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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
January 22 2008 04:57 GMT
#101
Can anyone else believe what hillary was saying during the cnn debates?

wow
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 22 2008 20:02 GMT
#102
Fred Thompson is out.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32135 Posts
January 22 2008 20:23 GMT
#103
On January 22 2008 13:57 fusionsdf wrote:
Can anyone else believe what hillary was saying during the cnn debates?

wow



Didn't catch it, what happened??
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5204 Posts
January 23 2008 08:29 GMT
#104
On January 23 2008 05:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Fred Thompson is out.

about time haha
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5204 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-23 12:15:52
January 23 2008 12:14 GMT
#105
this article matches exactly what i've been thinking the last few weeks. the clinton's love the fact that this has become a racially charged nomination, and it also reinforces my opinion that losing nevada was at the same time, losing the nomination for obama

http://thehill.com/dick-morris/how-clinton-will-win-the-nomination-by-losing-s.c.-2008-01-23.html

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How Clinton will win the nomination by losing S.C.

Hillary Clinton will undoubtedly lose the South Carolina primary as African-Americans line up to vote for Barack Obama. And that defeat will power her drive to the nomination.

The Clintons are encouraging the national media to disregard the whites who vote in South Carolina’s Democratic primary and focus on the black turnout, which is expected to be quite large. They have transformed South Carolina into Washington, D.C. — an all-black primary that tells us how the African-American vote is going to go.

By saying he will go door to door in black neighborhoods in South Carolina matching his civil rights record against Obama’s, Bill Clinton emphasizes the pivotal role the black vote will play in the contest. And by openly matching his record on race with that of the black candidate, he invites more and more scrutiny focused on the race issue.

Of course, Clinton is going to lose that battle. Blacks in Nevada overwhelmingly backed Obama and will obviously do so again in South Carolina, no matter how loudly former President Clinton protests. So why is he making such a fuss over a contest he knows he’s going to lose?

Precisely because he is going to lose it. If Hillary loses South Carolina and the defeat serves to demonstrate Obama’s ability to attract a bloc vote among black Democrats, the message will go out loud and clear to white voters that this is a racial fight. It’s one thing for polls to show, as they now do, that Obama beats Hillary among African-Americans by better than 4-to-1 and Hillary carries whites by almost 2-to-1. But most people don’t read the fine print on the polls. But if blacks deliver South Carolina to Obama, everybody will know that they are bloc-voting. That will trigger a massive white backlash against Obama and will drive white voters to Hillary Clinton.

Obama has done everything he possibly could to keep race out of this election. And the Clintons attracted national scorn when they tried to bring it back in by attempting to minimize the role Martin Luther King Jr. played in the civil rights movement. But here they have a way of appearing to seek the black vote, losing it, and getting their white backlash, all without any fingerprints showing. The more President Clinton begs black voters to back his wife, and the more they spurn her, the more the election becomes about race — and Obama ultimately loses.

Because they have such plans for South Carolina, the Clintons were desperate to win in Nevada. They dared not lose two primaries in a row leading up to Florida. But now they can lose South Carolina with impunity, having won in Nevada.

But don’t look for them to walk away from South Carolina. Their love needs to appear to have been unrequited by the black community for their rejection to seem so unfair that it triggers a white backlash. In this kind of ricochet politics, you have to lose openly and publicly in order to win the next round. And since the next round consists of all the important and big states, polarizing the contest into whites versus blacks will work just fine for Hillary.

Of course, this begs the question of how she will be able to attract blacks after beating Obama. Here the South Carolina strategy also serves its purpose. If she loses blacks and wins whites by attacking Obama, it will look dirty and underhanded to blacks. She’ll develop a real problem in the minority community. But if she is seen as being rejected by minority voters in favor of Obama after going hat in hand to them and trying to out-civil rights Obama, blacks will even likely feel guilty about rejecting Hillary and will be more than willing to support her in the general election.
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19138 Posts
January 23 2008 12:27 GMT
#106
I'm just rooting for Clinton in the hope that Bill rules through her as his dickpuppet!

Rawrr!!
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36399 Posts
January 23 2008 12:28 GMT
#107
i think someone for next halloween should get a suit and some claws and go as "Baraka Obama"
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dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
January 23 2008 16:11 GMT
#108
i prefer someone dressed up as a white house intern with a sign that says "do me"
...from the land of imba
Tusk
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada427 Posts
January 23 2008 16:39 GMT
#109
On January 23 2008 17:29 a-game wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2008 05:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Fred Thompson is out.

about time haha



Too bad.


Would have been nice to have had a hot first lady.

BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
January 23 2008 17:26 GMT
#110
Dennis Kucinich is still in

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dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
January 23 2008 18:30 GMT
#111
is that his wife or his granddaughter?
...from the land of imba
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
January 23 2008 19:09 GMT
#112
The Republican field is narrowing sharply after South Carolina. Thompson and Hunter are both out officially. Huckabee is no longer in the first tier since he has shown no ability to reach outside purely evangelicals. He will try to compete in some southern states and might win some delegates but he'll never have a majority. At best he can get VP now. Giuliani's strategy to skip everything and lose to even Ron Paul in the early primaries has hurt his only chance of a win in Florida. The latest Rasmussen poll I saw for Florida had him in 3rd. Florida is to Giuliani as SC was to Thompson, without it he has nowhere to go.

That leaves Romney and McCain as the two likeliest Republican candidates. Polls in hypothetical head to head matchups say McCain would be the stronger, but if the economy is the biggest issue in '08 Romney's experience in business might be big.
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5204 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-23 21:43:58
January 23 2008 20:56 GMT
#113
you know hillary's pretty much become the dem front runner, i'm a bit curious as to why the republicans haven't addressed her much.

they haven't really been using her and saying "i'm the one that can beat her" etc etc. i guess we might see some of that starting with the florida debate

edit: wow florida is looking a little closer these days

current prediction market percentages:
John McCain 46.0
Mitt Romney 42.5

edit2: wow ron paul has received over a hundred thousand votes so far, you really have to wonder how much of those votes would have gone to obama
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5204 Posts
January 25 2008 11:50 GMT
#114
intrade currently widely predicts romney winning florida. that would set the republican race back at 0 kind of eh
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14911 Posts
January 25 2008 18:57 GMT
#115
Kunicich is out, he might not even win re-election in his congressional district
he has bigger things to worry about than a long shot at the presidency
Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
January 25 2008 19:14 GMT
#116
That's because Kucinich is a tree hugging liberal, way to radical for his own sake.

On topic, I feel worried that Hillary will lose the black vote in the general election and make either romney or McCain the new president, thus keeping us in Iraq for 100 years...
My dealer is my best friend, and we don't even chill.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32135 Posts
January 25 2008 19:16 GMT
#117
On January 24 2008 05:56 a-game wrote:


edit2: wow ron paul has received over a hundred thousand votes so far, you really have to wonder how much of those votes would have gone to obama


what makes you think they woulda gone to obama? he is running on the republican ticket, correct?
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Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
January 25 2008 19:28 GMT
#118
Some of the primaries are open and independents can vote.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32135 Posts
January 25 2008 20:00 GMT
#119
Yeah, I know that Klogon, but what I'm saying is what makes you think that those votes are necessarily getting sucked away from Obama and not some republican guy? Paul is on their ticket and definitely has a lot of conservative views
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ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
January 25 2008 22:41 GMT
#120
On January 24 2008 02:26 BlackJack wrote:
Dennis Kucinich is still in

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i thought he was out ooa
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