• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:47
CET 06:47
KST 14:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down14ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League75Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands
External Content
Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 548 Shining Bright Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror
Brood War
General
Recent recommended BW games Oceanic Brood War - Join and chat! Bot on ladder BW General Discussion Sagi.gg Launcher Released
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [ASL22] Grand Finals [BSL23] RO24 Group C
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8949 users

[WoW] Battle for Azeroth - Page 425

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 423 424 425 426 427 541 Next
BfA Community Links:
GP : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/KKMpKPSlgd?region=EU&faction=Horde
TLEUH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/v9x5bAF3jD?region=EU&faction=Horde
TLEUA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/ALwgJnC5Wo?region=EU&faction=Alliance
TLNAH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/vPrmjJxiVnJ?region=US&faction=Horde
TLNAA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/YeZj7P0SXLn?region=US&faction=Alliance
Bnet: Bnet - https://blizzard.com/invite/amvLM0EubJv

On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote:
I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother.

Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion.

Form
Spreadsheet

If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 10 2018 17:03 GMT
#8481
What was the thinking behind all the GCD changes? It changed melee character and tank fluid feel and ease of use so much.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
August 10 2018 17:23 GMT
#8482
On August 10 2018 18:03 Velr wrote:
Jaina was just oom.

I found the event very boring to play from horde side... But the Ship actually made me laugh.


It's even worse for me, my first encounter for that part of the cinematic was a meme set to music, so now all I can hear is that track. It was linked on here somewhere I think.

I think TV tropes calls it 'narm charm'. Goofy as fuck, yet so goofy, it manages to punch right through back into awesome.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22675 Posts
August 10 2018 19:12 GMT
#8483
On August 11 2018 02:03 Danglars wrote:
What was the thinking behind all the GCD changes? It changed melee character and tank fluid feel and ease of use so much.

I don't know if any real official reason was ever given but I suspect a large part it of was macroing all your dps increase cooldowns to 1 button and 'popping off'. Especially a problem in PvP.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-10 20:26:40
August 10 2018 20:22 GMT
#8484
On August 11 2018 04:12 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2018 02:03 Danglars wrote:
What was the thinking behind all the GCD changes? It changed melee character and tank fluid feel and ease of use so much.

I don't know if any real official reason was ever given but I suspect a large part it of was macroing all your dps increase cooldowns to 1 button and 'popping off'. Especially a problem in PvP.


I dont mind it, I feel like nearly every class had an I win macro and while macros are a fun part of the game it dumbed down the gameplay alot and it also made alot of your performance very "all inish".

It does feel a bit wonky though. Been playing alot WW and using TOD Xuen and Serenity (when needed) felt really awful to start with but if its the same boat for everyone else its fine with it. Doesnt bother me on the mage DH or Shaman to much.

The problem is that its very unforgiving to use defensive and utility CD's and thats just fucking stupid. After conditioning people to go ham on DPS you are now forcing a community to reset their psyche in the era of WLogs.

One of the best things about my old guild and why we were successful on a light raiding schedule was that the analysis didnt end or start with damage but thats not how this community operates anymore.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22675 Posts
August 10 2018 21:47 GMT
#8485
(most) defensives shouldn't be on the GCD. They initially did this but it was reverted precisely because it discouraged using defensives to maintain 'optimal' dps.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
August 10 2018 23:54 GMT
#8486
On August 10 2018 14:22 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2018 01:23 rjor2 wrote:
Just a summary of community links:
GP : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/KKMpKPSlgd?region=EU&faction=Horde
TLEUH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/v9x5bAF3jD?region=EU&faction=Horde
TLEUA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/ALwgJnC5Wo?region=EU&faction=Alliance
TLNAH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/vPrmjJxiVnJ?region=US&faction=Horde
TLNAA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/YeZj7P0SXLn?region=US&faction=Alliance
Bnet: Bnet - https://blizzard.com/invite/amvLM0EubJv

It is a bit annoying that you have to do these for each character.

Also the bnet invition link is expired.


K so i checked, its not expired. Its probably seperate for NA and EU.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
August 11 2018 01:07 GMT
#8487
NA Alliance community is bumpin...

By the way, I'm living in Tokyo now and I have a lower ms connecting to Los Angeles servers than to Sydney servers... any idea why that might be?

I guess they are almost the same distance... but Sydney is a bit closer.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-11 07:28:44
August 11 2018 07:19 GMT
#8488
On August 11 2018 06:47 Gorsameth wrote:
(most) defensives shouldn't be on the GCD. They initially did this but it was reverted precisely because it discouraged using defensives to maintain 'optimal' dps.


Fiery brand (veng DH active mitigation) is on the GCD

Darkness is on a locked 1.5 second GCD not affected by haste so we can be spamming 0.8 sec GCD's with our haste cooldowns/buffs but we press Darkness and have to wait 1.5 seconds before doing anything

Vengeful Retreat is on GCD, used every 20 seconds to apply a buff for resource generation in order to deal damage. This is just like Feral druid's TF - it's actually used 1.5x more often - and TF was taken off of the GCD but VR wasn't. Why?

These three additions strike me as particularly odd. There may be more examples from other classes.


By the way, I'm living in Tokyo now and I have a lower ms connecting to Los Angeles servers than to Sydney servers... any idea why that might be?

I guess they are almost the same distance... but Sydney is a bit closer.


A good portion of the cross-continental latency is due to routing rather than just raw distance. It's easy to ping 5000km one way and get a far lower ping than 5000km the other way
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
August 11 2018 07:28 GMT
#8489
On August 11 2018 16:19 Cyro wrote:

Show nested quote +

By the way, I'm living in Tokyo now and I have a lower ms connecting to Los Angeles servers than to Sydney servers... any idea why that might be?

I guess they are almost the same distance... but Sydney is a bit closer.


A good portion of the cross-continental latency is due to routing rather than just raw distance. It's easy to ping 5000km one way and get a far lower ping than 5000km the other way


yeah makes sense. I wish I spoke Korean...
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
August 11 2018 07:43 GMT
#8490
On August 11 2018 10:07 Popkiller wrote:
NA Alliance community is bumpin...


Yellz yea it is. I added my primary toons
I can take that responsibility.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-11 10:13:57
August 11 2018 09:18 GMT
#8491
Two days! (+12 hours and 40 minutes)

--

This is WOD 10/10 vs Legion 10/10 view distance when flying over Stormheim
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]
[image loading]
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
August 11 2018 13:20 GMT
#8492
On August 11 2018 16:19 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2018 06:47 Gorsameth wrote:
(most) defensives shouldn't be on the GCD. They initially did this but it was reverted precisely because it discouraged using defensives to maintain 'optimal' dps.


Fiery brand (veng DH active mitigation) is on the GCD

Darkness is on a locked 1.5 second GCD not affected by haste so we can be spamming 0.8 sec GCD's with our haste cooldowns/buffs but we press Darkness and have to wait 1.5 seconds before doing anything

Vengeful Retreat is on GCD, used every 20 seconds to apply a buff for resource generation in order to deal damage. This is just like Feral druid's TF - it's actually used 1.5x more often - and TF was taken off of the GCD but VR wasn't. Why?

These three additions strike me as particularly odd. There may be more examples from other classes.


Demon Spikes is the Veng DH general purpose AM, and I don't think its on the GCD.

Fiery Brand has a longer cooldown and is a larger reduction for less common, hard-hitting abilities.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-11 15:36:33
August 11 2018 15:32 GMT
#8493
On August 11 2018 22:20 Popkiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2018 16:19 Cyro wrote:
On August 11 2018 06:47 Gorsameth wrote:
(most) defensives shouldn't be on the GCD. They initially did this but it was reverted precisely because it discouraged using defensives to maintain 'optimal' dps.


Fiery brand (veng DH active mitigation) is on the GCD

Darkness is on a locked 1.5 second GCD not affected by haste so we can be spamming 0.8 sec GCD's with our haste cooldowns/buffs but we press Darkness and have to wait 1.5 seconds before doing anything

Vengeful Retreat is on GCD, used every 20 seconds to apply a buff for resource generation in order to deal damage. This is just like Feral druid's TF - it's actually used 1.5x more often - and TF was taken off of the GCD but VR wasn't. Why?

These three additions strike me as particularly odd. There may be more examples from other classes.


Demon Spikes is the Veng DH general purpose AM, and I don't think its on the GCD.

Fiery Brand has a longer cooldown and is a larger reduction for less common, hard-hitting abilities.


It still has 13.33% uptime

They took a mobility/offensive hybrid ability off the GCD for a tank and left Brand on there
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
August 11 2018 16:03 GMT
#8494
On August 11 2018 10:07 Popkiller wrote:
NA Alliance community is bumpin...

By the way, I'm living in Tokyo now and I have a lower ms connecting to Los Angeles servers than to Sydney servers... any idea why that might be?

I guess they are almost the same distance... but Sydney is a bit closer.

Starting this week, I'll be playing a lot more and would be more than willing to organize NA alliance stuff once the leveling rush is over if anyone wants.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
rjor2
Profile Joined July 2018
10 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-11 18:05:18
August 11 2018 18:05 GMT
#8495
On August 11 2018 18:18 Cyro wrote:
Two days! (+12 hours and 40 minutes)



Getting Excited Too! Most people going ham and playing straight at launch?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22675 Posts
August 11 2018 18:12 GMT
#8496
Last time I didn't bother with the midnight playing and just woke up earlier in the morning to play all day.
Avoids any problems at launch time itself and 5-6 am is still well before the crowds get in.

With the global release tho, if your American I guess your fucked? Since I think it launches at like prime time there. Might aswell play a couple of hours then, assuming the servers hold.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6333 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-11 18:33:32
August 11 2018 18:25 GMT
#8497
I'm wondering, was a big if not full WoW engine overhaul ever on Blizzard's table?
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-11 21:17:53
August 11 2018 21:16 GMT
#8498
On August 12 2018 03:05 rjor2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2018 18:18 Cyro wrote:
Two days! (+12 hours and 40 minutes)



Getting Excited Too! Most people going ham and playing straight at launch?


Will prob wake up some time monday (release @ 11pm) and go to bed wednesday. I won't be amazingly efficient but i'l have a lot of fun at least
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24805 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-11 21:19:55
August 11 2018 21:19 GMT
#8499
It comes out right when I get home from work, and I'm taking the following day off since I have use or lose leave to burn. Never though I'd take off from work for a videogame release but the timing is just perfect.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
August 11 2018 22:03 GMT
#8500
Ill probably take the next day off Aswell just because...
Prev 1 423 424 425 426 427 541 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 13m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft501
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2455
GuemChi 1662
Leta 289
ProTech161
ZergMaN 32
Noble 15
Icarus 10
League of Legends
Doublelift4590
JimRising 703
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox617
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr42
Other Games
summit1g8194
PiGStarcraft222
NeuroSwarm105
RuFF_SC286
Sick39
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick633
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 43
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2139
League of Legends
• Stunt449
Other Games
• Scarra743
• Shiphtur579
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5h 13m
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
18h 13m
The PondCast
1d 4h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 5h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
OSC
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
GSL
3 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Epic.LAN
4 days
Yamato Cup
5 days
Map Test Tournament
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Rogue vs Classic
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSC
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.