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Before I begin this thread, I would like to say that I am a previous Lastshadow hater, however recently i saw him on iccup and begin to have a chat with him. During this conversation i realized that he is not as bad as he seems, and that i really want to understand what drives people to hate this kid so much. Additionally i would like to say that i am not some smurf or lastshadow bud that hes asked to write this, i am known as Fury to most people, and well i am not prominent in the foreign scene, i am atleast known to quite a few. Lastly i would like to say i hope people will actually read this not just say “lastshadow hax ez!” or whatever immature replies your conjuring up.
Why?
People “hate” lastshadow because of his map-rigging and other abuse scandals. While he has clearly admitted to map-rigging the scandal of abuse, the truth is unknown. Supposedely Kawaii has “fessed” up to however there is no solid proof that they cheated on ventrillo, however for argumental purpouses i will say that he did indeed cheat.
Even if he has cheated/abused, i feel there must be some other scource of great anger towards him. Testie HACKED. not cheated, not abused, HACKED. Im sure countless other top foreigners have hacked aswell. Testie is also a known and respected member of the community, even if he is going inactive. Quite obviously people are able to forgive. However people can’t seem to forgive lastshadow. I really do wonder why. He used to be bad manner, these days hes very good manner. I came at him insulting him, and he kept cool when i first talked to him. He has every reason to bm me, however he refrained and was nice. So why do you people hate him so much?
The Reaction
AoN.Chika, someone who has been helping the community by writing very nice interviews of foreigners interviewed lastshadow. I found it very interesting because that is a story i do believe many people feel very strongly about, and this to me really shows the true nature of why people hate lastshadow.
@ GG.Net http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/thread/300090
People did not respond kindly in any fashion really, however the thread has remained open, as a venue to post your opinions and overall was a relatively succesfull post by chika. Things were not so similiar at the other end of the foreign gaming spectrum.
@ TL.Net http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=79753
People hate lastshadow with a vengeance. I have always been under the impression that teamliquid is a fair and nice website, with nice coverage of all the starcraft scenes: foreign and korean. However an administrator for teamliquid DELETED the interview for absoloutly no reason. He said something along the lines of posting an interview of lastshadow just makes him even more satisified because its giving him attention or something. However as any type of publication informing the community of anything, it is always expected to give both sides of the story not just accept one as the truth and completely not shed any type of coverage at all, or even when someone posts an interview you deleted it! This sounds like the beginnings of propaganda to me.
Conclusion
Yes. Yes lastshadow abused/cheat, however never hacked. Why cant the community just accept that and move on. Not neccisarily become BFF’s for lyfe! with him, just stop hopping on the band wagon of hate and show some compassion. I think that maybe some of the hatred for him comes from the fact that they expect him to be a horrible gamer without abuse/cheats but in actuality hes actually a quite decent gamer and im 100% sure hes able to compete with div 1 foreigners. Not that he is in the category of people like iefnaij, white-ra, strelok etc. but he is still a formidable opponent.
Hopefully people will respond to this in a manner manner (pun intended). I fully understand that this will probably be deleted at TL.net, and i may even be banned (its posted at both gg.net and tl.net) but even so im willing to take the risk.
Thankyou for your time.
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I have always been under the impression that teamliquid is a fair and nice website.
Not our fault you're so deluded.
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the admins here just dont like him, and its their site and they will delete anything thats related to him, fair is not a issue here, the admins have said multiple times its their house and they can do what they want, so i dont think this will stay opened for long or produce any kind of discussion.
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
My reaction is analogous to what I would feel if a convicted criminal publicly stated
"Hey come on guys, what I did wasn't a big deal at all! give me a break will ya?"
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you mentioned Testie and him being respected, that took a loooong time for him to earn that. For most of the time he was legit after the hacking, people would treat him like trash, and after countless times of proving he didnt hack and was legitimately good, as well as not being the biggest raving cock around, peoples opinions changed.
LS in most posts, comes off as some egotistical douchbag, who also happens to have abused in the recent past, as such he is treated accordingly.
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I shouldve ssed that conversation we had a week ago. Priceless.
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CA10824 Posts
when LS starts producing results in offline tourneys, such as winning WCG USA then maybe people will respect him
until then, no.
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Omg pro interview, he kicked bisu's ass. haha. I love 15 years old.
What I most appreciate is the interviewer's total lack of critic judgement not even questioning any of the retarded bullshit the kid is throwing at him.
"My tougher opponent was boxer."
"OMFG YOU PLAYED BOXER FOR REALZ ?"
sad
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i am not expecting you guys to all the sudden love him, however it has been quite some time since he has abused and has done nothing to make u think he's abused. sure he's bm, aerials is bm too, so what? that doesn't really prove a point.
Hopefully it will stay alive longer than the 5 minutes im guessing it will take for someone to delete it.
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Are you Lastshadow?
someone check ips. i swear, lastshadow is basically some 13 year old who has like some mental illness because he acts like SC is his life.
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On December 21 2008 04:11 LosingID8 wrote:
when LS starts producing results in offline tourneys, such as winning WCG USA then maybe people will respect him
until then, no.
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On December 21 2008 04:11 LosingID8 wrote:
when LS starts producing results in offline tourneys, such as winning WCG USA then maybe people will respect him
until then, no.
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Kau
Canada3500 Posts
On December 21 2008 04:11 LosingID8 wrote:
when LS starts producing results in offline tourneys, such as winning WCG USA then maybe people will respect him
until then, no.
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On December 21 2008 04:16 clazziquai wrote:
Are you Lastshadow?
someone check ips. i swear, lastshadow is basically some 13 year old who has like some mental illness because he acts like SC is his life.
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His attitude and personality are pretty subpar. He constantly is whining about something. He has rigged maps MORE than once, and was caught more than once. Why would you do it again after being caught the first time? A little while ago he wrote some massive story about gg.net helping him get his girlfriend back, and in return he would help train someone ROFL. In that post alone, I quoted soo many lines that just proves how dumb, and immature he is. How can you have a conversation with someone when they spout shit like this?:
Im not the fucking popular kid who makes fun of lesser kids, I fucking CAME from the lesser kids, I wa HIGHLY unliked as a kid, fucking pale skin, bleach white hair, brown eyes, fucking disgusting, when I hit puberty and developed my dads traits, I got my dark blonde hair, my honey hazel eyes, and my toned body with italian-olive skin but still white, I became attractive and hot to any girl in my class."
2weeks later, I fell very very sickly ill with the Fits Disease, I was unable to stop itching and the pain/feelings were unbearable, I was bed bound, many may remember this in my ICC period under 'BlackhOle' as many noted my 10game loss streak when I fell ill.
Now that might be enough to anger an average kid but I suffer from depression/anxiety/chronic chaos disorder. I was even more enraged, she turned off her phone. I decided to scare her, have friends from all over the world call her phone and say shit
Now, being a double-blackbelt and weighing 155 with only 17% Body fat, I could completly destroy this fucking kid in a heartbeat. However, I simply said 'i dont want you talking to him anymore' she gave me grief, I said LOL
Now I have talked to this kid, he is a snobby short fucking acne infested book-smart little piece of shit. He is in all honors etc etc etc thinks he's tough shit. That's fucking great, I'm a mensa candidate with an IQ of 138, I really dont give a shit if this kid thinks he is better than me at life, he isn't.
He gave me some shit on AIM, I told him we could meet in person, he suddenly starts to panic and be all nice. Eitherway my gay friend, whom is practically in love for me, is a jacked ass black guy who would do anything for me, had spoke to him and yeah. ( I'm not gay --)
All goes well, its the summer we don't really hang out due to some things, I was very busy with starcraft/therapy/gym/magic the gathering type-2 tournaments. LOL!
Just some epic quotes from LS himself. Really, would you wanna be friends with that? haha
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i tried to read his interview on gg.net and started barfing
btw inca himself is accused hacker
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Well eXigent those quotes are fucking hilarious, however if starcraft was all about the person themself i dont think anyone would want to be friends with you either, or really anyone because if u devote enough time to sc to even know this website really ur basically a nerd.
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On December 21 2008 04:31 Fury_InCa wrote:
Well eXigent those quotes are fucking hilarious, however if starcraft was all about the person themself i dont think anyone would want to be friends with you either, or really anyone because if u devote enough time to sc to even know this website really ur basically a nerd. NERD INTERNET Starcraft
lol.
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Steve is going to murder you.
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I mostly stay away from the foreigner drama, I tend not to follow things very closely. However, after reading a few threads about lastshadow I agree with a lot of people here that his attitude is just horrible.
In the interview with Chika he mostly made up a bunch of excuses. Nobody cares why he cheated, or that it wasn't technically a hack. Say you cheated, apologize, don't make excuses and move on. I think people would be more forgiving over time if he was more apologetic to the community.
Maybe LS doesn't think he has anything to apologize for, but that just shows his immaturity. It's like a toddler defending himself as to why he hit his brother. "Well he made fun of me so I hit him", it's completely devoid of any apology and shows that he's unable with his current level of maturity to take responsibility for anything he's done.
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i am not lastshadow. check my ip. many people know me. also i am FURY not INCA and INCA isnt a person its INKA, INCA is a clan that i was in a long time ago when i made this account.
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AoN.Chika
And were these friends of yours progamers?
lastshadow:
Hmm, I think at the time they were close to it, I really do. One was a protoss, whom everytime made Exalted look like an idiot, and made me switch to protoss briefly haha. I obsed Exalted beat the current-day progamer TeSteR[GM] 3-2 but then saw Exalted dismantled by my other korean friend. I still think to this day, that had exalted cared about Broodwar, he was the best foreigner that would have ever played with the exception of legends like Giyom and Elky. He improved with every loss, and his brain is just a gift beyond belief. I was sad when he told he was quitting shortly after i beat him in 2007
This lastshadow interview by Chika is hilarious
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yeah you're 99% last shadow, god go quit sc and actually move on with your life.
PLEASE
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On December 21 2008 04:31 Fury_InCa wrote:
Well eXigent those quotes are fucking hilarious, however if starcraft was all about the person themself i dont think anyone would want to be friends with you either, or really anyone because if u devote enough time to sc to even know this website really ur basically a nerd.
When I first responded to this post on GG.net a few minutes ago, I didn't know much about the person creating the post nor the person it was about. I stated what I knew and that little bit alone told me that LastShadow should not be forgiven in the near future nor should anyone else BUT him be the person to ask for forgiveness. Anyways here I am checking out TL.net and I see the same post listed in the broodwar forums so I give it a look; mainly looking for reactions to perhaps learn a bit more.
Well I have to say after reading everything that everyone has posted, it is clear that LastShadow is definitely not deserving of forgiveness. The thread creator is CERTAINLY a friend of LastShadow or LastShadow himself - I'd bet money on it. The point of this thread was to ask for forgiveness for someone else? For that reason alone TL.net should close it. Then the response posts: the quotes from LastShadow himself? Sickening. Fury's responses to the response posts: childish and blind. It would seem that no one is ready to forgive him and the general consensus seems to be he'd have to perform well in offline events such as WCG before respect is given.
Forgiveness was asked, it was denied: reasons listed and solutions suggested. This thread has reached its end and I don't see anything more coming out of it except possibly a flame war between the thread creator & posters. I'd hope that moderators close this thread soon.
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and can you stop making threads about yourself?
your life is sad, no one thinks you're good, you're nothing but a cheater.
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Korea (South)11570 Posts
the reason why everyone hates LS is because he continues to make threads on TL about why he is so great or a thread where he whines about everyone hating him. Jesus, if he just shut up no one would care, and treat him like every other UsEast server hacker.
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Eh, I know for a fact that fury is not Lastshadow.. but seeing one of my former friends stick up for lastnerdow really hurts :{.
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jesus christ i am not lastshadow, i hated him up until a few days ago when i actually talked to him the first time. my responses are not "blind or childish" i agree im a nerd when it comes to starcraft. your a nerd when it comes to starcraft, we all are, and its proposterous to claim anything different.
additionally because the "general consensus" is one thing does not mean u have to agree. people say lil wayne is the best rapper alive, is he? not neccisarily. In nazi germany people thought all jews should be killled, should they? no. so just because other people say something doesnt mean u have to believe. it.
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Have you seen his blogs? Aside from the cheating / getting caught / cheating / getting caught i think that most people hate his attitude and the way he talks. He just doesn't shut up and constantly brags about every little thing he thinks is great about himself. He talks like he's the #1 foreign player, and he hasnt even done well in any tournaments. He did decently in wcg online qualifiers but OH LOOK kawaiirice was obbing and lastshadow is suspicious as hell. He goes something like 33-0 on iccup but OH LOOK he did it without antihack. My points is that he never does anything straight up, there's always some little detail (or big detail) that completely overshadows everything he does.
I mean, look at oldy. Oldy was caught fucking maphacking and people have already started to respect him again. You know why? Because he didnt keep making these stupid "apologies", constantly saying he's innocent and he's done well in various tournaments. He just said "yeah, i hacked and I wont do it again" and as far as anyone can tell, he hasnt. He hasnt given any reason for people to suspect him again. He just dropped it and let it slip to the back of everyone's mind and I think most people think of him as a legit player again.
Plus its the people he hangs out with, moonrai, game, kawaiirice, dino, and pretty much every faggot BW player that has ever walked the earth. Moonrai and game seem to be self hyping idiots like lastshadow who give themselves praise at every chance they get, yet fail to ever do anything impressive. And all dino does is talk in caps and brag about hacking. I mean how can you be taken seriously with this group of people?
Long story short he needs to shut the fuck up and move on. Although I think his BW career is pretty much fucked beyond saving.
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pimptoss im not sure who u are, however a few days ago seeing me stick up for lastshadow would hurt too, however he is worthy of sticking up for. i agree with what he said about how get some cookie points on tl.net by saying u hate lastshadow etc. its completely true.
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maybe I can help explain why nobody likes Lastshadow.
- He cheated / abused / whatever you want to call it *multiple* times. He lied, and deceived people, he posted about himself, shameless self promotion, bragging, tons of other terrible qualities.
- Now, he masks everything in an attitude he thinks will appeal to other people. He's trying to "rebuild" his reputation by giving people one-sided and skewed stories about his past, victimizing himself and trying to brush off all the bad things about his past by taking advantage of people ignorant about the foreign scene who don't know him already.
- If you see beneath his facade of trying to come across as a "changed man" you can see he's just the same as he has always been. He's egotistical, delusional, thinks he's way better than he is, only cares about his image, and tries to promote it in shameless and stupid ways. This season and last season his ICCUP stats have been highly suspicious, although nothing has ever been proven, but having actually watched him play, his record and rank do not match what he actually looks like when he games.
Point being, all he cares about is becoming "known" for the sake of being famous or whatever. He's self obsessed and a terrible person. He doesn't deserve anyone's respect or admiration. Nobody who tries to show off how good they are should be respected by anybody.
That and he's never accomplished anything besides an ICCUP rank.
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Your replies basically prove his point, the OP wasn't asking for forgiveness, just that people who don't even know everything about LS treat him like trash like it's a trend.
...And you guys start cussing at him and calling him names.
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On December 21 2008 04:59 Fury_InCa wrote:
jesus christ i am not lastshadow, i hated him up until a few days ago when i actually talked to him the first time. my responses are not "blind or childish" i agree im a nerd when it comes to starcraft. your a nerd when it comes to starcraft, we all are, and its proposterous to claim anything different.
additionally because the "general consensus" is one thing does not mean u have to agree. people say lil wayne is the best rapper alive, is he? not neccisarily. In nazi germany people thought all jews should be killled, should they? no. so just because other people say something doesnt mean u have to believe. it.
ok fine, let's say you're not lastshadow.
none of us here came up with a general consensus to hate shadow. first off, he cheated by rigging maps. okay he apologized. first mistake, said he wouldn't do it again
what does he do? fucks nesh over on the wcg qualifiers. and it was so obvious he didn't even attempt to hide it. after cheating/deceiving people over and over, do you really think people will like him?
+ he's such an attention whore and thinks that he's like the best @ SC or something...rofl gtfo if you think you like lastshadow, sorry
the difference between him and testie is testie actually proved himself by performing well on LAN and big events, but what about LastShadow? lol.
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Stop.
Everything.
He pulled out the holocaust card
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xeris
1.) if iccup ranks mean nothing, than why on your recruitment page does it say "searching for B rank or higher". it seems odd to put something like that if it is not a measure of skill.
2.) everyone has reasons for playing starcraft, his is to be famous so what. I too agree his attitude is pretty sad, however BM is not a reflection of skill. nDie_Challrenge is a a-team progamer but is also notorious for ridiculous BM. but that does not mean hes a bad gamer.
3.) he did cheat / abuse. im pretty sure everyone knows that it does nothing for the situation to just say that he did it over and over again.
also have any of you even seen lastshadows recent games? your making off-color remarks about his skill when you arent gaming with him or have seen any of his replays so how could you possibly know? its just ridiculous. dont remark about something u know nothing about.
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Chalrenge is progamer, LS plays D level players without AH in icc to get higher rank, your comparison fails.
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Inca the korean starcraft scene is totally different, get the fuck off shadow's dick already, omg lolool
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On December 21 2008 05:05 traced wrote:
Stop.
Everything.
He pulled out the holocaust card
This.
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who the hell is last shadow
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clazziquai im fury not inca its a team tag, thx. additionally, hyperionnn as much as i hate it everytime LS goes i got A- twice last season, he DID get A- twice last season, and with AH on. also hes top 3 stamina atm with all AH on. my comparison doesnt fail.... your replies are just getting more ridiculous by the minute.
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The LastShadow Defense Force is alive and on patrol.
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You shut up.
Also, tell your friend to shut up and just play the game.
Stop bothering people with this shit.
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On December 21 2008 04:59 Fury_InCa wrote:
additionally because the "general consensus" is one thing does not mean u have to agree. people say lil wayne is the best rapper alive, is he? not neccisarily. In nazi germany people thought all jews should be killled, should they? no. so just because other people say something doesnt mean u have to believe. it.
You're fucking stupid dude. I hardly knew anything about this whole ordeal before. Now you create this thread and everyone compiles FACTS about LastShadow. They show he's guilty of a lot of shit, overall just being a terrible person. There is no debate. Your original post asked why people hate him? That's why. You got your answer, stop posting now.
On December 21 2008 05:01 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Your replies basically prove his point, the OP wasn't asking for forgiveness, just that people who don't even know everything about LS treat him like trash like it's a trend.
...And you guys start cussing at him and calling him names.
"Conclusion
Yes. Yes lastshadow abused/cheat, however never hacked. Why cant the community just accept that and move on."
You're clearly a friend of LastShadow. Did you even read this forum? What HE has said and done? He IS trash. Close this thread.
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On December 21 2008 05:09 Fury_InCa wrote:
xeris
1.) if iccup ranks mean nothing, than why on your recruitment page does it say "searching for B rank or higher". it seems odd to put something like that if it is not a measure of skill.
2.) everyone has reasons for playing starcraft, his is to be famous so what. I too agree his attitude is pretty sad, however BM is not a reflection of skill. nDie_Challrenge is a a-team progamer but is also notorious for ridiculous BM. but that does not mean hes a bad gamer.
3.) he did cheat / abuse. im pretty sure everyone knows that it does nothing for the situation to just say that he did it over and over again.
also have any of you even seen lastshadows recent games? your making off-color remarks about his skill when you arent gaming with him or have seen any of his replays so how could you possibly know? its just ridiculous. dont remark about something u know nothing about.
No not many people have fucking seen him play. We see what is shown to us, we arent going to seek him out and be like "hey i hear your a big cheating faggot, but i want to see how good you really are so let me watch you play" what the fuck. We see players like mondragon/strelok etc because they are constantly in tournaments and constantly pulling good results. Why doesnt lastshadow ever participate in these tournaments like esl and shit if he's so goddamn good? Im sure if he just shut the fuck up at least one tournament organizer would let him in. you cant just play iccup and call yourself a top foreign player thats completely fucking retarded.
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On December 21 2008 05:16 Star.Dj wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2008 04:59 Fury_InCa wrote:
additionally because the "general consensus" is one thing does not mean u have to agree. people say lil wayne is the best rapper alive, is he? not neccisarily. In nazi germany people thought all jews should be killled, should they? no. so just because other people say something doesnt mean u have to believe. it. You're fucking stupid dude. I hardly knew anything about this whole ordeal before. Now you create this thread and everyone compiles FACTS about LastShadow. They show he's guilty of a lot of shit, overall just being a terrible person. There is no debate. Your original post asked why people hate him? That's why. You got your answer, stop posting now. Show nested quote +On December 21 2008 05:01 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Your replies basically prove his point, the OP wasn't asking for forgiveness, just that people who don't even know everything about LS treat him like trash like it's a trend.
...And you guys start cussing at him and calling him names. "Conclusion Yes. Yes lastshadow abused/cheat, however never hacked. Why cant the community just accept that and move on." You're clearly a friend of LastShadow. Did you even read this forum? What HE has said and done? He IS trash. Close this thread.
Why did you quote me?
You're clearly a friend of BM.
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star.dj by your logic every reply that is posting something in this thread is fact. by that logic, your a moron. it must be true!
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Let me tell you a story
There once was a kid who was walking through a gamestop one day, and he came across a box, hidden behind another box in the pc game section. It was starcraft battlechest. He looked in awe, holding in his hands something he felt to be the holy grail itself, then steeled himself home to test its capabilities. He installed the game, and while doing so read the guides that came with it. He knew he was ready, he rushed onto the battle.net arena, sure of his victory, and was destroyed. He cursed his opponents mother then logged off. He went online, looking for more information to become the champion of the game. He stumbled across two websites, TL and GG(for contents of story he goes from TL to GG). He instantly signs up on TL, reads some posts, then knowing everything he starts to post, spewing forth his knowledge, ridiculing all those who disagree. He then starts to play more, winning occationally, this is obviously a cause to celebrate, for all victories by the champion must be reveled in.
After a period of time however, the people of TL begin to treat him as an outcast, he is not sure why, he is better than them, smarter than them, and obviously has a bigger cock, i mean hes the champion he has to r ight? Anyway, he ends up getting attacked, many times by one person, so he gets so mad he alters a map, altering the battleground to his favour then destroys his opponent, mocking his in ability to get with women and ability to play sc. He does this some more, then once caught the people of TL cast him out.
He moves to GG, and acts the same way he did at TL, i mean hes the champion, the last hope for the game. He brags about his iq, how amazing he is at scoring with women, how everyone loves him, etc.... and anytime he lashes out at people, he has a reason now, he makes up a disorder and makes it sound legitmate so when people fl ame him for being angry, he can make it seem legitimate. He then moves on to online tournaments, and realizes he still needs help to defeat his oppressors. He calls on some friends, and has them observe his games, being his free observer and telling him his opponents strategies. He begins to defeat them easily, but no, still people do not believe in his skill, so he decides to rise to the top of a ladder.
This ladder however is difficult, and filled with the strongest opponents he has ever faced, but without fear he begins his accent. He struggles, the ladder system is designed to not let you manipulate the game as he had in the past to win, but he realizes, he doesnt need to manipulate the games hes playing, if he can find people willing to throw the game. He then ascends to the higher rungs of the ladder, screaming his name and skill to all those who happened to live. Then announcing he is the best who ever lived, he continues to play, the stallwart champion of douchebaggery.
For this title of champion could go to no one but the legendary Lastshadow
Note, this is just a general recalling of the Champions history.
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I can give 99999999999999 examples how LS is retarded, but this shows that LS is clearly retarded.
Guide Name: LastShadOw’s Terran vs Protoss Guide
Author: LastShadOw
Current Patch: 1.15.1
Date: 2007 Year
To: TeamLiquid.Net
Updates: 3
Last Update: November 26th, 2007 10:12 A.M. Eastern Time Zone
Next Update Roughly: November 26th/27th 2007 P.M. Time.
Who the hell writes this shit before he begins a shitty guide? His guide will apply perfectly in 1.09 or all patches.And the update times? ROFL.
And if he's REALLY A- level (Which he is fucking not) why the hell he did nothing in lan tournaments so far, can you fucking explain it?
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On December 21 2008 05:17 jimminy_kriket wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2008 05:09 Fury_InCa wrote:
xeris
1.) if iccup ranks mean nothing, than why on your recruitment page does it say "searching for B rank or higher". it seems odd to put something like that if it is not a measure of skill.
2.) everyone has reasons for playing starcraft, his is to be famous so what. I too agree his attitude is pretty sad, however BM is not a reflection of skill. nDie_Challrenge is a a-team progamer but is also notorious for ridiculous BM. but that does not mean hes a bad gamer.
3.) he did cheat / abuse. im pretty sure everyone knows that it does nothing for the situation to just say that he did it over and over again.
also have any of you even seen lastshadows recent games? your making off-color remarks about his skill when you arent gaming with him or have seen any of his replays so how could you possibly know? its just ridiculous. dont remark about something u know nothing about. No not many people have fucking seen him play. We see what is shown to us, we arent going to seek him out and be like "hey i hear your a big cheating faggot, but i want to see how good you really are so let me watch you play" what the fuck. We see players like mondragon/strelok etc because they are constantly in tournaments and constantly pulling good results. Why doesnt lastshadow ever participate in these tournaments like esl and shit if he's so goddamn good? Im sure if he just shut the fuck up at least one tournament organizer would let him in. you cant just play iccup and call yourself a top foreign player thats completely fucking retarded.
im not sure if he calls himself a top foreigner. and i personally dont call him a top foreigner either. i say he has the skill to compete with some of the top foreigners. and i dont say this because he got A- or whatever, i say it because ive seen him play, and hes shown skill..
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On December 21 2008 05:19 Fury_InCa wrote:
star.dj by your logic every reply that is posting something in this thread is fact. by that logic, your a moron. it must be true!
Attempt to quote me where I said that every reply in this thread is fact and I'll give you an English lesson.
Someone ban this Fury_InCa troll.
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On December 21 2008 05:21 Star.Dj wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2008 05:19 Fury_InCa wrote:
star.dj by your logic every reply that is posting something in this thread is fact. by that logic, your a moron. it must be true! Attempt to quote me where I said that every reply in this thread is fact and I'll give you an English lesson. Someone ban this Fury_InCa troll.
If this wasn't a LS thread, you would so be banned by now.
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[QUOTE]On December 21 2008 05:16 Star.Dj wrote:
You're fucking stupid dude. I hardly knew anything about this whole ordeal before. Now you create this thread and everyone compiles FACTS about LastShadow. They show he's guilty of a lot of shit, overall just being a terrible person. There is no debate. Your original post asked why people hate him? That's why. You got your answer, stop posting now.
nice manner bud, im totally the troll here.
where is this compilement of facts???????? im pretty sure you were referring to this thread, so ill clear my calendar for tonite so i can have that english lesson!
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On December 21 2008 05:24 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2008 05:21 Star.Dj wrote:On December 21 2008 05:19 Fury_InCa wrote:
star.dj by your logic every reply that is posting something in this thread is fact. by that logic, your a moron. it must be true! Attempt to quote me where I said that every reply in this thread is fact and I'll give you an English lesson. Someone ban this Fury_InCa troll. If this wasn't a LS thread, you would so be banned by now.
..And Fury's/LastShadow's friend too.
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On December 21 2008 05:26 Star.Dj wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2008 05:24 Avidkeystamper wrote:On December 21 2008 05:21 Star.Dj wrote:On December 21 2008 05:19 Fury_InCa wrote:
star.dj by your logic every reply that is posting something in this thread is fact. by that logic, your a moron. it must be true! Attempt to quote me where I said that every reply in this thread is fact and I'll give you an English lesson. Someone ban this Fury_InCa troll. If this wasn't a LS thread, you would so be banned by now. ..And Fury's/LastShadow's friend too.
Wait, the fact that this is a LS bashing thread helps protect LS's supposed friend?
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i have no idea who avidkeystamper is, just because he agrees with me must mean hes my friend huh? thats so far-fetched it hurts my brain. you should be banned for chronic retardation.
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ok this is exactly one of the reasons we hate him. You came here asking why we hate him and we told you. None of us lied if none of this changes your mind then shut the fuck up and stop trolling.
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u know wat ur rite lastshadow is great, give him a 2nd chance plez
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On December 21 2008 05:09 Fury_InCa wrote:
xeris
1.) if iccup ranks mean nothing, than why on your recruitment page does it say "searching for B rank or higher". it seems odd to put something like that if it is not a measure of skill.
2.) everyone has reasons for playing starcraft, his is to be famous so what. I too agree his attitude is pretty sad, however BM is not a reflection of skill. nDie_Challrenge is a a-team progamer but is also notorious for ridiculous BM. but that does not mean hes a bad gamer.
3.) he did cheat / abuse. im pretty sure everyone knows that it does nothing for the situation to just say that he did it over and over again.
also have any of you even seen lastshadows recent games? your making off-color remarks about his skill when you arent gaming with him or have seen any of his replays so how could you possibly know? its just ridiculous. dont remark about something u know nothing about.
- Because you need to be at least decent to get B rank, and it weeds out horrible players so we don't have to waste time testing every single person who wants to join. Idiot. Look at players such as Ptak and Octzerg, who used to be A+ ranked and shit on ladders, but they never played consistently well in Division 1 level.
- Lastshadow is decent, but he's a douchebag. Just because a progamer is notorious for being bad mannered doesn't mean the community should accept a third tier foreign gamer for being an asshole. Plus, Chalrenge probably never cheated and abused either.
- Everyone "knows" he cheated and abused, but he gives people a skewed story to try and build sympathy for him.
- Yes I've seen Lastshadow's recent games, ACTUALLY. Don't assume I haven't seen him play, retard. My cousin watches him all the time, and I've seen him play too - he's a one dimensional player who has 45969408 flaws and as I said before, is a third tier player at best.
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On December 21 2008 05:30 jimminy_kriket wrote:
ok this is exactly one of the reasons we hate him. You came here asking why we hate him and we told you. None of us lied if none of this changes your mind then shut the fuck up and stop trolling.
It was a rhetorical device, he didn't ask a question in the OP, he just offered a basis for discussing that in his opinion, people rag on LS too much. It's a trend to just bash him whenever his name is mentioned, almost like a violent hobby. I didn't read any part about forgiving LS.
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"star.dj by your logic every reply that is posting something in this thread is fact. by that logic, your a moron. it must be true!"
"where is this compilement of facts????????"
Lesson 1.
"compilement" is not a word.
I said, and I quote, "Now you create this thread and everyone compiles FACTS about LastShadow".
I'll take it you're not a blind man or you have someone reading the posts for you but it would seem you've overlooked the quotes from the interview posted here, in this very thread (gasp!) by multiple users as well as the line in YOUR opening post stating that he himself had admitted to cheating.
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Honestly, just let this thread die. There's no point posting in it, since fury_inca's the only who's going to support lastshadow anyway, and so he'll be the only one that bumps the thread if no one else posts. And if he actually bothers bumping the thread so the last five posts (etc.) are all him, then that's just almost as desperate/pathetic as lastshadow is.
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Does Lastshadow suck at Starcraft and lie to cover it up?
Yes.
Does Lastshadow suck at life and lie to cover it up?
Yes.
Does Lastshadow have any other redeeming quality?
No.
I hate Lastshadow.
Edit: And WTF are you thinking making a thread titled LASTSHADOW SAGA. It's exactly the thing he would do. If you're not lastshadow you resemble him enough for me to hate you
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How can so many people dislike a boy in such a serious situation as his. Chaos syndrome is no joke
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Fury_InCa you seem to know a lot about the game. Would you mind PMing me some of your replays?
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So many people are misinterpreting the OP. He does not support LS, go read it again.
OMG, the OP is a post that doesn't totally make LS out like something lower than life. PHAI@L<==That's what I'm getting.
Yeah, it's better to close this thread, let the hate wean over time.
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On December 21 2008 05:37 IntoTheWow wrote:
Fury_InCa you seem to know a lot about the game. Would you mind PMing me some of your replays?
I think he'll sent the rep vs zulu on tau lol
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On December 21 2008 05:35 Divinek wrote:
How can so many people dislike a boy in such a serious situation as his. Chaos syndrome is no joke
That poor poor boy... ):
haha I thought that was absolutely pathetic, too.
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OP:
LS cheated, lied and is an attention whore. Last thing he deserves is more publicity, so stop writting about him. Same with interviews. No one wants to read interviews to know how sick LastShadow is, no one cares, no one ever will.
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CALL ZE WAMBULANCE, NOBODY CARES ABOUT LASTSHADOW.
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On December 21 2008 05:34 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
Does Lastshadow suck at Starcraft and lie to cover it up?
Yes.
Does Lastshadow suck at life and lie to cover it up?
Yes.
Does Lastshadow have any other redeeming quality?
No.
I hate Lastshadow.
Edit: And WTF are you thinking making a thread titled LASTSHADOW SAGA. It's exactly the thing he would do. If you're not lastshadow you resemble him enough for me to hate you
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Hope I don't get banned, wasn't trying to troll, just kinda sad to see the sheer amount of disrespect.
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disrespect towards lastshadow?
Why should we respect him.
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Lastshadow is hated because of his behavior, his Starcraft skill at this point is really totally irrelevant.
You are now banned because of your trolling, gtfo.
I'd have banned you sooner if I hadn't been afk.
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