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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
September 06 2008 01:37 GMT
#761
beautiful speech by biden



+ Show Spoiler [transcript] +
Biden: They announced the unemployment figures nationwide. For the eighth month in a row, Americans have lost jobs. We have lost 604,000 jobs in a America, just this calendar year. We're in a position where we had 84,000 lost jobs, shattered dreams, broken homes that occurred as a consequence of this loss of work just in the month of August. We now have 6.1 percent of the American work force idle. And you know what that means.

When a man or woman loses their job, they not only lose their income, they lose their sense of dignity, they lose who their identity, who they are. That's how we identify ourselves. That's how we're brought up. That's how in my neighborhood and yours, you're identified. You're identified by your willingness to work hard, your willingness to do the right thing, your willingness to show up every day and provide for your family. And so it's not merely a lost job. It's a lost sense of identity that occurs.

This ain't your father's Republican Party, by the way. This is a different Republican Party.

But, I'll tell you, it's not so much of what I heard in the Republican convention. When you heard John speak last night. It's not so much what I heard, when I heard part of what the Governor had to say, the vice presidential candidate. It's what I didn't hear.

(Applause)

THE SILENCE - THE SILENCE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WAS DEAFENING. IT WAS DEAFENING. ON JOBS, ON HEALTH CARE, ON ENVIRONMENT, ON ALL THE THINGS THAT MATTER TO THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS I GREW UP IN. DEAFENING!

(Standing Ovation)

Ladies and gentlemen, THEIR AMERICA IS NOT THE AMERICA I LIVE IN. THEY SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN I SEE.

Ladies and gentlemen, literally, those of you, I can't swear to this because I didn't see every bit of every speech. But I asked my staff to check. Do any of you recall either candidate on the Republican ticket utter the phrase, middle class?

Biden: No!

Biden: Did any of you hear them utter the phrase, health care and how we're going to help?

Biden: No!

Biden: Did you hear them talk about aid to get kids to college?

Crowd: No!

Biden: Did you hear them talk about aid to education?

Crowd: No!

Biden: Did you hear them putting more cops on the street to make us safer?

Crowd: No!

Biden: I didn’t hear a thing, a thing, about any of the things that matter to the lives of the people of my hometown of Scranton....

Rick Davis, John’s campaign manager, said two days into the convention, he said "this election is not about issues." That's what he said. And everything I saw at the convention demonstrated that.

It was about how well placed -- and boy she is good -- how a left jab can be stuck pretty nice. It’s about how Barack Obama is such a bad guy.

It’s about how in fact, how in fact, they got great quips. Man, they’re like the kids you know when you went to school and you were very proud of the new belt or the shoes you had, and there was always one kid in the class who said, "oh, are they your brother’s?"

Crowd: Yeah.

Remember that kid? That’s what this is reminding me of. "Oh, I love your dress, was that your mother’s?"

You know what I’m talking about.

What do you talk about, when you have nothing to say?!

What do you talk about when you CANNOT EXPLAIN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS OF FAILURE?!

(Standing Ovation)

What do you talk about?! What do you talk about?!

You talk about the other guy.

Crowd: Giv’em Hell, Joe!

Biden: Remember what Harry Truman used to say. The crowd would yell, "giv’em hell, Harry." And he’d say, "I’m not gonna to giv’em hell, I’m gonna tell them the truth, and they’re gonna think it’s HELL."

(Standing Ovation)
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
September 06 2008 22:52 GMT
#762
great speech by biden
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 06 2008 23:05 GMT
#763
Wow, out of all the speeches I've been hearing on TV lately, this one hits closest to home. n1 VP Biden.
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aRod
Profile Joined July 2007
United States758 Posts
September 06 2008 23:25 GMT
#764
Biden >> Palin
Live to win.
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
September 07 2008 21:08 GMT
#765
Palin Media Avoidance Watch: Day 9 — McCain Camp Says She Won't Do Interviews Until It Knows She'll Be Treated with “Deference” — Rick Davis, campaign manager for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., just told Fox News Channel's Chris Wallace that McCain running mate Gov. Sarah Palin won't subject herself to any tough questions from reporters "until the point in time when she'll be treated with respect and deference."


oh my god.
:O
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
September 07 2008 21:19 GMT
#766
Until they inform her of a bunch of shit so she can have some smart sounding sound bites.
lol
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
September 07 2008 22:42 GMT
#767
haha, hilarious. They are holding out, using Palin television ratings as a negotiating tactic to get favorable media coverage. I doubt that will work.
wtf was that signature
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 07 2008 23:05 GMT
#768
Under pressure for being shielded for questioning, Sarah Palin has a agreed to sit down with Charles Gibson of ABC’s “World News Tonight,” according to an ABC News official.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080907/pl_politico/13227
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
September 07 2008 23:11 GMT
#769
I hate gibson so damn much

I guarantee he doesnt ask a single substantial question
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
September 08 2008 05:17 GMT
#770
Link

Latest Gallup poll McCain 50% Obama 46%

I think this is just the typical convention bounce and will fade out to pre-both convention numbers of Obama slightly ahead.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-08 05:21:01
September 08 2008 05:20 GMT
#771
On September 08 2008 14:17 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Link

Latest Gallup poll McCain 50% Obama 46%

I think this is just the typical convention bounce and will fade out to pre-both convention numbers of Obama slightly ahead.


Let's hope so. Maybe McCain will lose his temper in front of cameras or Palin interview will be a disaster, I'm not banking on it though.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
September 08 2008 05:23 GMT
#772
This is one of the only times McCain has been ahead so it could be an outlier as well. I'm going to be tracking the polls closely in the next few days to see if the convention bounce was felt by other polling outfits.
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Fr33t
Profile Joined June 2008
United States1128 Posts
September 08 2008 05:28 GMT
#773
On September 06 2008 10:33 triangle wrote:
He will look out of place in history textbooks. Then again, since he's already the only Black Senator in the US (which is fairly pathetic)

What's fairly pathetic is the number of black people interested in actually becoming a senator.
"Wow you could literally transport Lomo's face to a girl and the result would be pretty deceptive."
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
September 08 2008 05:39 GMT
#774
At first, i thought mcain had a better chance of winning cause of the obama/clinton divvied votes

Now i feel that Obama has gone too far with his promises and that he wont be able to keep them. He already lied to the public about his funding. Plus, bailing outta the war now is stupid; 6 years of death and thousands of lives for absolutely nothing.
im deaf
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
September 08 2008 05:44 GMT
#775
On September 08 2008 14:39 imBLIND wrote:
At first, i thought mcain had a better chance of winning cause of the obama/clinton divvied votes

Now i feel that Obama has gone too far with his promises and that he wont be able to keep them. He already lied to the public about his funding. Plus, bailing outta the war now is stupid; 6 years of death and thousands of lives for absolutely nothing.

I agree it's not cool Obama backtracked on public funding, and on some of his positions (although I tend to agree more with his new positions). However, what candidate hasn't, including McCain?

Second, AFAIK Obama has said (changed his position to) that he will withdraw only when Iraq is secure. McCain has said he will secure Iraq, then withdraw. What is the difference?
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
iosef
Profile Joined June 2007
Israel194 Posts
September 08 2008 05:47 GMT
#776
On September 08 2008 14:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2008 14:17 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Link

Latest Gallup poll McCain 50% Obama 46%

I think this is just the typical convention bounce and will fade out to pre-both convention numbers of Obama slightly ahead.


Let's hope so. Maybe McCain will lose his temper in front of cameras or Palin interview will be a disaster, I'm not banking on it though.


Palin is not alllowed to be interviewed by the media. They are sequestering her in an undisclosed location. (no but seriously, she is not taking interviews.)
Tsagacity
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2124 Posts
September 08 2008 06:15 GMT
#777
On September 08 2008 14:44 ahrara_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2008 14:39 imBLIND wrote:
At first, i thought mcain had a better chance of winning cause of the obama/clinton divvied votes

Now i feel that Obama has gone too far with his promises and that he wont be able to keep them. He already lied to the public about his funding. Plus, bailing outta the war now is stupid; 6 years of death and thousands of lives for absolutely nothing.

I agree it's not cool Obama backtracked on public funding, and on some of his positions (although I tend to agree more with his new positions). However, what candidate hasn't, including McCain?

Second, AFAIK Obama has said (changed his position to) that he will withdraw only when Iraq is secure. McCain has said he will secure Iraq, then withdraw. What is the difference?


Obama's site says he plans to slowly remove combat brigades every month, and have removed them all within 16 months of his coming into office.

Not sure about Mccain's current talk, but i thought he had supported the "no timetables" thing.
"Everyone worse than me at video games is a noob. Everyone better than me doesn't have a life."
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-08 06:49:00
September 08 2008 06:36 GMT
#778
USAToday/Gallup Poll

Ok I went to USAToday and found the poll referenced above. I'm starting to believe this must be an outlier. The 50-46 number was registered voters, not as reliable an indicator as likely voters. The likely voters sampled in this poll favor McCain by TEN points.

"In the new poll, taken Friday through Sunday, McCain leads Obama by 54%-44% among those seen as most likely to vote. The survey of 1,022 adults, including 959 registered voters, has a margin of error of +/— 3 points for both samples."

Emphasis mine.


Zogby

9/5-9/6 Zogby

49.7% McCain-Palin
45.9% Obama-Biden

~4 point lead after the convention seems like a reasonable bounce. 10 points in the Gallup poll can't possibly be right.
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Silverflame
Profile Joined August 2006
United States428 Posts
September 08 2008 06:54 GMT
#779
"Likely voters" are often determined by whether you voted in the past several elections and age. So the 65+ senior citizens that favor McCain are considered "likely." New and young voters are not.

I find it all to be BS, mostly included so the media can cherrypick the polls to reinforce their narrative that this is a close race. It's not that the media is biased, they just want higher ratings and money, so the race has to be as close as possible.
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
September 08 2008 06:56 GMT
#780
That poll by gallup is clearly the outlier. I recommend people use Pollster for an overall reference - it juggles a massive amount of polls and indicates Obama still has a 3.5% lead, meaning he's held off the bump (or so it seems).
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