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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Democracy is a political extension of capitalism. Mistakes and bad decisions are bound to happen, but the guiding principle is that they will be self corrected by the people exerting what they want. No true democracies actually exist, but the point is the same. Democracy is effective, despite human error, because eventually we recognize and correct those errors. Or hopefully, that's what happens. An error free system is impossible until everyone's dead. | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
On May 05 2008 10:07 Jibba wrote: Yeah, and that's what I was criticizing him for. And I thought he was asking for information/ discussion in the very post you attacked. Strange... I wonder how effective democracy can be under these circumstances. Not that I see alternative systems, nor would I exclude other western states from this criticism. The market is supposed to correct itself. Ouch. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Good sign even though it was less than 1,000 polled. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On May 05 2008 10:17 Jibba wrote: Democracy is a political extension of capitalism. Mistakes and bad decisions are bound to happen, but the guiding principle is that they will be self corrected by the people exerting what they want. No true democracies actually exist, but the point is the same. Democracy is effective, despite human error, because eventually we recognize and correct those errors. Or hopefully, that's what happens. An error free system is impossible until everyone's dead. except the 'market' is defined narrowly to exclude government and social efforts. it is a word created to privilege certain types of activity in certain theories of political economy. it will lose meaning if you expand it to mean 'the people.' anyway, the market does not correct itself, rather it is a dynamic that may be interpreted as constantly in the process of correcting itself but never reaching the correction. there will be persistent flaws like eddies in a stream that has the same structure but are circulated by different water molecules. the fact of social ills is persistent in market economies and social programs are helpful here. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On May 05 2008 10:17 Jibba wrote: Democracy is a political extension of capitalism. i didnt know ... | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 05 2008 14:44 oneofthem wrote: except the 'market' is defined narrowly to exclude government and social efforts. it is a word created to privilege certain types of activity in certain theories of political economy. it will lose meaning if you expand it to mean 'the people.' anyway, the market does not correct itself, rather it is a dynamic that may be interpreted as constantly in the process of correcting itself but never reaching the correction. there will be persistent flaws like eddies in a stream that has the same structure but are circulated by different water molecules. the fact of social ills is persistent in market economies and social programs are helpful here. I used it as an analogy for democracy, not as the actual market. And of course it never reaches the full correction, but it still self corrects. BTW, Hillary is about to kill her own campaign with the holiday gas tax, especially since Obama has experience with it. “I’m not going to put my lot in with economists,” Clinton told George Stephanopolous on ABC’s ‘This Week’ after he asked her to name a single economist supporting her plan. Sounds great... | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
i have no idea of the context of that analogy, so w/e. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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a-game
Canada5214 Posts
tomorrow indiana and north carolina go to the polls | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32165 Posts
God, she's a cunt. To get to the juice of it.... STEPHANOPOULOS: Can you name one economist, a credible economist who supports the suspension? CLINTON: Well, you know, George, I think we've been for the last seven years seeing a tremendous amount of government power and elite opinion basically behind policies that haven't worked well for the middle class and hard-working Americans.... STEPHANOPOULOS: But can you name an economist who thinks this makes sense? CLINTON: Well, I'll tell you what, I'm not going to put my lot in with economists, because I know if we get it right, if we actually did it right, if we had a president who used all the tools of the presidency, we would design it in such a way that it would be implemented effectively. /facepalm Weve already got one president who ignore professionals and does what he wants. We dont need a second. | ||
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a-game
Canada5214 Posts
CLINTON: Well, I'll tell you what, I'm not going to put my lot in with economists ooh that quote could be really used against her during a recession | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Also Clinton supports the Gas tax or w/e it's called, and her own party doesn't even support it. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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a-game
Canada5214 Posts
RATM rules! | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7232 Posts
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NovaTheFeared
United States7232 Posts
Was Rev. Wright an important issue in your vote? 48% Yes 50% No Has the economic slowdown affected you? Yes 54% Clinton 46% Obama No 54% Obama 46% Clinton Indiana, Clinton Supporters: In a matchup with Obama and McCain in Nov. how would you vote: 48% Obama 33% McCain 17% Would not vote NC, Clinton Supporters same question: 45% Obama 38% McCain 12% Would not vote Indiana, Obama Supporters: In a matchup with Clinton and McCain in Nov. how would you vote: 59% Clinton 21% McCain 17% Would not vote NC, Obama supporters same question: 70% Clinton 14% Would not vote 12% McCain 5 minutes until the first set of polls close. Indiana is weird in that it has 2 time zones so some will close an hour later. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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NovaTheFeared
United States7232 Posts
Clinton 57% 102k Obama 43% 78k | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
edit: He seems to be losing quite badly in Indiana  | ||
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