EPTROFL to all you D+'s on ICCUP - Page 15
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stiga
United States377 Posts
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Kingsp4de20
United States716 Posts
On July 28 2008 23:24 foppa wrote: @ chill this is a blog, so anyone is free to post what ever their opinion might be not you anymore banned ROFL 1-0 | ||
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Kingsp4de20
United States716 Posts
"Why are you bashing combat he spends hundred of hours helping noobs" Wrong...First off he is not helping at all, he is giving terrible information, he completely lacks the necessary skill to be teaching, hes not actually doing it for his fans but to bost his pathetic ego. He even has the nerve to ask for donations...lol | ||
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Kletus
Canada580 Posts
On July 28 2008 23:24 foppa wrote: @ chill this is a blog, so anyone is free to post what ever their opinion might be On July 28 2008 23:12 foppa wrote: so hold-up... you are bashing combat for abusing his way through the iccup ladder. fine that's something he does deserve to be bashed about. now for the rest of the people making fun of his skill level and his vods, you really shouldn't because if he doesnt help the noobs who will? he's a least good enough to teach people not to go forge first pvt. + Show Spoiler + See what I did there? | ||
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GoShox
United States1845 Posts
Wow, I'm disgusted by the people that still support him. He just spends his time calling BS on everything and refuses to talk about the 15 minute games where there are 9 units made by one side. It's pretty sad, really. | ||
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fathead
United States158 Posts
As far as I can tell there is no better alternative. Watching FPVODS of progamers are nice but are no where near as good as having the person playing walking you through what's going on. I did find a few other VODS on youtube buy ALL of the other accounts were either dead or didn't have commentary. So if Combat-Ex's advice isn't valid then please by all means get on YouTube and offer something better. Until then you will just be considered a jealous hater. The truth is that Combat has gotten a lot of new players into SC and old players back into SC. If the advice is bad then who cares people will learn else where. The point is that they are playing again. So again until someone offers something better. Shut up. In the mean time be happy that YT has revitalized SC. And again I can't stress this enough, get on YT and give it your own go. YT is the wave of the future, it's time to evolve. | ||
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anderoo
Canada1876 Posts
Welcome to the internet, enjoy your stay. To be honest, I have watched every single one of combat-ex's videos, and I was in clan gG) (Ace[eMg]'s old clan which he was a leader of) which merged with -ex. So I pretty much have heard every word he's said in any given video, andd there are some conflicting things. One of them is that even I, a n00b, can spot bullshit in his strats (anyone seen the "using burrow zvp rapes" video? yeah...) Yet even though he seems like he's a D+/C- to some people here, in his "epic game series" which are the few games around game 100 where he plays really long games, he plays against a guy named "hazy-breeze" who is supposedly an A rank korean zerg on iccup. If someone can find out hazy's iccup aka or combat can tell people in a video I think that they'd doubt his skill level less, because I'm pretty sure that A ranked players don't go around giving out free wins, and even if he didn't try his hardest against combat an A ranked player can still smash lower level players easily only using mouse. | ||
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Kletus
Canada580 Posts
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Ryot
Canada316 Posts
On July 29 2008 01:56 fathead wrote: I have a question. Since you guys seem to think Combat-Ex is just a tool. Where would you recommend a noob to guy to learn how to get better. And don't just say play more often. Assume that they ARE playing a lot but still want some kind of help. A VLOG seems like the best method for this so where else if not Combat? You can watch progamer FPVODs and/or VODs. You can also use the strategy forum to post replays and get help on your game specifically. Both of what I listed are better options than listening to combat. And the two best methods of improving really are playing and then self-analysis. You don't need to listen to some iccup abuser on youtube who doesn't even give that good advice. | ||
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Pangolin
United States1035 Posts
There are plenty of places to find detailed strategy information if you don't mind reading what to do rather then seeing it. Finally, like Ryot said and Intothewow before him, if you are still having trouble you can post a replay in the strategy forum here and people will tell you what you specifically are doing wrong in the game. | ||
Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
On July 29 2008 01:56 fathead wrote: I have a question. Since you guys seem to think Combat-Ex is just a tool. Where would you recommend a noob to go to learn how to get better. And don't just say play more often. Assume that they ARE playing a lot but still want some kind of help. A VOD seems like the best method for this so where else if not Combat? As far as I can tell there is no better alternative. Watching FPVODS of progamers are nice but are no where near as good as having the person playing walking you through what's going on. I did find a few other VODS on youtube buy ALL of the other accounts were either dead or didn't have commentary. So if Combat-Ex's advice isn't valid then please by all means get on YouTube and offer something better. Until then you will just be considered a jealous hater. The truth is that Combat has gotten a lot of new players into SC and old players back into SC. If the advice is bad then who cares people will learn else where. The point is that they are playing again. So again until someone offers something better. Shut up. In the mean time be happy that YT has revitalized SC. And again I can't stress this enough, get on YT and give it your own go. YT is the wave of the future, it's time to evolve. It's simply a difference of opinion. You guys think it's good that he's gotten people into StarCraft with lies and strategically weak analysis; We don't. There isn't much more to say and one opinion isn't more valid than the other. In order to criticize something, it isn't necessary to replace it yourself. I don't have to build a car to say the Honda Element looks like piece of shit, and I don't have to make commentaries to say Combat-Ex lies about his skill level, his statistics, and has no place making off-race strategic commentaries. | ||
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sylonto
United States44 Posts
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Centric
United States1989 Posts
On July 29 2008 03:13 Chill wrote: It's simply a difference of opinion. You guys think it's good that he's gotten people into StarCraft with lies and strategically weak analysis; We don't. There isn't much more to say and one opinion isn't more valid than the other. In order to criticize something, it isn't necessary to replace it yourself. I don't have to build a car to say the Honda Element looks like piece of shit, and I don't have to make commentaries to say Combat-Ex lies about his skill level, his statistics, and has no place makingoff-race strategic commentaries. Agreed. Besides, there are alternatives out there. Chill's FPVODs are definitely extremely helpful for any Zergs who want to get better, and NonY is out there making FPVODs for my Protoss brethren. From what I've seen of SuperiorWolf's videos, his FPVODs are way better than anything out there offered by Combat-EX. | ||
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fathead
United States158 Posts
On July 29 2008 03:13 Chill wrote: It's simply a difference of opinion. You guys think it's good that he's gotten people into StarCraft with lies and strategically weak analysis; We don't. There isn't much more to say and one opinion isn't more valid than the other. In order to criticize something, it isn't necessary to replace it yourself. I don't have to build a car to say the Honda Element looks like piece of shit, and I don't have to make commentaries to say Combat-Ex lies about his skill level, his statistics, and has no place makingoff-race strategic commentaries. That's fine. I think most people who watch his videos know he isn't a SC god (at least ones who actually play SC). In fact Combat has repeated said that he isn't great, only good when compared to noobs. He has said many times that his vid's are for noobs only. I personally don't care at all about Combat's skill. It's the idea FPVODS that I am defending more then anything. Right now Combat is the only source for english speaking FPVODs. Hopefully more players who have greater skill will make some also. When I asked for people to make FPVODS of there own I wasn't saying this to defend Combat per-say. I said it because I really would like to see more FPVODS. I would love for more high skilled players to hop on YT and show us how they approach the game. FPVODS are a great way to improve your SC play. Certainly not the only way or even the best way, but I think one day they will be as popular as watching progamer replays. Nothing is better then studying your own game but sometimes watching how someone else approaches SC is just what the doctor ordered. And right now Combat is the only real choice. | ||
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fathead
United States158 Posts
On July 29 2008 03:31 Centric wrote: Agreed. Besides, there are alternatives out there. Chill's FPVODs are definitely extremely helpful for any Zergs who want to get better, and NonY is out there making FPVODs for my Protoss brethren. From what I've seen of SuperiorWolf's videos, his FPVODs are way better than anything out there offered by Combat-EX. Can someone link me Chill FPVODS> I can't find him on YT. Thanks. | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21552 Posts
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Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
On July 29 2008 03:40 fathead wrote: Can someone link me Chill FPVODS> I can't find him on YT. Thanks. I use Google Video so I don't have to break the videos up. | ||
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Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
On July 29 2008 03:38 fathead wrote: That's fine. I think most people who watch his videos know he isn't a SC god (at least ones who actually play SC). In fact Combat has repeated said that he isn't great, only good when compared to noobs. He has said many times that his vid's are for noobs only. I personally don't care at all about Combat's skill. It's the idea FPVODS that I am defending more then anything. Right now Combat is the only source for english speaking FPVODs. Hopefully more players who have greater skill will make some also. When I asked for people to make FPVODS of there own I wasn't saying this to defend Combat per-say. I said it because I really would like to see more FPVODS. I would love for more high skilled players to hop on YT and show us how they approach the game. FPVODS are a great way to improve your SC play. Certainly not the only way or even the best way, but I think one day they will be as popular as watching progamer replays. Nothing is better then studying your own game but sometimes watching how someone else approaches SC is just what the doctor ordered. And right now Combat is the only real choice. Combat is really good at saying things directly, and then contradicting himself indirectly almost immediately after. Obviously I'm not a Combat-Ex quotation database, but I recall him mentioning he's top 20 in Canada (with no results), mentioning his East record and how it's really, really good (melee record in casual play is beyond meaningless), and repeatedly beating it into us how we can't pull off his maneuvers because he's really, really good. I think a lot of people in the Youtube community have fallen for it and really do think he's the second coming of Jesus in terms of StarCraft skill. It is unfortunate he's the only source of strategic FPVods. And believe me I've noticed, as you see I've listened to a lot of his commentaries even though I really dislike him, simply because I love the idea of strategic FPVods. | ||
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fathead
United States158 Posts
On July 29 2008 03:57 Chill wrote: Combat is really good at saying things directly, and then contradicting himself indirectly almost immediately after. Obviously I'm not a Combat-Ex quotation database, but I recall him mentioning he's top 20 in Canada (with no results), mentioning his East record and how it's really, really good (melee record in casual play is beyond meaningless), and repeatedly beating it into us how we can't pull off his maneuvers because he's really, really good. I think a lot of people in the Youtube community have fallen for it and really do think he's the second coming of Jesus in terms of StarCraft skill. It is unfortunate he's the only source of strategic FPVods. And believe me I've noticed, as you see I've listened to a lot of his commentaries even though I really dislike him, simply because I love the idea of strategic FPVods. Point taken. Also I don't want to give Combat too much credit, it was actually Klazart and diggity that got me back into SC after nearly a year and a half of not playing it. I do credit Combat however in getting me up to speed with what still worked and what didn't. I never thought he was great but atleast he could beat guys on B.Net a feat I couldn't seem to accomplish after going 4-22 when I first tried to play SC again. I no longer find use for Combat's videos. His flaws seems clear to me now but I don't think they hurt me. In the mean time I have become really excited about the potential of FPVODS. Even if they are of little help they are at the least entertaining. | ||
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fathead
United States158 Posts
On July 29 2008 03:51 Chill wrote: I use Google Video so I don't have to break the videos up. Thanks. Very useful and I can actually understand what he's saying which is a big plus also =). | ||
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