On February 23 2014 08:34 zeo wrote: Berkut from Sevastopol receiving a hero's welcome upon returning home from Kiev:
Look at how the guys' in masks' eyes dart in shame. I'd be embarrassed by this too. The guys' speech is hilarious too. "We know you guys werent there to defend Yanukovich's stolen millions, but he betrayed you. Well Sevatopol wont betray you the way Yanukovich has" classic. Zoe you should really learn Russian, it would help you post videos that maybe help you propagandize for Russia a bit easier, some of these things they say, they dont sounds so good for your boy.
On February 23 2014 07:36 BuddhaMonk wrote: I wonder what would happen in Washington if violent foreign supported protesters were attacking police and demanding Obama resign?
If they were violet they would be subdues with non violent method's and no one would complain about it, other then the protesters probably.
Lets not forget the situations that made the protest go the way it did.
There were peaceful protests. They were made illegal. Police tried to remove the now illegal protests. Protesters fought back. Police turn to guns. Some Protests turn to guns.
If the protests weren't declared illegal its likely that this would have never turned violent in the first place.
Sorry but your chronology is just simplistic and inaccurate. A radical element of the protestors were being violent, including attacking and killing police officers long before these latest incidents.
I am sure you have a nice photoshop of it too. Those Nazi worshipers and their obsession with joining the 4th Reich that is the EU where all minorities are exterminated.
I genuinely don't know what you're talking about. Do you disagree that there was a radical violent element of the protestors from the beginning or not?
On February 23 2014 08:34 zeo wrote: Berkut from Sevastopol receiving a hero's welcome upon returning home from Kiev: www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvhvyr7evQg
Look at how the guys' in masks' eyes dart in shame. I'd be embarrassed by this too. The guys' speech is hilarious too. "We know you guys werent there to defend Yanukovich's stolen millions, but he betrayed you. Well Sevatopol wont betray you the way Yanukovich has" classic. Zoe you should really learn Russian, it would help you post videos that maybe help you propagandize for Russia a bit easier, some of these things they say, they dont sounds so good for your boy.
On February 23 2014 08:34 zeo wrote: Berkut from Sevastopol receiving a hero's welcome upon returning home from Kiev: www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvhvyr7evQg
Look at how the guys' in masks' eyes dart in shame. I'd be embarrassed by this too. The guys' speech is hilarious too. "We know you guys werent there to defend Yanukovich's stolen millions, but he betrayed you. Well Sevatopol wont betray you the way Yanukovich has" classic. Zoe you should really learn Russian, it would help you post videos that maybe help you propagandize for Russia a bit easier, some of these things they say, they dont sounds so good for your boy.
Who's boy? What boy?
Well since you are repeating Yanukovich's stance that this is a coup by fascist genociders obviously he is your boy. Its awkward though when propaganda from the most pro-Russian province in Ukraine agrees that he is a corrupt thief huh.
On February 23 2014 08:34 zeo wrote: Berkut from Sevastopol receiving a hero's welcome upon returning home from Kiev: www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvhvyr7evQg
Look at how the guys' in masks' eyes dart in shame. I'd be embarrassed by this too. The guys' speech is hilarious too. "We know you guys werent there to defend Yanukovich's stolen millions, but he betrayed you. Well Sevatopol wont betray you the way Yanukovich has" classic. Zoe you should really learn Russian, it would help you post videos that maybe help you propagandize for Russia a bit easier, some of these things they say, they dont sounds so good for your boy.
Who's boy? What boy?
Well since you are repeating Yanukovich's stance that this is a coup by fascist genociders obviously he is your boy. Its awkward though when propaganda from the most pro-Russian province in Ukraine agrees that he is a corrupt thief huh.
Not to mention that he was imprisoned four years for assault two times, has degrees and titles from nonexistent institutions and was charged with fraud and falsification of documents like a thousand times. How the fuck does somebody like that actually become head of state.
What the hell does 'foreign supported' even mean in your eyes?
Any money the EU funnels into places like the ukraine are for building democratic institutions, unlike russia who'll just blatantly support anyone with anything ranging from weapons to bags of unmarked bills. You don't see the EU calling for violent revolution against the regime, while you do see putin and his cronies asking for a beatdown on protestors. You're comparing a largely democratic institutions against a one man govt. I know what side I'd rather be on.
On February 23 2014 08:34 zeo wrote: Berkut from Sevastopol receiving a hero's welcome upon returning home from Kiev: www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvhvyr7evQg
Look at how the guys' in masks' eyes dart in shame. I'd be embarrassed by this too. The guys' speech is hilarious too. "We know you guys werent there to defend Yanukovich's stolen millions, but he betrayed you. Well Sevatopol wont betray you the way Yanukovich has" classic. Zoe you should really learn Russian, it would help you post videos that maybe help you propagandize for Russia a bit easier, some of these things they say, they dont sounds so good for your boy.
Who's boy? What boy?
Well since you are repeating Yanukovich's stance that this is a coup by fascist genociders obviously he is your boy. Its awkward though when propaganda from the most pro-Russian province in Ukraine agrees that he is a corrupt thief huh.
Not to mention that he was imprisoned four years for assault two times, has degrees and titles from nonexistent institutions and was charged with fraud and falsification of documents like a thousand times. How the fuck does somebody like that actually become head of state.
When there's something terribly wrong with the underlying population.
On February 23 2014 08:34 zeo wrote: Berkut from Sevastopol receiving a hero's welcome upon returning home from Kiev: www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvhvyr7evQg
Look at how the guys' in masks' eyes dart in shame. I'd be embarrassed by this too. The guys' speech is hilarious too. "We know you guys werent there to defend Yanukovich's stolen millions, but he betrayed you. Well Sevatopol wont betray you the way Yanukovich has" classic. Zoe you should really learn Russian, it would help you post videos that maybe help you propagandize for Russia a bit easier, some of these things they say, they dont sounds so good for your boy.
Who's boy? What boy?
Well since you are repeating Yanukovich's stance that this is a coup by fascist genociders obviously he is your boy. Its awkward though when propaganda from the most pro-Russian province in Ukraine agrees that he is a corrupt thief huh.
Fuck Yanukovych, what leader negotiates, or even worse lets his government get overrun by bandits? The people of eastern Ukraine have a lot more things to worry about than that stooge.
On February 23 2014 08:52 Derez wrote: What the hell does 'foreign supported' even mean in your eyes?
Any money the EU funnels into places like the ukraine are for building democratic institutions, unlike russia who'll just blatantly support anyone with anything ranging from weapons to bags of unmarked bills. You don't see the EU calling for violent revolution against the regime, while you do see putin and his cronies asking for a beatdown on protestors. You're comparing a largely democratic institutions against a one man govt. I know what side I'd rather be on.
I don't believe you wrote that with a straight face.
Give me one example of a public statement where anyone representing the EU calls for violent revolution and I'll change my mind. All you'll find is pleas for both sides to stop the violence while supporting the right of the population to protest their govt, which is a basic democratic right.
On February 23 2014 08:34 zeo wrote: Berkut from Sevastopol receiving a hero's welcome upon returning home from Kiev: www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvhvyr7evQg
Look at how the guys' in masks' eyes dart in shame. I'd be embarrassed by this too. The guys' speech is hilarious too. "We know you guys werent there to defend Yanukovich's stolen millions, but he betrayed you. Well Sevatopol wont betray you the way Yanukovich has" classic. Zoe you should really learn Russian, it would help you post videos that maybe help you propagandize for Russia a bit easier, some of these things they say, they dont sounds so good for your boy.
Who's boy? What boy?
Well since you are repeating Yanukovich's stance that this is a coup by fascist genociders obviously he is your boy. Its awkward though when propaganda from the most pro-Russian province in Ukraine agrees that he is a corrupt thief huh.
Fuck Yanukovych, what leader negotiates, or even worse lets his government get overrun by bandits? The people of eastern Ukraine have a lot more things to worry about than that stooge.
On February 23 2014 08:52 Derez wrote: What the hell does 'foreign supported' even mean in your eyes?
Any money the EU funnels into places like the ukraine are for building democratic institutions, unlike russia who'll just blatantly support anyone with anything ranging from weapons to bags of unmarked bills. You don't see the EU calling for violent revolution against the regime, while you do see putin and his cronies asking for a beatdown on protestors. You're comparing a largely democratic institutions against a one man govt. I know what side I'd rather be on.
I don't believe you wrote that with a straight face.
Hoo and you call others fascists? With a straight face?
On February 23 2014 08:34 zeo wrote: Berkut from Sevastopol receiving a hero's welcome upon returning home from Kiev: www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvhvyr7evQg
Look at how the guys' in masks' eyes dart in shame. I'd be embarrassed by this too. The guys' speech is hilarious too. "We know you guys werent there to defend Yanukovich's stolen millions, but he betrayed you. Well Sevatopol wont betray you the way Yanukovich has" classic. Zoe you should really learn Russian, it would help you post videos that maybe help you propagandize for Russia a bit easier, some of these things they say, they dont sounds so good for your boy.
Who's boy? What boy?
Well since you are repeating Yanukovich's stance that this is a coup by fascist genociders obviously he is your boy. Its awkward though when propaganda from the most pro-Russian province in Ukraine agrees that he is a corrupt thief huh.
Fuck Yanukovych, what leader negotiates, or even worse lets his government get overrun by bandits? The people of eastern Ukraine have a lot more things to worry about than that stooge.
On February 23 2014 08:52 Derez wrote: What the hell does 'foreign supported' even mean in your eyes?
Any money the EU funnels into places like the ukraine are for building democratic institutions, unlike russia who'll just blatantly support anyone with anything ranging from weapons to bags of unmarked bills. You don't see the EU calling for violent revolution against the regime, while you do see putin and his cronies asking for a beatdown on protestors. You're comparing a largely democratic institutions against a one man govt. I know what side I'd rather be on.
I don't believe you wrote that with a straight face.
right. Yanukovich's problem was he was too liberal.
On February 23 2014 08:52 Derez wrote: What the hell does 'foreign supported' even mean in your eyes?
Any money the EU funnels into places like the ukraine are for building democratic institutions, unlike russia who'll just blatantly support anyone with anything ranging from weapons to bags of unmarked bills. You don't see the EU calling for violent revolution against the regime, while you do see putin and his cronies asking for a beatdown on protestors. You're comparing a largely democratic institutions against a one man govt. I know what side I'd rather be on.
poor country, efficient russian propaganda focusing on flaring up racial tension -- see for example zoe photo shopping Hitler into Kiev -- , and a heavily industrialized region that avoided any kind of post-soviet reforms -- save the transfer of the industries from the nominal rule of the state to the actual rule of the Presidents' billionaire supporters -- wholly depended on Russian market and Ukrainian state subsides for survival because it cannot function on the world stage despite an average Ukrainian worker being poorer than an average Cambodian worker (never mind an average Chinese worker!)
On February 23 2014 08:34 zeo wrote: Berkut from Sevastopol receiving a hero's welcome upon returning home from Kiev: www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvhvyr7evQg
Look at how the guys' in masks' eyes dart in shame. I'd be embarrassed by this too. The guys' speech is hilarious too. "We know you guys werent there to defend Yanukovich's stolen millions, but he betrayed you. Well Sevatopol wont betray you the way Yanukovich has" classic. Zoe you should really learn Russian, it would help you post videos that maybe help you propagandize for Russia a bit easier, some of these things they say, they dont sounds so good for your boy.
Who's boy? What boy?
Well since you are repeating Yanukovich's stance that this is a coup by fascist genociders obviously he is your boy. Its awkward though when propaganda from the most pro-Russian province in Ukraine agrees that he is a corrupt thief huh.
Fuck Yanukovych, what leader negotiates, or even worse lets his government get overrun by bandits? The people of eastern Ukraine have a lot more things to worry about than that stooge.
On February 23 2014 08:52 Derez wrote: What the hell does 'foreign supported' even mean in your eyes?
Any money the EU funnels into places like the ukraine are for building democratic institutions, unlike russia who'll just blatantly support anyone with anything ranging from weapons to bags of unmarked bills. You don't see the EU calling for violent revolution against the regime, while you do see putin and his cronies asking for a beatdown on protestors. You're comparing a largely democratic institutions against a one man govt. I know what side I'd rather be on.
I don't believe you wrote that with a straight face.
Hoo and you call others fascists? With a straight face?
Stalinist denomination communist by any chance?
Yanukovych is a weak leader who made bad desisions constantly just so he could cover his ass, and wave responsability. Now neo-nazi's patrol the streets of Kiev 'protecting' people. Of course he should be impeached.
Give me one example of a public statement where anyone representing the EU calls for violent revolution and I'll change my mind. All you'll find is pleas for both sides to stop the violence while supporting the right of the population to protest their govt, which is a basic democratic right.
Give me one example of a public statement where anyone representing the EU calls for violent revolution and I'll change my mind. All you'll find is pleas for both sides to stop the violence while supporting the right of the population to protest their govt, which is a basic democratic right.
Wherever John McCain sets foot, blood flows
Your best example is McCain as a EU representative? No wonder people don't take you seriously.
Give me one example of a public statement where anyone representing the EU calls for violent revolution and I'll change my mind. All you'll find is pleas for both sides to stop the violence while supporting the right of the population to protest their govt, which is a basic democratic right.
Wherever John McCain sets foot, blood flows
Your best example is McCain as a EU representative? No wonder people don't take you seriously.
Sigh. If you really think EU representatives coming to Kiev and giving their wholehearted support to the then peaceful protests, didn't automaticaly give these people a free ticket to go wild. Then nothing I or anyone else can say will convince you otherwise.
Give me one example of a public statement where anyone representing the EU calls for violent revolution and I'll change my mind. All you'll find is pleas for both sides to stop the violence while supporting the right of the population to protest their govt, which is a basic democratic right.
Wherever John McCain sets foot, blood flows
Your best example is McCain as a EU representative? No wonder people don't take you seriously.
Sigh. If you really think EU representatives coming to Kiev and giving their wholehearted support to the then peaceful protests, didn't automaticaly give these people a free ticket to go wild. Then nothing I or anyone else can say will convince you otherwise.
No nothing you say can convince us because your spouting bullshit.
On February 23 2014 03:13 zeo wrote: The president honored his side of the agreement and withdrew the police from the streets which the fascists used to take control of the city and parliament.
No he didn't. It was the Parliament who did that. The agreement came after that. Only after the Parliament basically took the arms away from the governmental forces and ordered them to go home did the real negotiations process begin. Before it Yanukovich wasn't willing to make any concessions.
And Yanukovich didn't honor the deal. He refused to sign any of the laws that were approved by the Parliament. That was the biggest reason behind his impeachment.
A parliament taken over by bandits is now illegalizing any form of resistance to banditry and releasing a convicted criminal who is not only (one of) the most corrupt politician in the country, but also tried to have her business rivals liquidated.
Oh please. Compared to Yanukovich and his team she is an angel.
Chief Rabbi of Ukraine urged Jews to leave Kiev, joining the exodus of people fleeing western cities into the east of the country caused by food shortages and the horrific security situation.
sources?
In the absence of any kind of rule of law the east of the country has taken the sovereignty of the nation into its own hands.
On February 23 2014 03:13 zeo wrote: The president honored his side of the agreement and withdrew the police from the streets which the fascists used to take control of the city and parliament.
No he didn't. It was the Parliament who did that. The agreement came after that. Only after the Parliament basically took the arms away from the governmental forces and ordered them to go home did the real negotiations process begin. Before it Yanukovich wasn't willing to make any concessions.
And Yanukovich didn't honor the deal. He refused to sign any of the laws that were approved by the Parliament. That was the biggest reason behind his impeachment.
A parliament taken over by bandits is now illegalizing any form of resistance to banditry and releasing a convicted criminal who is not only (one of) the most corrupt politician in the country, but also tried to have her business rivals liquidated.
Oh please. Compared to Yanukovich and his team she is an angel.
Chief Rabbi of Ukraine urged Jews to leave Kiev, joining the exodus of people fleeing western cities into the east of the country caused by food shortages and the horrific security situation.
Correction (Feb. 22, 4:20 P.M.): An earlier version of this report incorrectly described Rabbi Azman as the chief rabbi of Ukraine. Azman is not the country's chief rabbi, but one of two rabbis challenging the official chief rabbi, Yaakov Bleich, in Kiev, and like most Chabad rabbis, is aligned with the Kremlin.
And no, you are wrong Timoshenko is a crook. The only difference between her and Yanukovich is she hasnt ordered berkut to go killing people. But in any civilized country she would have been in jail for her activities in the 90s alone. She is like Eva Peron of Aregentina, if people elect her Ukraine is on the same path as Yanukovich put her on.
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