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On March 04 2014 20:52 Plexa wrote: Main points from Putin's address from 50 mins ago Pretty expected imo. This is the truly striking aspect of the speech. Russia would not accept the result of the upcoming elections. P.S. Thank you, Plexa, for the summary! | ||
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
On March 04 2014 21:02 phagga wrote: Where do you have that from? I haven't heard about that yet. they wanted to do it, but according to this: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/krim-krise-ukraine-verzichtet-auf-umstrittenes-sprachengesetz-12826788.html they backed off. the source is german but it's something i guess. | ||
zatic
Zurich15328 Posts
Very good analysis of the past few days. | ||
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kukarachaa
United States284 Posts
On March 04 2014 21:02 phagga wrote: Where do you have that from? I haven't heard about that yet. One the first things that Rada voted on and it passed was removing Russian as one of the official languages of Ukraine. In response to that there were riots and protests in the Eastern Ukraine. PM needed to sign of on the Rada's decision to make it legitimate, once riots started, he refused to sign it. That's what happened as far as I understand. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 04 2014 20:55 Undead1993 wrote: i think the second point is kind of unexpected, i mean they even allowed him to do a press conference in rostov (russia) where he declares he is the president of the ukraine. but ye most of the speech is nothing new. Yanukovich on press-conference was even worse than UA ambassador yesterday in UN. Even Medveded said that Yanukovich has no authority and his political career is dead over. On March 04 2014 21:02 phagga wrote: Where do you have that from? I haven't heard about that yet. They got this law instantly after Yanukovich ran from country. Still almost everyone speaks Russian. On March 04 2014 21:07 kukarachaa wrote: One the first things that Rada voted on and it passed was removing Russian as one of the official languages of Ukraine. In response to that there were riots and protests in the Eastern Ukraine. PM needed to sign of on the Rada's decision to make it legitimate, once riots started, he refused to sign it. That's what happened as far as I understand. It wasn't official language, it was regional. A bit different stuff. But still, without legitimate president they can't do anything. | ||
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kukarachaa
United States284 Posts
On March 04 2014 21:05 Ghanburighan wrote: This is the truly striking aspect of the speech. Russia would not accept the result of the upcoming elections. P.S. Thank you, Plexa, for the summary! In his speech Putin stressed many times, on the importance of the upcoming elections. To give East some peace of mind and Ukraine government some legitimacy. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On March 04 2014 21:06 zatic wrote: http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2014/03/02/why-obama-shouldnt-fall-for-putins-ukrainian-folly/ideas/nexus/ Very good analysis of the past few days. Wow, I was skeptical, but it is actually balanced and pretty unbiased analysis. Probably the only one I read in last few days. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9118 Posts
On March 04 2014 20:44 plgElwood wrote: People on Maidan DO NOT represent Ukraine. Not in Russian view or in terms of Western-democracy. EU (and basicly all Nato countries) jumped to the conclusion "They are protesting, and yanukovic seems evil ergo the Maidan-Movement has to be the democratic one that we like and support". That was horribly wrong and just to please their own citizen views. These fucking idiots. If 10.000 people rally to Pen Ave 1600 and demand Obama, Government, parlament, senat removed and claim their own President and Represantatives are now the legit Government of the US, how would you act? Thats basicly what happend in Ukraine. They removed yanukovich, but had NO RIGHT to do so. They should have taken the Agreement, with presidential rights removed back to state of 2004, elections in december 2014. But no, they acted like smartasses. Voted for themselves, and got to power with no democratic election. Even if they seem "decent" they are not legit. First thing they do, forbid people to use russian as official language, not minding the russianspeakers in Ukraine, not minding 30% of some east regions ARE FUCKING RUSSIANS. Now Putin has a invitation to claim every part of ukraine back, he just has to sent some guys with baseballbats and helmets to the local-governmental buildings, let them claim "we want to be russian" and next thing they see is a line of T90 Tanks "defending the people". Awesome job Maidainians and EU-ForeignMinisters ! Neither side gives a crap about the Ukranian people or legitimacy, both Russia and EU & US simply want a Ukranian government pliable to their interests. Closing their eyes when legality is broken in their favor and yelling bloody murder when legality is broken in their opposition's favor, and this has been the situation for long before the current topic. Two hypocrites claiming to be the sole one playing by the rules, its a theatre of the grotesque. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On March 04 2014 21:11 kukarachaa wrote: In his speech Putin stressed many times, on the importance of the upcoming elections. To give East some peace of mind and Ukraine government some legitimacy. "while terror continues" seems flexible enough for Russia to not consider a newly elected government legitimate if they choose not to. On March 04 2014 21:15 Dan HH wrote: Neither side gives a crap about the Ukranian people or legitimacy, both Russia and EU & US simply want a Ukranian government pliable to their interests. Closing their eyes when legality is broken in their favor and yelling bloody murder when legality is broken in their opposition's favor, and this has been the situation for long before the current topic. Two hypocrites claiming to be the sole one playing by the rules, its a theatre of the grotesque. Bolded part seems more or less correct. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
So basically they can't use them because noone accepted it. | ||
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On March 04 2014 20:21 zeo wrote: Yanukovych was impeached by an illegitimate government, a decision made at gunpoint is hardly legitimate. He was not impeached by a government... Governments don't impeach presidents. Only parliaments do. At least get the things right, OK ? The ukranian parliament is legitimate, there is no reason to believe otherwise. The parliament impeached Yanukovich and he is no longer president. There are new elections soon and if he wants Yanukovich can run for president again. Putin is talking bullshit. | ||
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Saihv
Finland54 Posts
From: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/04/ukraine-crisis-shots-fired-crimea-airbase So if a firefight would errupt between sieged ukrainians and the "nonrussian" troops sieging them. Russia would then use its right to militarily intervene because crimean russians are opressed by nazis? | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4728 Posts
On March 04 2014 21:15 Dan HH wrote: Neither side gives a crap about the Ukranian people or legitimacy, both Russia and EU & US simply want a Ukranian government pliable to their interests. Closing their eyes when legality is broken in their favor and yelling bloody murder when legality is broken in their opposition's favor, and this has been the situation for long before the current topic. Two hypocrites claiming to be the sole one playing by the rules, its a theatre of the grotesque. Thats BS! There were many spontaneous aid gatherings held along Poland. Ukrainians wounded in clashes and protests are being treated in polish hospitals. We do CARE! | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6209 Posts
On March 04 2014 21:19 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: And btw do you know that Budapest Memorandum basically wasn't accepted by UK, US and Russian governments? So basically they can't use them because noone accepted it. Can you post a source since this is the first time I'm hearing it. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 04 2014 21:34 RvB wrote: Can you post a source since this is the first time I'm hearing it. http://www.km.ru/v-rossii/2014/03/01/mezhdunarodnaya-politika/733609-pochemu-ne-byl-ratifitsirovan-budapeshtskii-memo Translate it if you want. | ||
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