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On July 30 2008 16:10 Divinek wrote:
Why does no one understand that bad advice is worse than no advice?
I have lived for 15 wasted years and in my stupidity, I think that it's not just the bad advice - the huge ego, the ladder abuse, the asking for donations, etc. Please forgive me if you disagree.
Also, Master, I think there's already plenty of good (insightful) advice that's out there - lots of FPVods and if anyone just used the search button they would find the thread with all the FPVods. Lots of other resources are available too, your servant believes. Strategy guides are very nice on this site - people are always willing to help out and if you have questions they will always answer. There are Korean FPVods, Nony FPVods, and many more, Chill's commentated FPVods and a lot - secondly lots of replays and so much more 'advice'. I hope you can agree with my ideas, reverend sir.
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On July 29 2008 15:41 Raithed wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2008 07:52 clazziquai wrote:On July 29 2008 01:56 fathead wrote:
I have a question. Since you guys seem to think Combat-Ex is just a tool. Where would you recommend a noob to go to learn how to get better. And don't just say play more often. Assume that they ARE playing a lot but still want some kind of help. A VOD seems like the best method for this so where else if not Combat?
As far as I can tell there is no better alternative. Watching FPVODS of progamers are nice but are no where near as good as having the person playing walking you through what's going on. I did find a few other VODS on youtube buy ALL of the other accounts were either dead or didn't have commentary.
So if Combat-Ex's advice isn't valid then please by all means get on YouTube and offer something better. Until then you will just be considered a jealous hater.
The truth is that Combat has gotten a lot of new players into SC and old players back into SC. If the advice is bad then who cares people will learn else where. The point is that they are playing again.
So again until someone offers something better. Shut up. In the mean time be happy that YT has revitalized SC. And again I can't stress this enough, get on YT and give it your own go. YT is the wave of the future, it's time to evolve. You seriously can't improve playing by yourself? Play, watch replays, fix what you do wrong. Not that hard. calm down though, seriously, he helps the noobs (d-).
i wonder how many % of TL players who are C- and higher have started SC by watching someone else's FPVods?
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On July 30 2008 11:25 Ouga wrote:
I never heard him say his own iccup rank. I remember actually thinking of asking him about it since I thought he should have mentioned it already. Now I don't think this sounds too much of a selfboosting actually. I know I wouldn't play friends in iccup with my real name since the system at low ranks allows everybody to raise to something like C or C+ by just playing 1:1 against friends 5 games a day but I don't see what's the problem since it hasn't looked like he's bragging about his rank.
I somewhat agree on the point about the "click these ads as appreciation so I get money" videos, the idea of asking such is rather self-deprecating and inconsiderate.
As he has said, his videos aren't meant for C+ people to become "as good as him" but newbies of D- to D+ caliber mainly. I'm sure many of them actually benefit from these videos. Many people enjoy self-commentated FPVODs instead of learning from replays about buildorders and such, and I don't think there's many people to compete for the viewers on this category.
Ive heard him say in alot of videos that "im probably B/B- iccup right now. I watched about 5 or 6 and heard him mention it in most of them..
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On July 30 2008 11:25 Ouga wrote:
You may call him cheater, I'd say he looks like a guy playing his friends. Wow, what a crime.
When it's on a ladder and some of those friends are imaginary then yes, that's abuse. :p
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[QUOTE]On July 30 2008 20:06 arb wrote:
[QUOTE]Ive heard him say in alot of videos that "im probably B/B- iccup right now. I watched about 5 or 6 and heard him mention it in most of them..
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Actually majority of his viewers probably don't even know what iccup is, or if rank B is higher than rank D  As said I only viewed 5ish of his vids so don't know if he's suddenly started telling it every game but I doubt it.
[QUOTE]On July 31 2008 01:31 SonuvBob wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 30 2008 11:25 Ouga wrote:
You may call him cheater, I'd say he looks like a guy playing his friends. Wow, what a crime.[/QUOTE]
When it's on a ladder and some of those friends are imaginary then yes, that's abuse. :p[/QUOTE]
Way to go taking one line of one paragraph and making it totally out of context. The point being is that as long as he's not all the time yelling how good he is compared to specified players/overall scene what does it really matter if someone is B-? If I want to play games in iccup with a friend who's C- which I am too now, only reason why I wouldn't just pick one on one and play x5 motw against him could be that someone in TL might cry a river about it. Seriously who cares as long as you aren't anywhere near the top in worldwide or foreign rankings? It's a fun league without real rewards after all. Does it all come down to people envying the undeserved applauses from newbies at combat and therefor bashing him? No one would have cared enough to make a topic about this if he wasn't fpvod poster or "famous" in some circles.
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People aren't calling him a cheater because he played with his friends. They're calling him a cheater because he took freewins.
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[QUOTE]On July 31 2008 03:00 Ouga wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 30 2008 20:06 arb wrote:
[QUOTE]Ive heard him say in alot of videos that "im probably B/B- iccup right now. I watched about 5 or 6 and heard him mention it in most of them..
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Actually majority of his viewers probably don't even know what iccup is, or if rank B is higher than rank D As said I only viewed 5ish of his vids so don't know if he's suddenly started telling it every game but I doubt it.
i think u are drunk and really dumb to say something like that, i used to watch his videos but just for entertainment, but not anymore for what just happen (thanks TL for comin up with this topic). i think everyone knows what iccup is, so get over urself who do u think u are to say no one knows that B is higher than D. I dont live in europe or the us and i know how they grade and i think everyone with a brain (obviously u dont use yours) knows how this works.
U are insultin the people who watch this videos by sayin they dont know B is better than D. U are an ignorant.
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On July 31 2008 04:04 ser23 wrote:
i think u are drunk and really dumb to say something like that, i used to watch his videos but just for entertainment, but not anymore for what just happen (thanks TL for comin up with this topic). i think everyone knows what iccup is, so get over urself who do u think u are to say no one knows that B is higher than D. I dont live in europe or the us and i know how they grade and i think everyone with a brain (obviously u dont use yours) knows how this works.
U are insultin the people who watch this videos by sayin they dont know B is better than D. U are an ignorant.
You're nothing but a fool. I'd love to save my time responding to such heinous bshit, but that was totally uncalled for.
Lesson in netetiquette: stands for a *wink* meaning you shouldn't take every word LITERALLY. But after reading your post I already feel dumb for having tried writing in a form that you lack common understanding of.
Keep in mind it's me defending a _stranger_ to me here, while most of the posters seem to just love having a pointless flamewar and get someone to go in flames at burning pile. Too bad you personally are attempting to make me part of it.
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On July 31 2008 03:13 SonuvBob wrote:
People aren't calling him a cheater because he played with his friends. They're calling him a cheater because he took freewins.
I don't see sign of that either. Admins probably removed those games, but I understood he said himself he took 3 freewins. Obviously it doesn't matter whether you take freewins or just play -3rank lowers to gain +25 per win: on a long run you're destined to go up in ranks. I never said that account's games looked all that legit in terms of granting him recognition: several games against same guys in a row constantly (=what I referred as friends) or just lowrankbashing. I understand people considering this pathetic for doing that since so do I, but it's not cheating, nor does it automatically mean his "real" rank is something like D+ as many have stated. His ways just look lame, and if he brags about that account's B- on this season it's of course fcked up, but people have gone just offtopic and bashing him for absolutely anything: even for RL voice. Come on?
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On July 31 2008 04:59 Ouga wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2008 03:13 SonuvBob wrote:
People aren't calling him a cheater because he played with his friends. They're calling him a cheater because he took freewins. I don't see sign of that either. Admins probably removed those games, but I understood he said himself he took 3 freewins. Obviously it doesn't matter whether you take freewins or just play -3rank lowers to gain +25 per win: on a long run you're destined to go up in ranks. I never said that account's games looked all that legit in terms of granting him recognition: several games against same guys in a row constantly (=what I referred as friends) or just lowrankbashing. I understand people considering this pathetic for doing that since so do I, but it's not cheating, nor does it automatically mean his "real" rank is something like D+ as many have stated. His ways just look lame, and if he brags about that account's B- on this season it's of course fcked up, but people have gone just offtopic and bashing him for absolutely anything: even for RL voice. Come on?
Let me put it this way:
Let's have two players, one named Xetabm-OC and the other Combat-EX.
Combat-EX takes some free wins and plays mostly players hugely weaker than he is. He has a 250-20 record, and is B- ranked.
Xetabm-OC always plays people higher ranks than he is, and loses a lot. However, he tries very hard and practices a lot, and beats some higher ranked players so he has a 60-60 record that is also B-.
Combat-EX asks for donations b/c he is a "gosu." Xetabm-OC keeps practicing, ignorant of any capitalist gains.
Who would you say is the better player? And surely there is some jealousy here, but I would say a lot of the really strong players who have struggled through Koreans at ICCup are very mad that he "cheated" to make himself look good. If Combat-Ex routinely beats D/d- but loses to c-/c and dodges games when people challenge him that are c/c+, he's probably d+, not the b- he claims.
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Ouga your a fucking moron qtf.
Keep in mind it's me defending a _stranger_ to me here
So you randomly decide to take the side of a proven abuser? That just shows how fucking retarded you are.
I don't see sign of that either. Admins probably removed those games, but I understood he said himself he took 3 freewins. Obviously it doesn't matter whether you take freewins or just play -3rank lowers to gain +25 per win: on a long run you're destined to go up in ranks. I never said that account's games looked all that legit in terms of granting him recognition: several games against same guys in a row constantly (=what I referred as friends) or just lowrankbashing. I understand people considering this pathetic for doing that since so do I, but it's not cheating, nor does it automatically mean his "real" rank is something like D+ as many have stated. His ways just look lame, and if he brags about that account's B- on this season it's of course fcked up, but people have gone just offtopic and bashing him for absolutely anything: even for RL voice. Come on?
First of all he took more then 3 wins from accounts koltz and infinity-ex even if he wont admit it
Secondly do you even understand what a ladder is? Its not against the rules to play low ranks but it is abuse and to brag about something that hasnt been achieved legitimentaly is bullshit.
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On July 31 2008 04:50 Ouga wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2008 04:04 ser23 wrote:
i think u are drunk and really dumb to say something like that, i used to watch his videos but just for entertainment, but not anymore for what just happen (thanks TL for comin up with this topic). i think everyone knows what iccup is, so get over urself who do u think u are to say no one knows that B is higher than D. I dont live in europe or the us and i know how they grade and i think everyone with a brain (obviously u dont use yours) knows how this works.
U are insultin the people who watch this videos by sayin they dont know B is better than D. U are an ignorant. Lesson in netetiquette: stands for a *wink* meaning you shouldn't take every word LITERALLY. But after reading your post I already feel dumb for having tried writing in a form that you lack common understanding of.
You're an idiot
Take that literally though, I mean it.
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Calgary26003 Posts
Alright I think this thread has just about run its course...
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CA10835 Posts
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But...but..where's Daigomi's post O_O
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Calgary26003 Posts
Yea. Things play out exactly as you expected:
- Combat comes back with explanations for some of the accusations.
- TL chastizes Combat and doesn't buy it.
- SC2GG and the Youtube community largely welcome him back with open arms.
- SC2GG's official stance for now is to dissociate with Combat; whether that sticks we'll have to see (I highly doubt it).
Nothing's going to chance. People's minds are largely made up and this thread is uesless.
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