmilk is 72-2 now what the hellll
He's married and a paid progamer in China. Noone in their right mind would abandon that for cleaning toilets and being one of the dozen people who are trying to make themselves noticeable...if not for prestige. And as a married person I'm sure he cares for the family's welfare a lot more than prestige, so that's that.
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Iran17695 Posts
yep... F91 is probably making some pretty decent money and is really famous in China being probably the best player in the country. In Korea he'd be getting 0 money, not even getting to play in any official games.
big decision... look at Nony or Draco even (Draco especially). He made more money from TSL and other stuff after he even left Korea than he did while he was in Korea... it's honestly a waste of time (aside from the experience of a different culture I guess) from an economic standpoint to be in Korea. When you're in Korea it's a lot harder to play in international stuff because of timezones, and the money-making potential is pretty much 0 over there. Might as well be outside Korea winning a couple hundred bucks here or there or getting paid $50/month by defeat than being in Korea getting absolutely nothing.
UNLESS of course you're just REALLY passionate about the game (like Idra seems to be), then being in Korea is a great idea and it's fucking cool to be living that dream... but a lot of people just play for money, in which case Korea is not worth it.
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ahh, didn't realize f91 was married i thought he was younger, that sort of puts the clamp on it
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A couple of people earlier in the thread suggested it was Bisu - would be nice to get it confirmed.
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Katy_Perry = Pads, all me to TL members plz
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I think Katy_Perry is a hacked account? :s
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I think its a joke from ICCup or just a server mistake.
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[QUOTE]On April 01 2009 16:57 Naib wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 01 2009 16:37 benjammin wrote:
not trying to troll here at all, but assuming badawi is f91 and not a shared account.. f91 is then A- on iccup playing mostly koreans, he's beaten jf idra and nony in liquibition but no pro team even notices him? i dunno, maybe that's not his goal but he certainly has a pretty damn fine resume right now especially with so many teams looking for zergs
i don't really know how the rookie draft vs iccup ranking works, but i'd bet there are players below his ranking that got picked
i was going to say maybe his style is too non-standard to make it in korea, but he seems to be doing alright on iccup
can idra or artosis or someone shed some insight into how he would stack up against the rookies?
also seoulmilk is 72-2 now what the hellll[/QUOTE]
u overrate F91 and underrate korean scene too much. B teamers can beat F91 on regular basis. Staying in china and be the best with family much better.
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[R1] is probably still qoo)kuni who used to be a progamer on KOR team (i think)
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On April 01 2009 23:22 Medix wrote:
I think Katy_Perry is a hacked account? :s
lol it's just a fools joke
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Ares[Effort]
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Zerg[KaL] @ iCCup = SKT1_Zerg[KaL] I was right!!
Confirmed by roMAD.
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On April 02 2009 00:59 Baddieko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2009 16:57 Naib wrote:On April 01 2009 16:37 benjammin wrote:
not trying to troll here at all, but assuming badawi is f91 and not a shared account.. f91 is then A- on iccup playing mostly koreans, he's beaten jf idra and nony in liquibition but no pro team even notices him? i dunno, maybe that's not his goal but he certainly has a pretty damn fine resume right now especially with so many teams looking for zergs
i don't really know how the rookie draft vs iccup ranking works, but i'd bet there are players below his ranking that got picked
i was going to say maybe his style is too non-standard to make it in korea, but he seems to be doing alright on iccup
can idra or artosis or someone shed some insight into how he would stack up against the rookies?
also seoulmilk is 72-2 now what the hellll u overrate F91 and underrate korean scene too much. B teamers can beat F91 on regular basis. Staying in china and be the best with family much better. ya
he does well on iccup for the same reason he beat me, theyre all used to playing other koreans 24/7 where its either allin cheese to go up ranks fast or standard straight up play. you get someone who does risky shit that doesnt fall into either category and they freak out.
and badawi isnt entirely f91, it was a sub 200 apm newbie when i played him
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"someone who does risky shit that doesnt fall into either category" is what i call a good player and i cant believe you just categorized koreans into either cheesing or playing standard.. thats so not true and you know it.. (hopefully) otherwise the game wouldnt be that great.
There are so many possibilities in starcraft that you have to exploit every single of your opponent's weaknesses etc.. that also means every one of us has a unique gamestyle/timing/etc.. and a unique way to adjust our "tricks"/solutions/decision making to the opponent's style.
Plus he beat you in a bo5 ? 7 ? if you were better than him you woulda outplayed him and won right after losing game 1.. just admit it and move on man he's better than you and could read you like a readme.txt is the reason he beat you.
And i insist.. starcraft is not just "either cheesing or playing standard", oh wait you're the one in korea i shouldnt be telling you all this..
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On April 02 2009 11:36 ErOs_LeO wrote:
"someone who does risky shit that doesnt fall into either category" is what i call a good player and i cant believe you just categorized koreans into either cheesing or playing standard.. thats so not true and you know it.. (hopefully) otherwise the game wouldnt be that great.
There are so many possibilities in starcraft that you have to exploit every single of your opponent's weaknesses etc.. that also means every one of us has a unique gamestyle/timing/etc.. and a unique way to adjust our "tricks"/solutions/decision making to the opponent's style.
Plus he beat you in a bo5 ? 7 ? if you were better than him you woulda outplayed him and won right after losing game 1.. just admit it and move on man he's better than you and could read you like a readme.txt is the reason he beat you.
And i insist.. starcraft is not just "either cheesing or playing standard", oh wait you're the one in korea i shouldnt be telling you all this..
are you dumb or something
koreans at that rank are either playing it for practice, if theyre courage/semi pro, or trying to get up ranks fast. that means either quick cheeses for fast games, or standard play. when practicing they play standard to work on game management, the only time they practice non standard stuff is when theyre preparing weird builds specifically for matches, and koreans never ever play like f91 even when theyre doing that because the rush builds they use are generally well planned and efficient cuz they practice them over and over and try to work out the kinks, whereas he just does whateverthefuck he feels like.
and i didnt say anything insulting about him, just described his style and why it works well vs low level koreans.
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On April 02 2009 13:52 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2009 11:36 ErOs_LeO wrote:
"someone who does risky shit that doesnt fall into either category" is what i call a good player and i cant believe you just categorized koreans into either cheesing or playing standard.. thats so not true and you know it.. (hopefully) otherwise the game wouldnt be that great.
There are so many possibilities in starcraft that you have to exploit every single of your opponent's weaknesses etc.. that also means every one of us has a unique gamestyle/timing/etc.. and a unique way to adjust our "tricks"/solutions/decision making to the opponent's style.
Plus he beat you in a bo5 ? 7 ? if you were better than him you woulda outplayed him and won right after losing game 1.. just admit it and move on man he's better than you and could read you like a readme.txt is the reason he beat you.
And i insist.. starcraft is not just "either cheesing or playing standard", oh wait you're the one in korea i shouldnt be telling you all this.. are you dumb or something koreans at that rank are either playing it for practice, if theyre courage/semi pro, or trying to get up ranks fast. that means either quick cheeses for fast games, or standard play. when practicing they play standard to work on game management, the only time they practice non standard stuff is when theyre preparing weird builds specifically for matches, and koreans never ever play like f91 even when theyre doing that because the rush builds they use are generally well planned and efficient cuz they practice them over and over and try to work out the kinks, whereas he just does whateverthefuck he feels like. and i didnt say anything insulting about him, just described his style and why it works well vs low level koreans.
IdrA the flamer should calm down and stop nerdraging at the cpu imo. Just take it easy. Not all know that blalba. I can go on forever but please - -v calm down and keep TL mannered in my oppinion.
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On August 06 2005 12:18 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
And people need to stop telling me to calm down. What do u guys picture me doing? Sweating with a glass of vodka and a pistol hammering away at the keyboard? Im sitting here with a glass of water alt-tabbing from a enjoyable rep to here, having a leisure debate, is that ok? I had no idea i came off as such a angry ass poster. From here on i will flood my posts with cinnamon sugar and spice, as well as some other things that are nice.
JESUS loves u all!
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Obviously you're not in a sweat, nobody ever is. It doesn't mean you aren't angry. Nobody can call everyone else an idiot and stupid and ask if they're dumb in literally every single post without having some nerd rage.
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i doubt i call people idiots in more than half of my posts.
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On April 02 2009 09:00 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2009 00:59 Baddieko wrote:On April 01 2009 16:57 Naib wrote:On April 01 2009 16:37 benjammin wrote:
not trying to troll here at all, but assuming badawi is f91 and not a shared account.. f91 is then A- on iccup playing mostly koreans, he's beaten jf idra and nony in liquibition but no pro team even notices him? i dunno, maybe that's not his goal but he certainly has a pretty damn fine resume right now especially with so many teams looking for zergs
i don't really know how the rookie draft vs iccup ranking works, but i'd bet there are players below his ranking that got picked
i was going to say maybe his style is too non-standard to make it in korea, but he seems to be doing alright on iccup
can idra or artosis or someone shed some insight into how he would stack up against the rookies?
also seoulmilk is 72-2 now what the hellll u overrate F91 and underrate korean scene too much. B teamers can beat F91 on regular basis. Staying in china and be the best with family much better. ya
he does well on iccup for the same reason he beat me, theyre all used to playing other koreans 24/7 where its either allin cheese to go up ranks fast or standard straight up play. you get someone who does risky shit that doesnt fall into either category and they freak out. and badawi isnt entirely f91, it was a sub 200 apm newbie when i played him
Ok here is your post, read it loudly please and tell me you were not trying to lower F91's merit and to justify your loss at the same time? although this is not the point of my post because SO MANY people criticized you for this already..
But you're also saying that "doing risky shit that doesnt fall into either category" is actually not "playing standard"... no sir this is not true, you always have to take risks in 90% of sc games in order to upset your opponent's play whether that "risk" could be a drop or going mech or full hydras or fast b3 or WHATEVER.. F91 has an original gamestyle (which would obviously involve some "risky shit that doesnt fall into either category blabla" just like any top iccup zerg or good player)
That being said, i know that you are a great player etc.. but come on you gotta move on.. quit being a bm and calling those who disagree with you dumb/retards, i was only saying that F91 was better than you and could somehow easily read your predictable tvz.
On April 02 2009 11:46 littlechava wrote:
facepalm
sup man ? i seen you saying that all week long now, are you okay? Life treating you well?
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