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Denmark1907 Posts
May 12 2014 13:27 GMT
#10521
CNN and maps... Hong Kong in southern Brazil? Tripoli in Lebanon? London in Norwich? Brussels in France? San Fransisco and Los Angeles swapping places? Jumbled France? Australia turned upside down? Perth in Tasmania?

Those are not even all just from the last couple of years. It is probably time for them to get some autocaptions on their maps and a little common sense in how to use maps.
Repeat before me
Mc
Profile Joined March 2010
332 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 13:48:14
May 12 2014 13:46 GMT
#10522
So an apartment block is blown up in Mikolaiv Ukraine (between Crimea and Odessa).

http://nikvesti.com/news/politics/53363

Cheerio, could you give some background/translation?

edit: According to Poroshenko , as the main cause of the explosion is considered a gas leak, although we can not exclude other causes in connection with the situation in the country.
5hh.gg
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 14:21:54
May 12 2014 13:50 GMT
#10523
Edit: Highlighted the important/surprising sentences. List of people to be leaked soon, I'm sure.
Edit 2: People in this thread need to figure out whether they want links or quoted articles... It's not fun spending my time editing for your viewing pleasure all the time. Spoilered the text now.


The Council adopted the following conclusions:
+ Show Spoiler +

"1. The European Union stands firm in upholding Ukraine's unity, sovereignty, independence and
territorial integrity and calls upon Russia to do likewise. The EU is alarmed by the continued
efforts by pro-Russian separatists to destabilise Eastern and Southern Ukraine. Continued
seizure of public buildings, kidnappings, killings and violation of media freedom by illegal
armed groups is unacceptable and must stop. The EU will not recognise yesterday's nor any
future illegitimate and illegal "referenda".


The tragic events in Odessa of 2 May with many dead and injured must be thoroughly
investigated and all those responsible brought to justice. The Council encourages the coverage
of this investigation by the Council of Europe's International Advisory Panel as a way to
ensure its independence and transparency.

2. The EU strongly supports the holding of free and fair Ukrainian Presidential elections on 25
May, and calls on all parties to do so, in order to overcome the crisis and allow the Ukrainian
people to choose their own future. The Council takes note of the recent declarations from the
President of the Russian Federation regarding the Presidential elections in Ukraine and
expects support for the holding of these elections on 25 May 2014. Ukrainian officials and
voters should be unimpeded in preparing for the elections, and all presidential candidates
should be ensured safe and secure conditions to campaign freely across the whole country.
To
this end, the Council encourages the presidential candidates to agree on a compact on
electoral conduct. The Council welcomes the deployment of the OSCE/ODIHR observation
mission in which the EU Member States will actively participate.

The Council encourages continuation of efforts by the Ukrainian authorities to reach out to all
regions of Ukraine within the framework of the envisaged national dialogue proposed by the
Ukrainian government, including the Government's steps towards inclusive all-Ukrainian
dialogue on the constitutional reform process. The rights of persons belonging to national
minorities need to be fully ensured in line with the relevant standards of the Council of
Europe.

3. The EU reconfirms its full commitment to the Geneva Joint Statement of 17 April on initial
concrete steps to de-escalate tensions and restore security for all citizens, and calls on all
parties involved in the Geneva meeting of 17 April to fully implement it. The Council
welcomes the efforts taken so far by the Ukrainian authorities to this end, including by
working towards constitutional reform and decentralization in a broad national dialogue and
proposing an amnesty law for those who will peacefully leave the buildings they have seized
in Eastern Ukraine. The Council encourages further work to this end. The Council also calls
on the Russian Federation to take effective steps with regard to fulfilling the commitments
taken in Geneva. The Council lends its support to a swift convening of a next meeting at
ministerial level in the Geneva format in order to ensure full implementation of the Statement
with the assistance of the OSCE.

4. In this context, the Council held today a fruitful exchange of views with the Chairman in
Office of the OSCE, Didier Burkhalter. The Council welcomes the presentation of the
proposals by the OSCE Chairmanship for Ukraine as well as of the Chairman's explanations
regarding its implementation. As part of the EU's efforts in the crisis, the Council welcomes
today's visit of President Van Rompuy to Kyiv. Furthermore, the High Representative and
Member States will continue undertaking the necessary contacts with all stakeholders
involved in order to bring forward a political solution to the crisis.

5. The European Union reiterates its demand to Russia to call back its troops from the Ukrainian
border and to immediately withdraw the mandate of the Federation Council to use force on
Ukrainian soil. It also condemns declarations and visits of high officials engaged in
supporting illegal attempts at separatism and thus contributing to heightening tensions in
Ukraine and other States in the region. The Council condemns any attempt to circumvent the
sanctions regime.
The EU calls upon all sides for restraint and for an end to violence and
provocations. The EU encourages the Ukrainian authorities to maintain their measured
approach in pursuing law and order operations and calls on all sides to the conflict to
contribute further to reducing tensions.

6. The EU commends the work already undertaken by the OSCE and its Special Monitoring
Mission, and encourages it to ensure effective operations throughout Ukraine, including
assistance in the implementation of the Geneva Joint Statement. The Council takes note of the
OSCE roadmap and fully supports the efforts undertaken by the OSCE and its CiO to
contribute to de-escalating and stabilising the situation through concrete steps including the
establishment of round tables while ensuring Ukrainian ownership. The EU and its Member
States will continue to provide support to the Special Monitoring Mission and call on all other
OSCE participating States to do the same. The Council welcomes the rapid expansion of the
Mission to the maximum number of monitors allowed under its mandate, calls for its rapid
deployment, and looks forward to the Memorandum of Understanding rapidly coming into
force. It encourages the OSCE to continue its support to the efforts of the Ukrainian
authorities to develop a national dialogue. The Council reiterates the concerns expressed by
representatives of the OSCE and the Council of Europe about current restrictions on their
ability to observe the situation in the area of human rights, including of persons belonging to
national minorities, in Crimea. The Council also encourages Ukraine to immediately develop
a national disarmament programme together with OSCE specialists targeting all illegally
armed groups throughout the country and to end all illegal occupation of public buildings and
squares.

7. The EU welcomes the release of the eight unarmed international military observers under the
OSCE Vienna Document, as well as of the Ukrainian military personnel accompanying them,
who had altogether been held hostage in Slovyansk for more than a week, and expresses its
gratitude to all those who have contributed to this positive development. This should now be
followed by the release of all other hostages still being held by illegal armed groups in
Eastern Ukraine.

8. The Council recalls its readiness to assist Ukraine in the field of civilian security sector
reform, including police and rule of law. In this regard, it welcomes the Political Framework
for Crisis Approach in Ukraine, submitted by the High Representative in response to its
conclusions of 14 April. As a next step, the Council tasks the EEAS to prepare a Crisis
Management Concept for a possible civilian CSDP mission in this field with a view to a
decision on further steps at its next meeting. The Council underlines the importance of
coordination and complementarity with OSCE and other international actors.

9. In light of the recent developments and in the absence of any steps towards de-escalation the
Council has agreed to expand the criteria allowing individuals and entities to be subject to
visa ban and asset freeze. This will notably allow for the possible listing of natural persons
responsible for actively supporting or implementing actions or policies which undermine the
territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence of Ukraine, or stability or security in
Ukraine, or which obstruct the work of international organisations in Ukraine, and natural or
legal persons, entities or bodies associated with them, or legal persons, entities or bodies in
Crimea or Sevastopol whose ownership has been transferred contrary to Ukrainian law, or
legal persons, entities or bodies which have benefited from such a transfer. The Council has
decided to add a new group of individuals and entities to the list of persons, entities and
bodies subject to restrictive measures.


The Council notes that the preparatory work by the Commission and Member States is
underway on possible targeted measures, as requested by the European Council in March, so
that further steps can be taken should events require.
The European Union will pay particular attention to all parties' attitude and behaviour towards
the holding of free and fair Presidential elections when deciding about possible future
measures.


10. The EU reiterates its strong condemnation of the illegal annexation of Crimea and Sevastopol
by the Russian Federation and will not recognise it. The EU notes with regret the presence of
President Putin at the military parade in Sevastopol on 9 May.
The Council welcomes the
Commission’s evaluation of the legal consequences of the annexation of Crimea and looks
forward to the Council and the Commission continuing their work with a view to the swift
implementation of proposals contained therein. These consequences could include but not be
limited to economic, trade, and financial measures. The Council calls on UN member states to
consider similar measures in line with UNGA Resolution 68/262.


The Council expresses its utmost concern about the deteriorating situation of the human rights
situation in Crimea, including the refusal of the right of the leader of the Crimean Tatars
Mustafa Dzhemilev to enter Crimea, as well as the warning issued by the de facto prosecutor
of Crimea that the national representation of Crimean Tatars Mejlis may be declared illegal
for "extremist actions".


11. The Council reiterates the EU's commitment to sign the remaining provisions of the
Association Agreement with Ukraine, including the Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade
Area, as soon as possible after the presidential elections on 25 May. The Council reiterates the
importance of the Autonomous Trade Preferences which entered into force in April, as a
temporary measure of support to Ukraine and a step leading towards the signing, provisional
application and implementation of the provisions on the DCFTA.

12. The Council welcomes the trilateral energy talks between Russia, Ukraine and the EU,
launched in Warsaw on 2 May, aimed at safeguarding the security of supply and transit of
natural gas to and through Ukraine on the basis of a transparent regime. Both sides, despite
differences between them, expressed their desire to discuss all open issues with the aim of
finding a solution by the end of this month. The Council encourages Ukraine and Russia to
find a comprehensive negotiated agreement ensuring energy supply to Ukraine on the basis of
a fair and transparent market price. In this context, the Council underlines the importance of
continuing energy sector reforms in Ukraine.

The Council also welcomes the signature of a Memorandum of Understanding and
Framework Interconnection Agreement between Eustream and Ukrtransgaz enabling gas
flows from Slovakia to Ukraine, which complements the already existing Hungarian and
Polish reverse flow capacities, and which shows the EU's strong commitment in support of
Ukraine's energy security sector. This is an important first step to diversify Ukraine’s sources
of gas supply and to contribute to greater energy security in Eastern Europe and effective
interconnections with and within the European Union as a whole. The Council recalls the
Conclusions by the European Council on 20-21 March 2014 calling on the Commission to
conduct an in-depth study of EU energy security.

13. The European Union welcomes the IMF Executive Board decision to approve a two-year
Stand-By Arrangement (SBA) for Ukraine of USD 17.1 billion. The authorities’ economic
programme supported by the Fund aims to restore macroeconomic stability, strengthen
economic governance and transparency, and launch sound and sustainable economic growth,
while protecting the most vulnerable. The approval of the SBA with fulfilment of the prior
actions, enables the immediate release of USD 3.19 billion, with about USD 2 billion being
allocated to budget support. While reiterating its strong support to Ukraine's economic and
financial stabilisation, the Council also welcomes the signing by the European Commission of
the Memorandum of Understanding on the new EUR 1 billion Macro-Financial Assistance
(MFA) loan programme to Ukraine. The Council looks forward to the release of the first
tranche of the two MFA loan programmes worth EUR 600 million, when all remaining steps
will be taken by the Ukrainian Government and the European Commission. The Council
reiterates that the Ukrainian Government must implement the reforms it has signed up to,
including the fight against corruption. The Council welcomes the adoption of a new State
Building Contract of EUR 355 million, accompanied by a EUR 10 million Civil Society
Support Programme, and looks forward to the signature of the Financing Agreement at the
occasion of the Ukrainian Government visit to the European Commission on 13 May.

Source.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 14:12:04
May 12 2014 14:11 GMT
#10524
Instead of copy pasting long sections in quote form, you can just put quotation nmarks round them, or just post the link.
Actualy just post the link next time.
Mc
Profile Joined March 2010
332 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 14:33:53
May 12 2014 14:17 GMT
#10525
use the spoiler tag

edit : Thanks ghan. By the way, I've been reading more of your twitter spam recently- maybe it's not that bad
5hh.gg
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 14:35:50
May 12 2014 14:35 GMT
#10526


Edit: thanks.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
May 12 2014 15:30 GMT
#10527
Strelok promoted himself to the General in Command of all military (and police) units in DNR. Also blamed Kyiv for waging genocide against Donbass, and asked Russia for the military intervention.

Gubarev has recently stated that Ahmetov is financing 2/3 of separatistic forces, but that he is far from their ideals, so they were making steps towards breaking his "system". Party of Regions answered the allegations in an agressive manner, by comparing Gubarev and his allies to bums, who came to the foreign territory and decided to claim it's independence under their own rule.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 12 2014 15:31 GMT
#10528
On May 12 2014 22:27 radiatoren wrote:
CNN and maps... Hong Kong in southern Brazil? Tripoli in Lebanon? London in Norwich? Brussels in France? San Fransisco and Los Angeles swapping places? Jumbled France? Australia turned upside down? Perth in Tasmania?

Those are not even all just from the last couple of years. It is probably time for them to get some autocaptions on their maps and a little common sense in how to use maps.

In fairness, there is a Tripoli in Lebanon :p
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
May 12 2014 15:35 GMT
#10529
On May 12 2014 22:46 Mc wrote:
So an apartment block is blown up in Mikolaiv Ukraine (between Crimea and Odessa).

http://nikvesti.com/news/politics/53363

Cheerio, could you give some background/translation?

edit: According to Poroshenko , as the main cause of the explosion is considered a gas leak, although we can not exclude other causes in connection with the situation in the country.

gas explosion, so far nothing to suggest otherwise.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
May 12 2014 21:09 GMT
#10530
I recommend everyone read the (admittedly lengthy) Human Rights report linked in the press release.

Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
May 13 2014 02:12 GMT
#10531
On May 13 2014 06:09 Ghanburighan wrote:
I recommend everyone read the (admittedly lengthy) Human Rights report linked in the press release.

https://twitter.com/usosce/status/465959687637442560

I find interesting the, on the first glance reasonable and matter-of-fact report, and completely political PR bullshit that is the US press release.
Mc
Profile Joined March 2010
332 Posts
May 13 2014 07:49 GMT
#10532


So remember the chubby blonde patriotic traveller? She pops up in random cities, claiming she's different people. Now she's in Moscow voting during the referendum...

So far she's been in :
Kharkov (source)
Sevastopol
Odessa
Moscow
and probably some other cities.

source:
http://euromaidanpr.com/2014/05/12/political-actress-spotted-again-during-luhansk-referendum/
5hh.gg
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-13 08:17:30
May 13 2014 08:16 GMT
#10533
So, Victor Orban decided to take part in partition of Ukraine (this is a slight exaggeration of course):

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/10/us-hungary-orban-idUSBREA4904X20140510
Mc
Profile Joined March 2010
332 Posts
May 13 2014 08:35 GMT
#10534
OK, all we need is Austria/Germany to jump on the boat and it's WWI recreated. Fuckin putin. He probably just shit his pants from joy.
5hh.gg
Uriel_SVK
Profile Joined April 2010
Slovakia427 Posts
May 13 2014 08:46 GMT
#10535
On May 13 2014 17:16 Roman666 wrote:
So, Victor Orban decided to take part in partition of Ukraine (this is a slight exaggeration of course):

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/10/us-hungary-orban-idUSBREA4904X20140510


Yeah just waiting till Hungary takes that russian protection of minorities in another countries as an example and sends their army to south slovakia ... again...
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
May 13 2014 09:02 GMT
#10536
On May 13 2014 17:46 Uriel_SVK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 17:16 Roman666 wrote:
So, Victor Orban decided to take part in partition of Ukraine (this is a slight exaggeration of course):

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/10/us-hungary-orban-idUSBREA4904X20140510


Yeah just waiting till Hungary takes that russian protection of minorities in another countries as an example and sends their army to south slovakia ... again...

they'll start with Romania for sure; at least based on the history they learn in schools.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Serpest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States603 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-13 09:09:16
May 13 2014 09:05 GMT
#10537
Eh, it's more to recognize the indemnities required by the 1920 Treaty of Trianon. Basically, Orban wants to recognize Hungarians who were living in the areas broken off from Hungary and given to Croatia, Romania, Slovakia, Serbia, etc. They're all EU countries, and this citizenship extension to ethnic Hungarians is a means of recognizing the loss of identity Hungarians living outside of Hungary back then suffered. Hungary and Romania in particular have a decent relationship that's really blossomed since 2000.

Tangent: Hungarians have an awful history/relationship with communism - extending from the country to their external minorities. They really don't like communists.

The article also notes that the PM Orban extends his support to the democratic Kiev and Ukraine.

EDIT: I'm not sure how I missed he also wants self administration. That's definitely what ties this article to the Ukraine Issue. Lol, Russia, I don't think you're going to like the results of this precedent in Ukraine and Crimea.
A person that attempts to diagnose themselves has a fool for a doctor and a bigger fool for a patient.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
May 13 2014 09:10 GMT
#10538
On May 13 2014 18:05 Serpest wrote:
Eh, it's more to recognize the indemnities required by the 1920 Treaty of Trianon. Basically, Orban wants to recognize Hungarians who were living in the areas broken off from Hungary and given to Croatia, Romania, Slovakia, Serbia, etc. They're all EU countries, and this citizenship extension to ethnic Hungarians is a means of recognizing the loss of identity Hungarians living outside of Hungary back then suffered. Hungary and Romania in particular have a decent relationship that's really blossomed since 2000.

Tangent: Hungarians have an awful history/relationship with communism - extending from the country to their external minorities. They really don't like communists.

The article also notes that the PM Orban extends his support to the democratic Kiev and Ukraine.


The problem is in the rhetoric. Orban has accepted Putin's claim that rather than respecting the sovereignty of nations, ethnicity is more important. So the government of the Russians can protect Russians no matter where they are, just as the gov. of the Hungarians can protect Hungarians. This effectively undermines the framework of international laws upon which the entire security architecture is built. Add to this that Hungary is one of the main objectors to any sanctions against Putin, we have a rat in our midst.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-13 09:10:57
May 13 2014 09:10 GMT
#10539
On May 13 2014 18:05 Serpest wrote:
Eh, it's more to recognize the indemnities required by the 1920 Treaty of Trianon. Basically, Orban wants to recognize Hungarians who were living in the areas broken off from Hungary and given to Croatia, Romania, Slovakia, Serbia, etc. They're all EU countries, and this citizenship extension to ethnic Hungarians is a means of recognizing the loss of identity Hungarians living outside of Hungary back then suffered. Hungary and Romania in particular have a very good relationship that's really blossomed since 2000.

Tangent: Hungarians have an awful history/relationship with communism - extending from the country to their external minorities. They really don't like communists.

The article also notes that the PM Orban extends his support to the democratic Kiev and Ukraine.

they'll never have autonomy within Romania, Slovakia, Ukraine or Serbia. that's calling for separation just as Putin is doing now in Ukraine
"Hungarians living in the Carpathian basin are entitled to have dual citizenship, are entitled to community rights, and also autonomy."
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Mc
Profile Joined March 2010
332 Posts
May 13 2014 09:54 GMT
#10540
Bets on Erdogan making a similar statement soon? I'll take 10/1.
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