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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
On May 12 2014 06:57 Xiphos wrote: Russia is seeking help from China for collaboration and is trying to rely less on the "west". Until Russia has major pipelines to China it has nothing to offer to Chinese. People also tend to forget who is the China's largest trading partner right now. If anyone thinks that current economic relations between USA and China could be unmade on a whim, is sadly mistaken. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Mc
332 Posts
On May 12 2014 07:03 Cheerio wrote: sekritzz should actually take a look at the distribution. Lugansk oblast is not rich at all by Ukrainian standards. And Donetsk oblast is only one of 5 rich ones. The thing about Donbass is not that it's so rich, it's just very densely populated (by Ukrainian standrards), so they have high GDP total compared to others. Good point cheerio. The wiki article is still quite informative to show that most of Ukraine's GDP comes from the center/east. I assume that Western Ukraine is almost all agriculture while the center/east has more industry/mining? Another link showing salary/region: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Average_monthly_salary_in_Ukraine,_FY2013.jpg edit: I heard that Yanukovych was very "good" for his region of Donetsk so that could influence why it stood out so much? I'd still assume the major reason is the industry/mining in Donetsk region. | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On May 12 2014 07:20 Mc wrote: Good point cheerio. The wiki article is still quite informative to show that most of Ukraine's GDP comes from the center/east. I assume that Western Ukraine is almost all agriculture while the center/east has more industry/mining? Another link showing salary/region: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Average_monthly_salary_in_Ukraine,_FY2013.jpg edit: I heard that Yanukovych was very "good" for his region of Donetsk so that could influence why it stood out so much? I'd still assume the major reason is the industry/mining in Donetsk region. it was because the soviet empire put a lot of their industrial production facilities in eastern ukraine. Also I was not only refering to donetsk and lugansk. I am refering to the entire east because at this moment it is an almost bygone conclusion. lets be realistic. Ukraine army cant do anything. They have separatists in their own country, a police force which is not under their command and they are heavily relying on neo nazis to do their dirty work such as shooting rpgs at a building in a city. im almost certain 3-4 more regions will follow suit. why would anyone stay on a sinking ship? Ukraine is completely bankrupt and russia offers them more wealth and security. I dont support Russia but its time to be realistic where this is heading. | ||
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sgtnoobkilla
Australia249 Posts
Putin to Clarify Stance on Ukraine Referendum After Results Announced – Report MOSCOW, May 12 (RIA Novosti) – Russian President Vladimir Putin will formulate his opinion towards the referendums in two southeastern Ukrainian regions held on Sunday after their official results are made public, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told the Kommersant newspaper. “It is difficult to forecast,” Peskov told the newspaper. Putin had urged pro-federalization activists to put off the referendum to ensure the start of national dialog to resolve the ongoing crisis in the country, but the vote in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions was held as scheduled on Sunday. Asked whether Putin’s position would be affected by this decision to hold the referendum, Peskov said that the Russian president “did not request but gave such a recommendation.” “However, even taking into account the authority of the Russian president, it was difficult to listen to this [advice]. Amid real battle actions being held, citizens were forced to act in line with their own plan and judge from the situation,” Peskov said. ..... Source Guess one statement wasn't enough to convince the separatists... | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6272 Posts
On May 12 2014 07:09 Roman666 wrote: Until Russia has major pipelines to China it has nothing to offer to Chinese. People also tend to forget who is the China's largest trading partner right now. If anyone thinks that current economic relations between USA and China could be unmade on a whim, is sadly mistaken. Russia has more resources than oil and gas and they could open up some industries for Chinese companies. It'll come at the cost of more Chinese influence in Russia though. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On May 12 2014 06:57 Xiphos wrote: Russia is seeking help from China for collaboration and is trying to rely less on the "west". And I'm sure China welcomes this as long as it means a lower gas price on the proposed pipeline. They've been haggling over it for years but given this newfound spirit of cooperation and friendship I expect a specific price will be agreed soon. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On May 12 2014 19:54 Cheerio wrote: The head of Mariupol police, Valeriy Androschuk, who was supposed to be hanged, is very much alive, and in fact was already released, according to Avakov. The details are not disclosed but it's supposed that a pretty big ransom was payed. At this point any information regarding eastern Ukraine may as well be ignored. What the hell is anyone supposed to believe? And yes, i am confused. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On May 12 2014 20:11 lolfail9001 wrote: At this point any information regarding eastern Ukraine may as well be ignored. What the hell is anyone supposed to believe? And yes, i am confused. Earlier information was published by separatists and basically all media referenced them as the source. So don't believe separatists? On May 11 2014 22:27 Ghanburighan wrote: *** Regarding Mariupol's chief of police being found dead earlier: | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On May 12 2014 19:28 sekritzzz wrote: it was because the soviet empire put a lot of their industrial production facilities in eastern ukraine. Also I was not only refering to donetsk and lugansk. I am refering to the entire east because at this moment it is an almost bygone conclusion. lets be realistic. Ukraine army cant do anything. They have separatists in their own country, a police force which is not under their command and they are heavily relying on neo nazis to do their dirty work such as shooting rpgs at a building in a city. im almost certain 3-4 more regions will follow suit. why would anyone stay on a sinking ship? Ukraine is completely bankrupt and russia offers them more wealth and security. I dont support Russia but its time to be realistic where this is heading. patriotism maybe? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22209 Posts
How is Russia offering them wealth and security for the future when every former USSR state that turned to the west instead of the east is prospering more then those who went the other way? | ||
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
On May 12 2014 21:10 Gorsameth wrote: How is Russia offering them wealth and security for the future when every former USSR state that turned to the west instead of the east is prospering more then those who went the other way? you watch/read too much propaganda | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On May 12 2014 21:10 Gorsameth wrote: How is Russia offering them wealth and security for the future when every former USSR state that turned to the west instead of the east is prospering more then those who went the other way? why are you asking me? Im not agreeing with him. On topic. Russian oppositional news channel Dojd ("Rain") published an interview of a previously captured and already released russian journalist Pavel Kanygin. http://tvrain.ru/articles/menja_doprashivali_razdeli_i_bili_zhurnalist_novoj_kanygin_vyshel_na_svjaz_s_dozhdem_srazu_posle_osvobozhdenija-368243/ Text version available here http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/05/12/7025100/ In short he and his colleague from Germany were captured by separatists. They got beat up, interrogated, robbed. Separatists blamed them that they were CIA agents and intended to demand ransom but then changed their minds and when he was unconscious, returned him to his hotel. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
*** *** EU for sale: *** Debunked: *** Interesting for speculation, `polycentric' is entirely new and seems to carry some weird ideology where states have areas of interest in their region where they can decide which laws apply. But anybody's interpretation is as good as mine at this point. *** Humour: Remember when I wrote that the people working the Russian MFA aren't that well educated, so they tend to take criticisms pointed at them and try to use them against the West without any real thought put into it. Well, check these out: *** *** | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
Russia said on Monday it respected the outcome of a referendum on self-rule in two east Ukrainian regions and that the results should be implemented peacefully. reuters Under normal circumstances i'd say "they can't be serious", it's not even funny anymore. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
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Mc
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